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Republicans are detached from America

  • CMXI said...

    "In America, if you are willing to work, then the opportunity for more is there for you."

    Wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

    I have to quote this again. I am amazed that something thinks this is wrong.

    xxmgobluexx

  • ReasonableDoubt said...

    The problem with the republicans is not that 90% of blacks voted for obama. Your problem is that 90% of your voters are white. Play the race card all you want, but those same black people will likely vote for the next dem candidate regardless of race.

    It's awfully hypocritical to be offended by a large percentage of blacks voting so one sided but completely ignore that repub party is only white people.

    Funny, only 60% of white voters in the same state voted for Romney. You missed the point, and only whites are Republicans? Mr. Cain missed that memo.

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  • dpfenny said...

    Many illegals have no desire to become citizens. They want to work, make money for their families and return home. The US takes in approx 1 million immigrants every year. Those that want to stay could get in line like everyone else. We do need a guest worker program for the illegals though.

    So much this. It is craxy how money is sent back to Mexico year after year.

    xxmgobluexx

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Holy crap, you really think people it is that difficult for people work their way up. As I have stated many times, it isn't just about work, it is personal choices along the way. Ones that may drag someone down.

    People in poverty can work themself out of poverty. Here is something we agree on, it is hard to work yourself out of the situation. Shocking, I know. It takes hard work, effort, perseverance... To get yourself out of that situation, but it can be done.

    You give those don't work to much credit, and don't give enough credit to those that work themself up the food chain.

    No no all wrong. It is clearly the duty of those who worked their asses off to feel sorry for people too lazy to do the same. /sarcasm.

    The only people I feel sorry for are people ignorant enough to share such beliefs.

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Holy crap, you really think people it is that difficult for people work their way up. As I have stated many times, it isn't just about work, it is personal choices along the way. Ones that may drag someone down.

    People in poverty can work themself out of poverty. Here is something we agree on, it is hard to work yourself out of the situation. Shocking, I know. It takes hard work, effort, perseverance... To get yourself out of that situation, but it can be done.

    You give those don't work to much credit, and don't give enough credit to those that work themself up the food chain.

    What you have stated is middle class ideology. Obviously, you are not the child of a 17 year old uneducated drug addicted mother that birthed you from the seed of a murdered drug dealer.

    Ego Trip

  • CMXI said...

    I would LOVE for you to give hard evidence as to how that influx of Hispanics will cause welfare and the costs of Obamacare to go "through the roof." Seriously. If you're going to make assertions like that, you should be able to back it up.

    As a matter of fact, you say "do the math." Why don't you do it for me? Use this math to prove your point.

    The math is done

    Www.census.gov

    I get get it - you're a Dem fanboy like: IPhone Fanboy, Droid Fanboy, Mac/PC fanboy - statistics and common logic are your kryptonite so you lock it on a lead box and act like its not there......

    Obama had 11% more of the women vote, 90% of the black vote, 80% of the Hispanic vote and 100% of the Muslim American vote. He played the sheep herder and marched his sheep away from the economic issues, away from the costs of Obamacare and away from the growing unemployment rate - he marched all you sheep to the fresh pile of oats held in the bucket of free hand outs and meaningless social issues.

    I applaud how he manipulated all of the educated and non educated dems

    Leppycole

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    I have to quote this again. I am amazed that something thinks this is wrong.

    I started working straight out of high school for a rebar manufacturer. Started in the shop bending rebar and worked my way into an office job. By 22 I was the top project Manager the company had. By busting my ass im the youngest guy that had ever made it to P.M. in the company's existence.

    Background so you don't think im some snobby rich kid. My father was a drug addict and my mother was a single mom working at a nursing home making $11 an hour.

    So yes I agree with this statement if you are willing to work hard you will get somewhere in life.. your road may be rougher than other but you will gain something.

    This post was edited by vtfan_90 on 11/7/2012 at 2:24 PM

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  • vtfan_90 said...

    The Gov't is to blame partially. They make it way to easy: like unemployment you are supposed to apply for 2 jobs a week or whatever the requirement is. All you have to do is apply to places you are not qualified for and you will never get a job. Nobody ever checks up on that.

    The Gov't just hands out money left and right to people and have no idea where the money ends up. Pathetic really pisses me off thinking about it.

    Here is a personal experience of mine, that must be rare and never happen anywhere else. My wife has a nurse that applies for a job every week. List her name as Pocahontas. List Disney movies as references.

    She does her minimum, to get her minimun.

    xxmgobluexx

  • CMXI said...

    It's really easy to say that social issues don't matter when those social issues don't affect you.

    I personally don't give two fucks if Cindy the crackwhore decides she wants to abort mission. What I have a problem with is people thinking its okay for the government to pay for that abortion. What part of spending being out of control is less important than a woman not being able to afford murdering her child.

    Cut the spending, get the economy under control, avoid becoming China's bitch... THEN worry about abortions and such. Priorities are kind of a big deal.

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Here is a personal experience of mine, that must be rare and never happen anywhere else. My wife has a nurse that applies for a job every week. List her name as Pocahontas. List Disney movies as references.

    She does her minimum, to get her minimun.

    lol

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  • Ego Trip said...

    What you have stated is middle class ideology. Obviously, you are not the child of a 17 year old uneducated drug addicted mother that birthed you from the seed of a murdered drug dealer.

    If anything that should make you strive to better yourself so that if/when you decide to reproduce your offspring aren't in the same situation.

    Why should I feel bad for someone else's poor decisions.

    A crack head mother would make me work my ass off to get away from that life.

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Here is a personal experience of mine, that must be rare and never happen anywhere else. My wife has a nurse that applies for a job every week. List her name as Pocahontas. List Disney movies as references.

    She does her minimum, to get her minimun.

    Let me guess, she also owns an iPhone 5 and drives a Mercedes?

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  • azvalleybuckeye said...

    If anything that should make you strive to better yourself so that if/when you decide to reproduce your offspring aren't in the same situation.

    Why should I feel bad for someone else's poor decisions.

    A crack head mother would make me work my ass off to get away from that life.

    How is that child going to get away from that life though? How is that child going to make informed decisions and choices to better himself if he doesn't have the support to do so?

    CliftonHokie09

  • blue2468 said...

    Let me guess, she also owns an iPhone 5 and drives a Mercedes?

    I'll ask my wife if she is present when the application is dropped off and give you an update if she is.

    The phone might be tricky, but I will see what I can do.

    xxmgobluexx

  • CliftonHokie09 said...

    How is that child going to get away from that life though? How is that child going to make informed decisions and choices to better himself if he doesn't have the support to do so?

    Did you not just say you were in a similar situation and turned out okay?

    I had great parents. Both made 6 figures. Didnt help me.

    I got in a lot of trouble as a juvenile, ended up having to drop out of high school. I didnt ask for anyone's help, I worked and still work my ass off everyday.

    I'm now 24, ops/marketing mgr for a global sat comms company. I own my own house and a BMW M5. Not because someone felt sorry for me, no hand outs here.

    Work ethic, its sadly a missing component in today's society.

    Edit: nvm I see that was someone else, either way. Its a decision you have to make. You either want to live a better life and do something about it, or sit back and go to waste. That's your decision, giving hand outs is only clouding judgement on said decision.

    This post was edited by azvalleybuckeye on 11/7/2012 at 2:44 PM

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  • CliftonHokie09 said...

    How is that child going to get away from that life though? How is that child going to make informed decisions and choices to better himself if he doesn't have the support to do so?

    A free hand-out isn't the way to go. If it isn't earned, it isn't appreciated.

    I doubt Dems will agree with that way of thinking, but I believe it, and I have seen it played out.

    xxmgobluexx

  • vtfan_90 said...

    I started working straight out of high school for a rebar manufacturer. Started in the shop bending rebar and worked my way into an office job. By 22 I was the top project Manager the company had. By busting my ass im the youngest guy that had ever made it to P.M. in the company's existence.

    Background so you don't think im some snobby rich kid. My father was a drug addict and my mother was a single mom working at a nursing home making $11 an hour.

    So yes I agree with this statement if you are willing to work hard you will get somewhere in life.. your road may be rougher than other but you will gain something.

    The part that you fail to realize is that the economy was thriving by the dollars of the middle class which alloted the rebar manufacturer the funds to give you the rebar bending job you started with. Removing tax cuts and cutting spending cuts into the middle class which cuts bar bending jobs like the one you started with.

    Ego Trip

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    For sure. The opportunity is still there for anyone willing to work for it.

    And it isn't just work for it. I worked with plenty of guys that busted their balls, only to piss away their earnings in a weekend at the bar in Georgia while their wife struggles to pay the bills back home in Michigan. Those guys disgusted me.

    Others worked hard all day, went back to the motel and saved their money so that they had more out of life than a memory and an itching dick from a night at bar.

    How far do you think those people can go through life working like that? Having a work ethic is great, but there are other factors that are going to prevent those in the lower class from significantly improving their lives in employment namely lack of education and training. While the world needs ditch diggers, there isn't a whole lot of career growth as a ditch digger. Most hourly jobs are like that, which limits their ability to work their way through a field. I mean a janitor at a hospital isn't going to become a doctor because they work at a hospital. Why not provide incentives for them so they can take night classes at the community college. Incentives like lower taxes, affordable education through assisted loans, etc. If you're a higher income individual, shouldn't you take pride that your taxes are helping your fellow Americans?

    CliftonHokie09

  • azvalleybuckeye said...

    Did you not just say you were in a similar situation and turned out okay?

    I had great parents. Both made 6 figures. Didnt help me.

    I got in a lot of trouble as a juvenile, ended up having to drop out of high school. I didnt ask for anyone's help, I worked and still work my ass off everyday.

    I'm now 24, ops/marketing mgr for a global sat comms company. I own my own house and a BMW M5. Not because someone felt sorry for me, no hand outs here.

    Work ethic, its sadly a missing component in today's society.

    Edit: nvm I see that was someone else, either way. Its a decision you have to make. You either want to live a better life and do something about it, or sit back and go to waste. That's your decision, giving hand outs is only clouding judgement on said decision.

    You didn't need help because you had the financial advantages already in place. You just chose to waste them then. (Not trying to characterize you, but the example you have given). I'm sure your parents helped you throughout your maturation. But if parents aren't there to help a child out, are we supposed to let that child fend for himself?

    CliftonHokie09

  • CliftonHokie09 said...

    How far do you think those people can go through life working like that? Having a work ethic is great, but there are other factors that are going to prevent those in the lower class from significantly improving their lives in employment namely lack of education and training. While the world needs ditch diggers, there isn't a whole lot of career growth as a ditch digger. Most hourly jobs are like that, which limits their ability to work their way through a field. I mean a janitor at a hospital isn't going to become a doctor because they work at a hospital. Why not provide incentives for them so they can take night classes at the community college. Incentives like lower taxes, affordable education through assisted loans, etc. If you're a higher income individual, shouldn't you take pride that your taxes are helping your fellow Americans?

    Those are good ideas but with out spending already our of control now is not the time to implement them.

    We are shit broke and need to get back to only the basics.

    This post was edited by azvalleybuckeye on 11/7/2012 at 2:52 PM

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  • vtfan_90 said...

    I started working straight out of high school for a rebar manufacturer. Started in the shop bending rebar and worked my way into an office job. By 22 I was the top project Manager the company had. By busting my ass im the youngest guy that had ever made it to P.M. in the company's existence.

    Background so you don't think im some snobby rich kid. My father was a drug addict and my mother was a single mom working at a nursing home making $11 an hour.

    So yes I agree with this statement if you are willing to work hard you will get somewhere in life.. your road may be rougher than other but you will gain something.

    Good for you. America was built by hardworkers like you that wanted more. My dad talks about being 10 years old and seeing his dad cheat someone. He made a decision that day to never be that type of man.

    I had my first child in HS. Went right to work and married the beautiful young lady. I could have walked away from her and left her on her own, like so many POS do. 17 years and 5 kids now, I am the luckiest man alive.

    xxmgobluexx

  • Leppycole said...

    The math is done

    Www.census.gov

    I get get it - you're a Dem fanboy like: IPhone Fanboy, Droid Fanboy, Mac/PC fanboy - statistics and common logic are your kryptonite so you lock it on a lead box and act like its not there......

    Obama had 11% more of the women vote, 90% of the black vote, 80% of the Hispanic vote and 100% of the Muslim American vote. He played the sheep herder and marched his sheep away from the economic issues, away from the costs of Obamacare and away from the growing unemployment rate - he marched all you sheep to the fresh pile of oats held in the bucket of free hand outs and meaningless social issues.

    I applaud how he manipulated all of the educated and non educated dems

    WTF is the "Muslim American" vote? Is it like the Buddhist-American vote, coming from the illegal Buddhist immigrants of Buddhakistan?

    Also, the idea you're conveying that women, blacks, Hispanics, and Muslims are easier to sway to the "bucket of handouts" doesn't help your point that you're not racist, fwiw.

    And all these "Dem fanboys" that don't do math.... I'll just leave this here.

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    I'll ask my wife if she is present when the application is dropped off and give you an update if she is.

    The phone might be tricky, but I will see what I can do.

    Ok, she probably might have her Mercedes in the shop though and might only be driving her 2013 Camaro around for now.

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Good for you. America was built by hardworkers like you that wanted more.

    America was built by its fair share of cheaters and liars, too. Let's not kid ourselves.

    This post was edited by sf2k4 on 11/7/2012 at 2:54 PM

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    A free hand-out isn't the way to go. If it isn't earned, it isn't appreciated.

    I doubt Dems will agree with that way of thinking, but I believe it, and I have seen it played out.

    Those who receive handouts who do not need are not going to appreciate it. There are definitely those people that exploit the system. But those that have nothing and need, do appreciate the handouts and will use it to help themselves out. The problems that are persistent in poverty are very cyclical and systematic that prevent people from making informed choices to move outside of poverty. I feel like we all need to watch the Wire to see out these problems manifest from early ages to adulthood.

    CliftonHokie09