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Saban's take on Champion's Only Playoff...

  • Cuthbert xxii said...

    Was it undeniable that Alabama did not win their conference last year? Is it undeniable that LSU did? Therefore, is it undeniable that the SEC champion was not the best team?

    The Sun Belt Champion is objectively the Sun Belt Champion. They deserve a shot IHO, but not really, because "6" is subjectively the right number.

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  • Why don't you just not lose multiple times to multiple loss teams? You'll get in the title game then 9 times out of 10.

    This post was edited by sf2k4 on 5/11/2012 at 8:15 PM

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  • AlwaysMore said...

    WRONG.

    I am saying that the winner of a conference is more qualified than the team that finishes second in that conference.

    If Oregon finishes second in the Pac, its not the winner of the WAC or MWC that is keeping Oregon out of the playoff. Its the team that Oregon finished behind in the conference that is doing so. It has nothing to do with other conferences, be they more or less worthy, and everything to do with Oregons conference, and how worthy they are there.

    You're operating under the delusion that there is a fair, objective, on the field only way to choose 4 playoff participants in a world where you have 100+ teams who play 12 games. There isn't.

    Its not like the NFL with 32 teams, playing 16 games, with a lot more than 4 making the playoffs. In that world everyone is on more or less equal footing and standings based playoffs make sense.

    You want to ruin the regular season? Wait until teams have their conference locked up and bench thier starters the last 2 games of the year. I just puked. And don't be naive enough to think it wouldn't happen.

    This post was edited by Landshark22 on 5/11/2012 at 8:18 PM

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  • Landshark22 said...

    You're operating under the delusion that there is a fair, objective, on the field only way to choose 4 playoff participants in a world where you have 100+ teams who play 12 games. There isn't.

    Its not like the NFL with 32 teams, playing 16 games, with a lot more than 4 making the playoffs. In that world everyone is on more or less equal footing and standings based playoffs make sense.

    Exactly. The NFL consists of 8 four-team divisions of relatively small deviation of quality. It has without doubt the most parity of any sports league in the world.

    College football has 120 teams in eleven conferences ranging from 7-14 teams and independents.

    They can't be treated the same.

    They are independent and unequal comparisons.

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  • MJRuffalo said...

    Ideally a larger field would be better. I agree with you.

    #1 method would be the Euro Soccer method where everyone plays everyone twice, home and home and the team with the best record at the end is champ. That is of course not feasible.

    #2 is a playoff, 16 team would be ideal for CFB 11 conference champs and 5 at larges

    What we are going to get is 4, Some would want the top-4 in the final bcs poll, others would want only conference champs. I personally feel that the 4 highest rated conference champs given that they are ranked in the top-6 is a very fair compromise, and the only addition that I would put in is that #1, goes in regardless.

    The problem is that CFB has so few games that in playoffs that big, teams could be high in preseason polls, then suck and still make it into the playoffs.

    I don't know why people are trying to make CFB like other sports. It's interesting and unique already.

    We already have twice as many bowls as we need and we did that so lesser teams who couldn't make the big bowls would have something to do and brag about. Do we really need to lessen the standards for a national title too?

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  • MJRuffalo said...

    Ideally a larger field would be better. I agree with you.

    #1 method would be the Euro Soccer method where everyone plays everyone twice, home and home and the team with the best record at the end is champ. That is of course not feasible.

    #2 is a playoff, 16 team would be ideal for CFB 11 conference champs and 5 at larges

    What we are going to get is 4, Some would want the top-4 in the final bcs poll, others would want only conference champs. I personally feel that the 4 highest rated conference champs given that they are ranked in the top-6 is a very fair compromise, and the only addition that I would put in is that #1, goes in regardless.

    My point stands though... Are the conference champions in the Top 6 only the "Big" Conferences ? If so you are playing favorites for conferences with that format. For instance say Boise goes crazy and schedules 4 ideal OOC games.... Say Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma St. and Stanford from last season. Say they win all 4 and go undefeated. They still have no chance at all to get in if 4 of the "Big" conference end with champions in the Top 6.... Why ? Because that is the deal that was worked out.

    Now that will never happen but that is why the format is nothing but an insurance for teams in certain conferences. It still plays favorites and gives some teams guarantees while excluding others.

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  • We need a 120-team playoff. It's the only way to settle it, though any number of teams could luck up and beat the Chanpion on any given day. We are fucked.

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  • TJ-2-F-AU said...

    Agreed. In a similar vein, you clearly have trouble with the word "best."

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  • Landshark22 said...

    You're operating under the delusion that there is a fair, objective, on the field only way to choose 4 playoff participants in a world where you have 100+ teams who play 12 games. There isn't.

    Its not like the NFL with 32 teams, playing 16 games, with a lot more than 4 making the playoffs. In that world everyone is on more or less equal footing and standings based playoffs make sense.

    You want to ruin the regular season? Wait until teams have their conference locked up and bench thier starters the last 2 games of the year. I just puked. And don't be naive enough to think it wouldn't happen.

    Saban would do it in a heartbeat.

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  • TJ-2-F-AU said...

    Saban would do it in a heartbeat.

    If these idiots are dumb enough to set up a system where that makes sense- like anything more than a 4 team playoff- then yeah he would. And I'd be all for it.

    TalHawkins112

  • Landshark22 said...

    You're operating under the delusion that there is a fair, objective, on the field only way to choose 4 playoff participants in a world where you have 100+ teams who play 12 games. There isn't.

    Its not like the NFL with 32 teams, playing 16 games, with a lot more than 4 making the playoffs. In that world everyone is on more or less equal footing and standings based playoffs make sense.

    You want to ruin the regular season? Wait until teams have their conference locked up and bench thier starters the last 2 games of the year. I just puked. And don't be naive enough to think it wouldn't happen.

    Then that team would not finish in the top-6. Anyway gots to go to work.

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  • TalHawkins112 said...

    If these idiots are dumb enough to set up a system where that makes sense- like anything more than a 4 team playoff- then yeah he would. And I'd be all for it.

    Me, too. It has been said before, but every playoff paradigm that includes anything more than arbitrary selection of which conference champions "belong," would have ensured that either Alabama or LSU won the title last year. Even with just the Champions, LSU would have won.

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  • Harry Callahan said...

    I'd rather have a playoff with teams that win the games on the field. I have watched MSU plummet in rankings the past 2 years after losing close battles with good football teams. Losing to Notre Dame, Wisconsin, or Iowa is nothing to be ashamed of, but because we aren't a traditional power, we fall deep. We got screwed out of a BCS bowl the past 2 years because other teams have been selected in front of us from our own conference that are "sexier" (Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin).

    I no longer have any faith in the system and it's all about making money. You are an Alabama fan and Alabama makes money. It is good for you to support Saban's stance and the continued ranking based on a "formula" that won't fully be submitted to the public.

    However, my team MUST win our conference in order to go to the Rose Bowl or a BCS NCG. Otherwise, the "formula" will drop us down lower than other schools and we get screwed. Funny how that works out for a non-traditional power compared to a bigger, traditional program.

    MSU is not ruining college football, we're trying to be part of the growing change and win games on the field. Our coach and AD have talked about it enough to let their stance be known.

    We took you behind the woodshed & beat you like you stole something 2 years ago. If you were screwed out of a BCS bid, b/c of the media's bias against you, then: 1. I'd have hated for us to play whoever got the BCS bid & was actually worse than you & 2. I'm sorry that the Big 10 didn't want to have a championship game until last year, 20 years after the SEC started playing one, b/c they felt playing an extra game decreased the chances that Ohio State & Michigan would have a direct route to the BCS Championshp Game.

    I love it. The Big 10 doesn't even have a conference championship game until last year & now suddenly it's the gold mark in determining who's allowed to play for the national title. Not to mention that the Big 12 no longer even has a championship game anymore.

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  • My opinion is every conference should play by the same rules. Require every league to have the same number of members (14), play 8 conference games and a league championship game, 2 away and 2 home out of conference games against equivalent leagues rotating each year. For example, Week 1 Sec vs Big 12, Acc vs. Big 10, Big East vs PAC 12. Week 2 Sec vs. Acc, Big 12 vs. PAC 12, Big 10 vs. Big East, etc. This type of scheduling would eliminate those who belong and those who don't pretty quickly. Then the Top 8 teams at the end of the season play a playoff. Conference champs must be in the Top 8 to make the playoff. My idea would never pass but it would give the fans exciting games every week.

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  • AlwaysMore said...

    Because that game the 11-1 team lost mattered as much as any playoff game. Thats what they mean by the regular season mattering.

    It didnt last year. That first game between LSU and Alabama was nothing but a scrimmage that actually hurt the team that won, and rewarded the team that lost. Anyone who is not an Alabama fan who thinks that system is in any way fair is lying.

    That is such crap. The regular season games importance was not diminished because they both made it to the NCG. Name another 1 loss team in the country that deserved to be there more than UofA. Why should Bama have been penalized for being one of the two best teams in the country who were not only in the same conference but also same division??? The same thing could very well happen again next year.

    You have made it clear to me that the reason you are so against the top 4 is because you do not want two SEC teams making it again..... hence yours and everyone else's insistence of only Conf Champions. That would leave out sooooooooooo many teams that could be more deserving..

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  • There were many years in the NBA that the 2 best teams were the Lakers and the Spurs .. they could never play in the finals because they are from the same conference .. Just apply some logic here .. every other sport has conference champions play for the championship .. they don't have #1 and #2 from the same conference just because we may think they are the best two teams play .. and CFB is the only sport looking to change their post season format .. So, it would make sense for the one sport that needs to change how it does things to at least adopt a semblance of what the other sports are doing.

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  • printsofPA said...

    There were many years in the NBA that the 2 best teams were the Lakers and the Spurs .. they could never play in the finals because they are from the same conference .. Just apply some logic here .. every other sport has conference champions play for the championship .. they don't have #1 and #2 from the same conference just because we may think they are the best two teams play .. and CFB is the only sport looking to change their post season format .. So, it would make sense for the one sport that needs to change how it does things to at least adopt a semblance of what the other sports are doing.

    The fact that they are other sports however means that the same system might not be best for CFB.

    And one of the reasons I don't like basketball is those post system playoffs.

    TalHawkins112

  • printsofPA said...

    There were many years in the NBA that the 2 best teams were the Lakers and the Spurs .. they could never play in the finals because they are from the same conference .. Just apply some logic here .. every other sport has conference champions play for the championship .. they don't have #1 and #2 from the same conference just because we may think they are the best two teams play .. and CFB is the only sport looking to change their post season format .. So, it would make sense for the one sport that needs to change how it does things to at least adopt a semblance of what the other sports are doing.

    Why would you identify the sport you follow as the one that needs to change IYO?

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  • TalHawkins112 said...

    The fact that they are other sports however means that the same system might not be best for CFB.

    And one of the reasons I don't like basketball is those post system playoffs.

    Fair enough .. I personally think the 6 BCS conference champions should make playoff .. then the 5 non BCS conference champions play to determine top 2 ..

    #1 and #2 BCS get byes

    #3 plays #2 non BCS
    #4 plays #1 non BCS

    Lowest seed winner plays BCS #1
    Next lowest winner plays BCS #2

    So, the non BCS have to play in to the real tournament and teams are rewarded with byes .. again, it will eliminate 2nd or 3rd teams from the same conference but I feel like the single biggest problem with CFB is the use of polls.

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  • TJ-2-F-AU said...

    Why would you identify the sport you follow as the one that needs to change IYO?

    First, I follow pretty much all sports

    Second, without regard for my own personal opinion, I would simply refer to the fact that it is the only sport actively trying to change as evidence that it needs to change.

    As for my opinion, I have never supported the use of polls and any attempt to get rid of them is what I would look at .. Limiting post season to conference champions achieves that.

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  • printsofPA said...

    First, I follow pretty much all sports

    Second, without regard for my own personal opinion, I would simply refer to the fact that it is the only sport actively trying to change as evidence that it needs to change.

    As for my opinion, I have never supported the use of polls and any attempt to get rid of them is what I would look at .. Limiting post season to conference champions achieves that.

    So you are down with the 120-team playoff?

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  • Cuthbert xxii said...

    I'm not an NBA guy but does one being in the playoffs eliminate the other from playing in them?

    Seems so. Playoffs based on objectively comparable records are very confusing.

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  • MJRuffalo said...

    Then that team would not finish in the top-6. Anyway gots to go to work.

    Let's keep the 2 arguments separate. I'm not talking about the conference champs as long as they're in the top 6 system. That's not as good as just taking the best 4 but not the worst thing I've ever heard.

    I'm talking about AlwaysMore's "if you can't win your conference you don't can't be considered the best team blah blah" theory. He's saying any 3 loss conference champ should be in over anyone who didn't win their conference regardless of record. Which is retarded and would ruin the regular season faster than any other proposal I've heard.

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  • Cuthbert xxii said...

    It almost seems that some are advocating a playoff that mandates that teams that win @ mediocrity are included.

    ^Sun Belt-hating mfer IMO.

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  • TJ-2-F-AU said...

    Saban would do it in a heartbeat.

    And I'd be pissed as hell if he didn't.

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