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Saban's take on Champion's Only Playoff...

  • Hskr4Life23 said...
    And save me the Bama dominated LSU stuff, I know, I just think this would be the best way to do it.

    Really? Because we have 28 pages of it so far.

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    MKatUmich

  • MKatUmich said...

    Really? Because we have 28 pages of it so far.

    well like i said i didn't read any of it. I just knew it had to be in there for it to be 28 pages.

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  • Hskr4Life23 said...

    I didn't read the other pages, but here is my model assuming that they don't go bigger than 4 teams, because 8 with the big 6 getting in + 2 wild cards would be perfect imo.

    With 4 teams in, you must win your conference to be eligible

    The 4 highest rated BCS conference champions are in, unless a mid major/independent is rated in the top 4, so pretty much if you are undefeated you'll be in. If you don't win your conference, tough luck. I am a believer in if you aren't the best team in your conference you can't be the best team in the nation.

    2011 it would have been 1. LSU (SEC Champion) 2. Oklahoma State (Big 12 Champ) 3. Oregon (Pac 12 Champ) 4. Wisconsin (B1G Champ)

    Big East and ACC champs get snubbed along with Houston.

    Another way of setting it up would be putting a clause in that the conference champion must be BCS rated in the top 10 it wouldn't have changed last years since the lowest rated was Wisconsin at 10, but it would get rid of the issues of 3 loss conference champions getting in. Last year the highest rated 3 loss team was Baylor at 12.

    A 4 team playoff is going to be really controversial no matter how they set it up. And save me the Bama dominated LSU stuff, I know, I just think this would be the best way to do it.

    you lost me at Oklahoma State . they were the most over-hyped team since the Sooners in 04' and we all know how that ended .
    A 4 team playoff with #1 vs #10 is purely laughable .

    Crimson_Ghost

  • Crimson_Ghost said...

    you lost me at Oklahoma State . they were the most over-hyped team since the Sooners in 04' and we all know how that ended .
    A 4 team playoff with #1 vs #10 is purely laughable .

    Agree. You can make stipulations all you want, but having a team ranked #10 in a 4-team playoff is laughable at best.

    If we aren't using the best 4 teams in football (yes, it has to be based on opinion, because there is no other way with a 4-team playoff), then why change the current model or why not just go back to the old bowl system.

    BetterOff

  • Crimson_Ghost said...

    you lost me at Oklahoma State . they were the most over-hyped team since the Sooners in 04' and we all know how that ended .
    A 4 team playoff with #1 vs #10 is purely laughable .

    If you had a 4-team playoff, OSU should have definitely been in. Wisconsin is the joke.

    BetterOff

  • MJRuffalo said...

    No, you are wrong. Look at 2008 for proof. If it were simply top-4 Alabama's sorry ass would have been in over USC who was by far the best team in the country that year.

    Best USC team under Pete Carroll .. easily the best team in 2008

    printsofPA

  • printsofPA said...

    Best USC team under Pete Carroll .. easily the best team in 2008

    I wouldn't put it ahead of the '04 or '05 teams. Definitely was a good team, but anytime you lose (lost to Oregon St), you do open it up to opinions though.

    That's why I would love an expanded playoff. Preferrable 16, with 5 at large, but at least 8 with the 5 power conferences (Big East needs to be dropped) with 3 at large.

    Opinion will weigh into any playoff field selection no matter what you do though. We'll never have a perfect scenario. Unfortunate, but true.

    BetterOff

  • BetterOff said...

    I wouldn't put it ahead of the '04 or '05 teams. Definitely was a good team, but anytime you lose (lost to Oregon St), you do open it up to opinions though.

    That's why I would love an expanded playoff. Preferrable 16, with 5 at large, but at least 8 with the 5 power conferences (Big East needs to be dropped) with 3 at large.

    Opinion will weigh into any playoff field selection no matter what you do though. We'll never have a perfect scenario. Unfortunate, but true.

    I would .. that defense was on another level .. definitely 16 teams with 11 conference champs and 5 at large ..

    printsofPA

  • The reason saban takes this position is completely hypocritical. He knows ESPN is in controlling college football polls. They overrate SEC teams so they can charge more for commercials with ranked teams on their schedule.

    Here is a challenge the NCAA - penalize teams for not graduating student athletes, create a committee with ZERO vested interest to rank teams, pay players a stipen, and ban any school who cannot control boosters paying players.

    Coaches and conference presidents are not ruining college football - Networks are. ESPN is running things an lining pockets - if you only knew how much ESPN gives coaches and school administrators in money and other gifts.

    Leppycole

  • Leppycole said...

    The reason saban takes this position is completely hypocritical. He knows ESPN is in controlling college football polls. They overrate SEC teams so they can charge more for commercials with ranked teams on their schedule.

    Here is a challenge the NCAA - penalize teams for not graduating student athletes, create a committee with ZERO vested interest to rank teams, pay players a stipen, and ban any school who cannot control boosters paying players.

    Coaches and conference presidents are not ruining college football - Networks are. ESPN is running things an lining pockets - if you only knew how much ESPN gives coaches and school administrators in money and other gifts.

    Unreal. An Irish fan complaining about other schools being overrated and on TV too much.

    WIthout endless hype and NBC, Notre Dame would be on the level of Vanderbilt. Get a grip son.

    MildReTIDEation

  • MKatUmich said...

    anybody can be ranked in the top 4. Polls are nothing but opinions. Are we having a popularity contest or trying to find a champion?

    Again, you're under the assumption that the SEC = the B1G = the Big XII = the Pac 12 = the ACC = the Big East.

    Not even remotely true.

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  • sf2k4 said...

    Again, you're under the assumption that the SEC = the B1G = the Big XII = the Pac 12 = the ACC = the Big East.

    Not even remotely true.

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    Man_A _War

  • sf2k4 said...

    Again, you're under the assumption that the SEC = the B1G = the Big XII = the Pac 12 = the ACC = the Big East.

    Not even remotely true.

    It sounds to me like he is under the assumption that the polls are flawed.

    The current poll system rewards weak SOS's, and teams that can have good records vs them. It punishes teams who play really strong SOS's and pick up more losses than they would with a weak SOS. Having a system where the Rose Bowl champion, plays the champion of the new SEC Big-12 bowl eliminates all of that, and let's it all be decided on the field of play.

    Why would anyone argue more for popularity contests than actual on the field results is beyond me.

    Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

    MJRuffalo

  • MJRuffalo said...

    Realistically speaking the ACC is behind the PAC-12, SEC, Big-10, and Big-12. Those 4 conferences should just agree to hold a 4 team tourney between their champs every year. It's basically what is going to be anyway.

    Self-quote. The stars seem to be aligning this way.

    Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

    MJRuffalo

  • Leppycole said...

    The reason saban takes this position is completely ESPN

    no he takes the postion because he feels he can get Bama into the top 4 more often than not because they beat folks down during the regular season .

    in short its called 'having a sack' .

    Crimson_Ghost

  • sf2k4 said...

    Again, you're under the assumption that the SEC = the B1G = the Big XII = the Pac 12 = the ACC = the Big East.

    Not even remotely true.

    no, i'm under the assumption that they are close enough for our purposes and there aren't enough stats to determine otherwise.

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  • MKatUmich said...

    no, i'm under the assumption that they are close enough for our purposes and there aren't enough stats to determine otherwise.

    Not even close, especially not in the case of the ACC and Big East.

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  • sf2k4 said...
    Again, you're under the assumption that the SEC = the B1G = the Big XII = the Pac 12 = the ACC = the Big East.
    Not even remotely true.

    MKatUmich said...
    no, i'm under the assumption that they are close enough for our purposes and there aren't enough stats to determine otherwise.

    MKat,

    have you been in a coma for the past six or so years ?

    Crimson_Ghost

  • MildReTIDEation said...

    Unreal. An Irish fan complaining about other schools being overrated and on TV too much.

    WIthout endless hype and NBC, Notre Dame would be on the level of Vanderbilt. Get a grip son.

    Notre Dame pretty much is on the level of Vanderbilt. Imagine how bad it would be without NBC?

    Notre Dame/Vandy would be a great series though. Should be scheduled.

    BetterOff

  • Flawed argument, IMO.

    Deciding who are the top 4 teams is opinion no matter how it's done. Deciding who are the top 4 conference champions is opinion no matter how it's done.

    If both are going to be opinions, give me the one that has the best chance of being the best 4 teams, which would more times than not be the top 4 teams.

    Also why we need more than 4 teams involved.

    BetterOff

  • BetterOff said...

    Notre Dame pretty much is on the level of Vanderbilt. Imagine how bad it would be without NBC?

    Notre Dame/Vandy would be a great series though. Should be scheduled.

    what going on this morning coffee , not alot of folks on the board so far shrug

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  • Cuthbert xxii said...

    Considering that the B1G consistently only has a few respectable top teams this is an easy position to take. When other conferences doesn't have annual title contenders it doesn't seem fair. Capice? How often has it come down to the last couple of weeks before we knew whether or not a B1G team would be involved in the BCS title game? Speaking for the SEC teams, I can say without hesitation, that it comes down to the wire here. Conference Championship games are not new in this part of the woods.

    What does your opinion of the Big-10 having only a few respectable teams have anything to do with making a conference champion mini tourney an easy position to take? I don't follow your logic. If they Big-10 champion is not up to par, then they will never win a 4 team tourney. Better to make a team win 2 games against elite competition, than just one. More accurate that way.

    Polls are way too flawed, you actually have a bunch of dumb southener's who believe that Arkansas was better than Okie St and Stanford last year, some even believe that they were better than Oregon. Idiot's like that deserve no say.

    Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

    MJRuffalo

  • MJRuffalo said...

    What does your opinion of the Big-10 having only a few respectable teams have anything to do with making a conference champion mini tourney an easy position to take? I don't follow your logic. If they Big-10 champion is not up to par, then they will never win a 4 team tourney. Better to make a team win 2 games against elite competition, than just one. More accurate that way.

    Polls are way too flawed, you actually have a bunch of dumb southener's who believe that Arkansas was better than Okie St and Stanford last year, some even believe that they were better than Oregon. Idiot's like that deserve no say.

    I really,really want Coaches' Poll to begin when the Harris Poll does or even later, because I agree. Arkansas was a good team and only had one loss, but they were scraping along, barely beating certain teams (besides the South Carolina game where they looked good). They should have floated anywhere between 7-11,but because they were pre-season [insert whatever ranking they were], they moved up anyways.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    I really,really want Coaches' Poll to begin when the Harris Poll does or even later, because I agree. Arkansas was a good team and only had one loss, but they were scraping along, barely beating certain teams (besides the South Carolina game where they looked good). They should have floated anywhere between 7-11,but because they were pre-season [insert whatever ranking they were], they moved up anyways.

    Arkansas had 2 losses. They were a good team, but not upper echelon.

    There really should be no coaches poll at all. It has become way too political, and there is so much at stake, that it cannot help but to be corrupt. Also coaches really don't watch the games. They watch tons of film of their upcoming opponent, but the time for the coaches poll to come to an end is long past due.

    Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

    MJRuffalo

  • MJRuffalo said...

    Arkansas had 2 losses. They were a good team, but not upper echelon.

    There really should be no coaches poll at all. It has become way too political, and there is so much at stake, that it cannot help but to be corrupt. Also coaches really don't watch the games. They watch tons of film of their upcoming opponent, but the time for the coaches poll to come to an end is long past due.

    I meant going throughout the season when they reached #3 when they played LSU.

    The more I learn about the coaches' poll, the more I don't like it, but it'll be there until 2014,so I wish they tweak it for the next few seasons to make it better.

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