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STAFFFFFFFF!: IF an LB notches 200 tackles in GA

  • T.E. said...

    I remember the Barners wanting Jake Holland to be rated a 4 star when he was initially rated a 3 star. He was a "tackling machine"... He ended up getting his 4th star. Seems like now that the 3 star rating was maybe a bit generous...

    I remember the bammers crowing about BJ Scott being a 5*, Tyler Love being a 5*, Alonzo Lawrence being pushed to high 4* after committing to them, Philip Sims being the #1 QB in the country, Duron Carter getting qualified (lol!), etc.,

    xT I G E R

  • xT I G E R said...

    I remember the bammers crowing about BJ Scott being a 5*, Tyler Love being a 5*, Alonzo Lawrence being pushed to high 4* after committing to them, Philip Sims being the #1 QB in the country, Duron Carter getting qualified (lol!), etc.,

    See, it works both ways...

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  • T.E. said...

    I'm not an "expert" but I had the good fortune to have had a father-in-law who was the head coach at 2 Div. I schools and an assistant in the pros. He and i watched hundreds of hours of high school and college football film and he taught me a lot about what to look for in players. I watched Holland's "highlight" films and thought 3 star was a pretty fair ranking. Watching him last year, I realized that, unless he has great improvement, he is going to have trouble playing in the SEC. Holland biggest strength (and weakness) is his strength. He was able to "arm tackle" a lot of kids in high school and he apparently got into the habit of depending on that strength to overshadow his lack of lateral speed. This has become very evident in his college play. This has also led to some poor technique that coaching, so far, has not been able to correct. If you go back and look at his time at Auburn, he tends to leave his feet with his head somewhat down when trying to make tackles. This comes from poor/slow footwork and/or lack of lateral quickness. He also is somewhat slow to recognize plays developing which leads to even more slow and unsure footwork. Being slow to see plays developing can USUALLY be improved through coaching. Also, he appeared to be slow recognizing his "keys" in the other teams formations prior to the snap or "eye locking" on one player. Even my Auburn friends with no training in what to look for would tell me "he looks lost out there".This can also USUALLY be improved with coaching. Like I said, a lot of his techniques are from his well above average strength for a high school player. He is/was a good, strong high school player but, that seems to be where his ceiling is. He certainly may improve but, he has a lot too overcome. He needs better coaching than he got last year (and by the way, I think he'll get that with Auburn's coaching staff moves) but he will have to work extra hard to overcome some bad habits as well. Not saying he can't do it but, his lack of natural lateral speed and his past of depending so much on his strength will definitely have to be overcome. Not to mention he needs to spend a lot of time in the film room and get better at situational awareness both before and AS the plays develop. He seems like a good, hardworking kid so I am actually rooting for him (except against Alabama (g))...

    I agree with you but he still has two years to improve. We shall see what happens.

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  • BTW I'm not saying Holland is great or awful. I don't know yet. He's going to have to improve for me to like him. I think his spot is one of our weakest points on our defense right now. Just a lot of people are saying he is awful and same is said about Frazier. Both guys have a lot of time to improve. Once their college careers are up then you can judge them on if they were a four star or three star.

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  • Holland was hurt all year.

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  • kitemac said...

    BTW I'm not saying Holland is great or awful. I don't know yet. He's going to have to improve for me to like him. I think his spot is one of our weakest points on our defense right now. Just a lot of people are saying he is awful and same is said about Frazier. Both guys have a lot of time to improve. Once their college careers are up then you can judge them on if they were a four star or three star.

    I don't think Holland is "awful" either. I'm just pointing out that all these "star" rankings have flaws BUT for the most part are pretty good. The staff here has pretty good "eyes for talent"... From what little I've watched of Trey Johnson's highlights (and let's remember, they are HIGHLIGHTS) he seems appropriately rated right now by the 24/7 staff. Also, I think Frazier is a TALENT! He just needs better coaching than what he got under Malzahn. I think Malzahn is a good coach but, he is somewhat overrated at this point in his career. Even I could've coached Cam Newton! He is the best college football player I have seen in the last 25 years... So Malzahn can't get that much credit for Cam's development... Now one thing Malzahn did do is that once he figured out what he had in Cam, he put Cam in situations where Cam had the freedom to play to his strengths! A lot of people will say that Dyer was the one that complimented Cam the most but I think the one who really complimented Cam was Lutz (who is another TALENT)... If you go back and look, once Cam figured out that he had the luxury of a tight end that instinctively knew how to help his QB out, Cam became more comfortable with the offense and his confidence grew big time... Strictly FWIW...

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  • aumajorpain said...

    At the highest classification, is that worthy of 5* status?

    The issue is that you are chasing a 5* status. Recruiting rankings have been wrong on 5*s quite a bit.

    WRobins

  • aumajorpain said...

    Holland was hurt all year.

    True... But, Holland's habits were established in high school prior to any known injuries... Like I said, he is physically VERY strong. But in the SEC you cannot just rely on brute strength, especially at LB. Just based on what I've seen, I just happen to think his initial "3 star" ranking was appropriate. He is a good football player but, I don't think he is an 1st team All-SEC type of talent. Like I said above, I think he is a good hardworking kid and I am rooting for him! (Just not against Alabama(g))...

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  • T.E. said...

    I'm not an "expert" but I had the good fortune to have had a father-in-law who was the head coach at 2 Div. I schools and an assistant in the pros. He and i watched hundreds of hours of high school and college football film and he taught me a lot about what to look for in players. I watched Holland's "highlight" films and thought 3 star was a pretty fair ranking. Watching him last year, I realized that, unless he has great improvement, he is going to have trouble playing in the SEC. Holland biggest strength (and weakness) is his strength. He was able to "arm tackle" a lot of kids in high school and he apparently got into the habit of depending on that strength to overshadow his lack of lateral speed. This has become very evident in his college play. This has also led to some poor technique that coaching, so far, has not been able to correct. If you go back and look at his time at Auburn, he tends to leave his feet with his head somewhat down when trying to make tackles. This comes from poor/slow footwork and/or lack of lateral quickness. He also is somewhat slow to recognize plays developing which leads to even more slow and unsure footwork. Being slow to see plays developing can USUALLY be improved through coaching. Also, he appeared to be slow recognizing his "keys" in the other teams formations prior to the snap or "eye locking" on one player. Even my Auburn friends with no training in what to look for would tell me "he looks lost out there".This can also USUALLY be improved with coaching. Like I said, a lot of his techniques are from his well above average strength for a high school player. He is/was a good, strong high school player but, that seems to be where his ceiling is. He certainly may improve but, he has a lot too overcome. He needs better coaching than he got last year (and by the way, I think he'll get that with Auburn's coaching staff moves) but he will have to work extra hard to overcome some bad habits as well. Not saying he can't do it but, his lack of natural lateral speed and his past of depending so much on his strength will definitely have to be overcome. Not to mention he needs to spend a lot of time in the film room and get better at situational awareness both before and AS the plays develop. He seems like a good, hardworking kid so I am actually rooting for him (except against Alabama (g))...

    I appreciate your breakdown but you missed one pretty importany point. Its really hard to play MLB when the three tech in front of you is in your lap as soon as the ball is snapped. Our interior d line was garbage at times last year. Not an excuse but fact. Free releases for weakside guards or strongside tackles spells doom for middle linebackers.

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  • AUVTM said...

    I appreciate your breakdown but you missed one pretty importany point. Its really hard to play MLB when the three tech in front of you is in your lap as soon as the ball is snapped. Our interior d line was garbage at times last year. Not an excuse but fact. Free releases for weakside guards or strongside tackles spells doom for middle linebackers.

    LOL !!! And actually a good point... That was definitely a "killing point" for Holland. Jake has good overall body strength and when he is able to take a blocker on head on, he actually uses his hands well and his strength helps him to shed blocks pretty well BUT that is only when he takes on the blocker head on... His lack of footwork and his "eye locking" on to certain keys makes it tough for him to recognize the other keys that should let him know that the weakside guard is coming after him... Film room work Jake! Film room work! The best linebacker I ever saw at Auburn is Takeo Spikes... That guy was TALENTED and was willing to work on all facets of his game as well as spend time studying film! Not to mention a high "football IQ"! That is also what set Rolando McClain apart. Great talent to go along with great work ethic and a high "football IQ"...

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  • AUVTM said...

    I appreciate your breakdown but you missed one pretty importany point. Its really hard to play MLB when the three tech in front of you is in your lap as soon as the ball is snapped. Our interior d line was garbage at times last year. Not an excuse but fact. Free releases for weakside guards or strongside tackles spells doom for middle linebackers.

    After giving it some more thought AUVTM, you really have great point! And I'm going pretty much on memory as I haven't gone back and watched much of the 2010 season but, now that I think about it, Josh Bynes does't have great speed either, but Nick Fairley REALLY helped Bynes to play to his potential because of his ability to occupy two blockers and keeping them off of Bynes... Also, I think, if I remember correctly, Bynes was really good at recognizing the keys in the formations and diagnosing the plays very quickly as they developed.

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  • T.E. said...

    After giving it some more thought AUVTM, you really have great point! And I'm going pretty much on memory as I haven't gone back and watched much of the 2010 season but, now that I think about it, Josh Bynes does't have great speed either, but Nick Fairley REALLY helped Bynes to play to his potential because of his ability to occupy two blockers and keeping them off of Bynes... Also, I think, if I remember correctly, Bynes was really good at recognizing the keys in the formations and diagnosing the plays very quickly as they developed.

    Bynes was also someone that rarely ever missed a tackle. He was slow but he was smart and could tackle. He rarely made the same mistake twice.

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  • xT I G E R said...

    I remember the bammers crowing about BJ Scott being a 5*, Tyler Love being a 5*, Alonzo Lawrence being pushed to high 4* after committing to them, Philip Sims being the #1 QB in the country, Duron Carter getting qualified (lol!), etc.,

    Greg Smith, Dontae Aycock, and Raven Gray say hello... wave

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  • kitemac said...

    Bynes was also someone that rarely ever missed a tackle. He was slow but he was smart and could tackle. He rarely made the same mistake twice.

    I agree. He was very smart and had great tackling technique.

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  • SickNaban said...

    Greg Smith, Dontae Aycock, and Raven Gray say hello... wave

    Raven Gray.... sigh.
    Tray Blackmon.... tear

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