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SEC criticism

  • joetheogre said...

    Lets compare the top half of each conference.

    Bama 12-1
    UGA 12-1
    UF 11-2
    USC 11-2
    A&M 10-2
    LSU 10-3
    Vandy 9-4

    Kansas State 11-1
    Oklahoma 10-2
    Texas 9-4
    Oklahoma St 8-5
    Baylor 8-5
    Texas Tech 8-5

    Which looks stronger

    Yeah and 1 team that only won 1 SEC game this year had 3 1st round draft picks

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  • GoOrangeVFL said...

    Yeah and 1 team that only won 1 SEC game this year had 3 1st round draft picks

    Haters gonna hate man.

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  • Did every one of those teams play one another this year? The Big 12 teams did. Guess what their records would have been if they played one another instead of your OOC creampuffs.

    Bama 12-1
    UGA 12-1
    UF 11-2
    USC 11-2
    A&M 10-2
    LSU 10-3
    Vandy 9-4

    VaHorn

  • VaHorn said...

    Did every one of those teams play one another this year? The Big 12 teams did. Guess what their records would have been if they played one another instead of your OOC creampuffs.

    Bama 12-1
    UGA 12-1
    UF 11-2
    USC 11-2
    A&M 10-2
    LSU 10-3
    Vandy 9-4

    You say that like the Big XII has been playing a nine game conference schedule for years? lol

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  • I find it funny that Coattail Country is already making excuses as to why their conference is highly overrated! No need, we see it, Team sec is human after all! Bama is stout, but the rest of your teams don't impress me anymore than any other conference, this year. Bama played exactly two of those top 6 or 7 listed, and lost one of them. Your arguments contradict, if your conference is so big and bad, why does Bama run through it year after year? You would think that with all that superior competition, the state of Alabama wouldn't be on the verge of hoisting their 4th consecutive crystal ball. That's why it makes it easier to rock YOUR team, instead of 13 others, plus it's homo!

    ScarletCWAY

  • Check that, Bama played 3 on that list if you count the ccg.

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  • Notre Dame wouldn't have gone undefeated in the Big Ten, Pac 12, Big 12, SEC or ACC!! Just the way it is.....benefit of scheduling whoever the hell u want. They played 2 of the bottom half 500 teams(MSU&Purdue) of the Big 10 with one of their middle of the pack teams(Michigan). They played Stanford and USC of the Pac 12. Stanford still hadn't become the team they were at the end of the season and yet still went to OT. USC was aweful. The Big 12 they played Oklahoma, we'll give them that one, it was a tough game! They played zero SEC teams. They played 2 mediocre at best Independents in Navy and BYU. They played a team who struggled to go 500 in the Big East in Pitt and barely beat them. They played a mediocre Miami and 2 garbage teams in BC and Wake of the ACC. Lets face it, the only teams they really should have had a chance to lose to is Oklahoma and Stanford. Thats 2 tough games in 12. Some people will argue Michigan who is way over ranked! The get respect because all of their losses are to good opponents, but bottom line is they were a 4 loss team in reg season. They deserve a little respect but not as much as ND defenders give them! In the end game, ND struggled against alot of teams that they shouldn't have. If the SEC is as good as advertised, BAMA should whip them handily!

    This post was edited by syracuse820 on 1/3/2013 at 1:43 AM

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  • syracuse820 said...

    Notre Dame wouldn't have gone undefeated in the Big Ten, Pac 12, Big 12, SEC or ACC!! Just the way it is.....benefit of scheduling whoever the hell u want

    No offense, but this is pretty dumb. They scheduled 12 BCS teams.

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  • I added to it......you're right, 12 BCS teams and when it was scheduled it may have looked like a difficult schedule, but in reality of this season, it truly wasn't! People look at their schedule like all of those teams were on the top of their game just because of their universities past reputations!

    syracuse820

  • Actually I correct myself and the previous poster, BYU and Navy are independent and not part of a BCS conference. Navy in no way belongs in a BCS conference and plays a mostly mid major schedule and BYU left a mid major to become independent.

    syracuse820

  • SEC grind..... lol

    Nebraska goes 10-2 with Georgia's schedule. Probably would have lost to South Carolina and Florida, although both looked very beatable during bowl season. The rest of the schedule would have been cake. 10-2 maybe 11-1 with Bama's too, with losses to LSU and maybe A&M.

    Vandy goes 5-3 in the SEC grind and they couldn't beat Northwestern.

    The truth is the SEC is the best conference, but the bottom half is garbage and the top half is beatable, the other conferences aren't as far behind as the SEC guys and the polls show.

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  • Would have rather played Alabama's schedule than the schedule WVU play this year. No breaks, you play EVERYBODY in the conference. Alabama didn't play UGA, UF or USC. Only counting regular season, of course. Play LSU and A&M and then what? While the SEC might be the best conference, its not the toughest grind for a lot of teams in that conference since they only play about 60% of the conference.

    I don't blame that on individual schools, I blame it on the conference being too large and watered down. Meanwhile, WVU played a 9 conference game schedule, and 8 of those teams were bowl eligible.

    Conferences are getting too big, and the fans are suffering by missing out on good match ups.

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  • MarineMountie said...

    Would have rather played Alabama's schedule than the schedule WVU play this year. No breaks, you play EVERYBODY in the conference. Alabama didn't play UGA, UF or USC. Only counting regular season, of course. Play LSU and A&M and then what? While the SEC might be the best conference, its not the toughest grind for a lot of teams in that conference since they only play about 60% of the conference.

    I don't blame that on individual schools, I blame it on the conference being too large and watered down. Meanwhile, WVU played a 9 conference game schedule, and 8 of those teams were bowl eligible.

    Conferences are getting too big, and the fans are suffering by missing out on good match ups.

    I agree with that 100%

    I hate that some years Nebraska is going to play Rutgers and Maryland instead of Ohio State or Wisconsin. Although after this year avoiding those 2 doesn't seem like such a bad idea.

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  • GoOrangeVFL said...

    The PAC 12??? They had 2 maybe 3 teams this year that were good. I have respect for the Big 12 and Notre Dame's schedule was a good one in my opinion but the PAC 12?

    PAC-12 has stronger SOS's than the sec on average.

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  • joetheogre said...

    Lets compare the top half of each conference.

    Bama 12-1 UGA 12-1 UF 11-2 USC 11-2 A&M 10-2 LSU 10-3 Vandy 9-4

    Kansas State 11-1 Oklahoma 10-2 Texas 9-4 Oklahoma St 8-5 Baylor 8-5 Texas Tech 8-5

    Which looks stronger

    The major point is that the records are different due to other teams having stronger SOS's than those sec teams.

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  • MarineMountie said...

    Would have rather played Alabama's schedule than the schedule WVU play this year. No breaks, you play EVERYBODY in the conference. Alabama didn't play UGA, UF or USC. Only counting regular season, of course. Play LSU and A&M and then what? While the SEC might be the best conference, its not the toughest grind for a lot of teams in that conference since they only play about 60% of the conference.

    I don't blame that on individual schools, I blame it on the conference being too large and watered down. Meanwhile, WVU played a 9 conference game schedule, and 8 of those teams were bowl eligible.

    Conferences are getting too big, and the fans are suffering by missing out on good match ups.

    I agree, and think it is gonna get much much worse.

    Surferdude

  • If you look at how the SEC schedules things just before "big" games it is quite telling:

    Florida had the month of Nov to study for FSU game (mizzou, lalafayette, and jax st), and earlier in year they had kentucky before lsu and vandy before south car.

    UGA: cupcake city

    South Car actually had a tough 3 wk stretch (UGA, LSU, and UF), but wofford before Clemson. (Cupcake before in state rival is a trademark of SEC).

    LSU and Alabama had the tougher schedules, with USC there too. The rest of them follow the SEC template of cupcakes...a tough game,....many more cupcakes, tough game, cupcake, cupcake and biggest rival game.

    This SEC, as noted by many earlier this season, has 3 good teams and the rest are marginal to bad teams. Of course, the SEC will have good teams and are definitely beatable.

    WRobins

  • MarineMountie said...

    Would have rather played Alabama's schedule than the schedule WVU play this year. No breaks, you play EVERYBODY in the conference. Alabama didn't play UGA, UF or USC. Only counting regular season, of course. Play LSU and A&M and then what? While the SEC might be the best conference, its not the toughest grind for a lot of teams in that conference since they only play about 60% of the conference.

    I don't blame that on individual schools, I blame it on the conference being too large and watered down. Meanwhile, WVU played a 9 conference game schedule, and 8 of those teams were bowl eligible.

    Conferences are getting too big, and the fans are suffering by missing out on good match ups.

    You have to remember, Arkansas was supposed to be a top 10 team this year with an outside shot at the BCS Championship. No one can help that Petrino did what he did, and it destroyed their team this year. Arkansas would have been ranked #8 when they played Bama if they had Petrino. In addition to playing what was "supposed" to be a top 10 team in Arkansas, Alabama played top 10 teams in LSU, Texas A&M, and Georgia, and against preseason top 10 team Michigan. You can only control what's on your schedule and you can't control how your opponent's schedule plays out. And say what you want about Mississippi State, but at the time they were ranked #11 and 7-0. Alabama had to "get up" for them. Then "get up" for LSU. Then "get up" for Texas A&M, all in a row.

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  • Hskr4Life23 said...

    The truth is the SEC is the best conference, but the bottom half is garbage and the top half is beatable, the other conferences aren't as far behind as the SEC guys and the polls show.

    Thats fair and probably what I would say too.

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  • MJRuffalo said...

    Wait, did you just put Miss St as part of your 3 week grind? And really is playing just 3 good teams (of which you did not, only 2)in a row over the course of an entire season considered a grind?

    Miss St was disastrously overranked when you played them, for the simple fact that they were an sec team. They had played nobody coming into the bama game. But since the sec teams always get over-ranked, you are trying to pass them off as part of some grind. Ridiculous.

    M-state would handily beat the Trojans.

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  • Hskr4Life23 said...

    SEC grind..... lol

    Nebraska goes 10-2 with Georgia's schedule. Probably would have lost to South Carolina and Florida, although both looked very beatable during bowl season. The rest of the schedule would have been cake. 10-2 maybe 11-1 with Bama's too, with losses to LSU and maybe A&M.

    Vandy goes 5-3 in the SEC grind and they couldn't beat Northwestern.

    The truth is the SEC is the best conference, but the bottom half is garbage and the top half is beatable, the other conferences aren't as far behind as the SEC guys and the polls show.

    How you going to go 10-2 with Martinez stuck under the bench?

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  • WRobins said...

    If you look at how the SEC schedules things just before "big" games it is quite telling:

    Florida had the month of Nov to study for FSU game (mizzou, lalafayette, and jax st), and earlier in year they had kentucky before lsu and vandy before south car.

    UGA: cupcake city

    South Car actually had a tough 3 wk stretch (UGA, LSU, and UF), but wofford before Clemson. (Cupcake before in state rival is a trademark of SEC).

    LSU and Alabama had the tougher schedules, with USC there too. The rest of them follow the SEC template of cupcakes...a tough game,....many more cupcakes, tough game, cupcake, cupcake and biggest rival game.

    This SEC, as noted by many earlier this season, has 3 good teams and the rest are marginal to bad teams. Of course, the SEC will have good teams and are definitely beatable.

    Clemson played NCST the week before playing us, at home. NCST sucks sideways so spare me the "Carolina played a cupcake" crap. Newsflash, we could play Clemson tomorrow and we'd kick their nuts into their throats.

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  • WRobins said...

    (Cupcake before in state rival is a trademark of SEC).

    Cupcakes in conference is a trademark of the ACC. Some of the posts in this thread are great. SC just finished playing 3 top 10 teams, and then you are going to talk trash to them for playing a cupcake before they play another top 10 Clemson team....great point, they are total pussies for not putting in another hard game in between those 4 top 10 matchups....clap

    Next year we trade out a cupcake for another ACC team. Will that make you happy?

    This post was edited by Stouds1 on 1/3/2013 at 10:03 AM

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  • I'd disagree with the OP to a degree.

    Disclaimer: the SEC is still the best conference, IMO, and I'm not a proponent for a conference. Believe it or not, I root for a team.

    "Maybe 1 easy game." No, there is at least one easy game. As has been pointed out, the SEC schedules cupcakes in the middle of the schedule. I think it's smart scheduling and other conferences should do it too - but at the same time, don't pretend like it makes no difference. Plus, I can see three teams in each division that are not very good.

    Also, I'm seeing a lot of excuses about the bowl games. "Anything can happen." Just own up to the losses. Every time the SEC did well in bowl games, I heard all about how good coaching shows when there's a month to prepare, about how the brutal SEC schedule prepares those teams with rest for the bowl game. How teams couldn't match the physicality because they're not used to playing in the SEC.

    Yes, the schedules are a grind in the SEC and they're tough. But your own conference this year helped dispel the notion that it's beyond what other teams know/experience. Look at Texas A&M. They weren't very good in the Big 12, but went 10-2 in the SEC? Beat the conference champion? Yes, it's a new HC, but he's one from Houston. That's not exactly the SEC.

    In general, I agree with the OP. But I think the SEC schedules are a bit easier than he made them out to be, and I think all those "S-E-C" fanboys need to just man up and take the losses.

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