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Romney picked Paul Ryan

  • IvoryTusk said...

    Fact, Obama budget proposal in 2012 was a mockery and a horrible idea. The republicans called him on it, and thus sent his proposed budget to the house to be voted upon. Amazingly the vote was 414-0. Not one democrat would even vote for his budget, because they knew it was a sham, and that if they voted for it they would have no chance of ever getting re-elected. This was this year people, and yet fools still think Obama has a plan to take America out of the recession. It's like the blind leading the blind.

    The economy is in recession?

    ErnieMcCracken ●

  • El Guapo said...

    Did you read that?

    Uh huh

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  • Fact the republicans control the house for 2012. Fact the House hadn't passed a democrate budget to be passed to the house in the 3 years prior when it was controlled by Democrats. The only budget that made that has been successfully passed by the House was Ryan's budget, that was then defeated by the democratically controlled senate. So basically in 4 years, we haven't had the Democrats propose and pass anything of note. They wouldn't even vote on Obama's budget, instead saying they would make a new budget based off of his, which then they didn't pass as well.

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  • IvoryTusk said...

    Fact, Obama budget proposal in 2012 was a mockery and a horrible idea. The republicans called him on it, and thus sent his proposed budget to the house to be voted upon. Amazingly the vote was 414-0. Not one democrat would even vote for his budget, because they knew it was a sham, and that if they voted for it they would have no chance of ever getting re-elected. This was this year people, and yet fools still think Obama has a plan to take America out of the recession. It's like the blind leading the blind.

    Agree on everything except a) we aren't in a recession and b) it's a proposal from the president. Congress shouldnt need a proposal from the damn president.

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    BamaLivesFootba ●

  • Unlike the Democrats who voted for a junior senator who never had introduced any major bills to Congress, with no business experience. Ohhh wait that was Obama, but accoding to Democrats he is GOD. Funny how experience only matters when it's a Republican candidate but that no Democrat wants to vet Obama.

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  • FL Buckeye said...

    I'm not sure Rubio wanted on the ticket. I think Rubio is planning a 2016 run, and didn't want to be a part of what looks like a losing ticket right now

    That's my thinking as well. If Ryan were smart he would've dome the same. A Ryan-Rubio ticket in 2016 would be awesome.

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  • We aren't in a recession? Really or is this a depression.? Unemployment is at the longest streak it's ever been in history of a high percentage. Also no the unemployment number is not 8%. It's actually much higher but thanks to creative math we don't count people in unemployment who have given up ever looking for jobs and feel the government should just take care of them in a welfare state.

    This post was edited by IvoryTusk on 8/11/2012 at 10:43 AM

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  • IvoryTusk said...

    Fact the republicans control the house for 2012. Fact the House hadn't passed a democrate budget to be passed to the house in the 3 years prior when it was controlled by Democrats. The only budget that made that has been successfully passed by the House was Ryan's budget, that was then defeated by the democratically controlled senate. So basically in 4 years, we haven't had the Democrats propose and pass anything of note. They wouldn't even vote on Obama's budget, instead saying they would make a new budget based off of his, which then they didn't pass as well.

    Budget resolutions are not what you think they are.

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    BamaLivesFootba ●

  • IvoryTusk said...

    We aren't in a recession? Really or is this a depression.? Unemployment is at the longest streak it's ever been in history of a high percentage. Also no the unemployment number is not 8%. It's actually much higher but thanks to creative math we don't count people in unemployment who have given up ever looking for jobs and feel the government should just take care of them in a welfare state.

    I can understand being salty with Mitt Romney being the standard bearer for the Republican party but we in neither a recession or depression.

    ErnieMcCracken ●

  • IvoryTusk said...

    We aren't in a recession? Really or is this a depression.? Unemployment is at the longest streak it's ever been in history of a high percentage. Also no the unemployment number is not 8%. It's actually much higher but thanks to creative math we don't count people in unemployment who have given up ever looking for jobs and feel the government should just take care of them in a welfare state.

    Well there isn't a downturn in economic indicators(recession) and it isn't sustained(depression).

    You need to read up on your economic history because this is what a giant bubble bust looks like (see Japan's Lost Decade).

    High unemployment, high debt with sluggish growth (relative to historical trends).

    By the way, if it wasn't for the social safety net, post-2008 would have made 1930s look like a damn picnic.

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    BamaLivesFootba ●

  • IvoryTusk said...

    Unlike the Democrats who voted for a junior senator who never had introduced any major bills to Congress, with no business experience. Ohhh wait that was Obama, but accoding to Democrats he is GOD. Funny how experience only matters when it's a Republican candidate but that no Democrat wants to vet Obama.

    I'm confused why business experience is a ore-requisite for presidential office. We've had teachers,lawyers,doctors,farmers,generals etc. be president. Hell some of our worst presidents have been "businessmen". The government isn't a business.

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    BamaLivesFootba ●

  • Can we discuss how this pick will affect this election?

    I think obviously Obama will try and show Ryan as someone who wants to destroy Medicare, which will then be countered by Ryan saying Obama just cut Medicare to pay for Obamacare. If this works for the R's, it could switch the storyline of this election to the budget and spending which would obviously play well for the R's

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    Sir Mix A Lot ●

  • IvoryTusk said...

    We aren't in a recession? Really or is this a depression.? Unemployment is at the longest streak it's ever been in history of a high percentage. Also no the unemployment number is not 8%. It's actually much higher but thanks to creative math we don't count people in unemployment who have given up ever looking for jobs and feel the government should just take care of them in a welfare state.

    We aren't in a recession, and haven't been for some time.

    A recession is when the economy is getting worse. You know, receding. Recession. Words. Learn 'em, love 'em.

    The economy is getting better. The problem is it's not getting better fast enough.

    RabbitSC

  • FL Buckeye said...

    Can we discuss how this pick will affect this election?

    I think obviously Obama will try and show Ryan as someone who wants to destroy Medicare, which will then be countered by Ryan saying Obama just cut Medicare to pay for Obamacare. If this works for the R's, it could switch the storyline of this election to the budget and spending which would obviously play well for the R's

    Medicare ads will be running NON-STOP in Florida. To me, that's Obama's for sure.

    I don't think this pick is as important as 3rd quarter's economic indicators,though.

    July's numbers were ok and the recent trade balance and weekly unemployment app numbers were better, but food and gas prices seem to hindering consumer spending. I'm still wondering what would have been if Stimulus included housing help and reform. That was/is/and will be the most important aspect of economic recovery (yet hasn't been touched essentially).

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  • RabbitSC said...

    We aren't in a recession, and haven't been for some time.

    A recession is when the economy is getting worse. You know, receding. Recession. Words. Learn 'em, love 'em.

    The economy is getting better. The problem is it's not getting better fast enough.

    We are "growing" at a rate that can't even keep up with population growth, let alone take people off the unemployment rolls. This is being accomplished with uprecedented Fed accomodations, and with massive deficit spending. Essentially we have thrown everything but the kitchen sink to spark the economy and have accomplished 1.5% GDP growth. We need to be consistently at 3% to make any progress in this economy.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Medicare ads will be running NON-STOP in Florida. To me, that's Obama's for sure.

    I don't think this pick is as important as 3rd quarter's economic indicators,though.

    July's numbers were ok and the recent trade balance and weekly unemployment app numbers were better, but food and gas prices seem to hindering consumer spending. I'm still wondering what would have been if Stimulus included housing help and reform. That was/is/and will be the most important aspect of economic recovery (yet hasn't been touched essentially).

    I think people have already made up their mind of what they think of the economy. Europe isn't falling apart rapidly, so I don't see anything big enough to jolt the electorate.

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  • FL Buckeye said...

    We are "growing" at a rate that can't even keep up with population growth, let alone take people off the unemployment rolls. This is being accomplished with uprecedented Fed accomodations, and with massive deficit spending. Essentially we have thrown everything but the kitchen sink to spark the economy and have accomplished 1.5% GDP growth. We need to be consistently at 3% to make any progress in this economy.

    3.0% in 2010, 1.7% in 2011,~2.2% so far in 2012

    Edit: from -1.9% in 2008 and -3.5% in 2009; from

    This post was edited by BamaLivesFootba on 8/11/2012 at 11:24 AM

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  • FL Buckeye said...

    We are "growing" at a rate that can't even keep up with population growth, let alone take people off the unemployment rolls. This is being accomplished with uprecedented Fed accomodations, and with massive deficit spending. Essentially we have thrown everything but the kitchen sink to spark the economy and have accomplished 1.5% GDP growth. We need to be consistently at 3% to make any progress in this economy.

    ...did I say anything that disagreed with that?

    1.5% is ahead of population growth, although it's certainly not close to enough.

    RabbitSC

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    3.0% in 2010, 1.7% in 2011,~2.2% so far in 2012

    Which off the base that we were coming from is anemic growth. Also, I have seen the 2012 projections being brought in due to Europe.

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  • RabbitSC said...

    ...did I say anything that disagreed with that?

    1.5% is ahead of population growth, although it's certainly not close to enough.

    I haven't looked in depth, but Steve Liesman said we need to be around 2% to get ahead of population growth and start to hire unemployed.

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    Sir Mix A Lot ●

  • Here is what happened on jobs front.

    We hit a point where stimulus worked, but because consumers weren't spending and businesses are sitting on cash, we hit stagnation.

    If we helped housing, I imagine it would have been much different.

    Moreover, politics has done it's damage as well.

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    BamaLivesFootba ●

  • Nm

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  • FL Buckeye said...

    Which off the base that we were coming from is anemic growth. Also, I have seen the 2012 projections being brought in due to Europe.

    But it's not <1.5%, which is bad.

    This wasn't a normal downturn that would have corrected in an even manner. This past recession was a unique monster.

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    BamaLivesFootba ●

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Nm

    I have no clue where you found that chart but unemployment was at 4-5% for most of his presedincy. I'm older than you, and can tell you it was impossible to hire and retain people from 2004-2006 because jobs were so readily available people would just walk away from a job because they could be employed tommorrow by someone else.

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    Sir Mix A Lot ●

  • FL Buckeye said...

    I haven't looked in depth, but Steve Liesman said we need to be around 2% to get ahead of population growth and start to hire unemployed.

    Population growth is between 0.86% and 0.97% depending on what study you prefer (0.96% is U.S. government estimate).

    But yes, 2%+ is a fair mark for recovery that's fast enough to feel.

    RabbitSC

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