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sf2k4 said...
Boise's entire reputation is built upon what they did "last season"; I.E., bowl victories which, all be it, they have done well at. However, you don't give a team a chance at the title based on LAST SEASON, you give it based on THIS SEASON, and quite frankly, winning their conference was in no way impressive because it is a f'ing joke.
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It would not fuck smaller schools at all, it would help to boost up the more deserving. Boise St had the best team they are ever going have last season and could not get it done. Utah and TCU are now in major conferences. There are no small schools worthy of being in the discussion anymore.
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Clearly you cannot read. Kid is an idiot and is arguing something that nobody but other backwards bammers are in favor of. When it is only the fanbase of one school arguing for a certain formula that due to bias clearly favor's their school, and that is the sole reason for arguing for it, they have no platform to stand on. That, and the fact that he does not understand the clear distinction between objective, and subjective criteria.
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SignalBama said...
So now you are arguing for who is worthy... I thought you threw out the "Worthy" argument for the conference champions only argument. You can't predict the future and which teams might become relevant. But you want to impose a restriction on those teams chances for a championship with a certain system.
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I want to reward accomplishments. Winning a strong conference is a very good accomplishment. Winning a weak conference is a good accomplishment, but not worthy of making a 4 team playoff. Now if you win a weaker conference, and also defeat a divisional champion from a stronger conference, I can now see a better case, based on on the field accomplishment. I am not sure what is difficult about understanding rewarding on the field accomplishments first and foremost.
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ZFM_\\m//_504 said...
a playoff consisting of just conference champions is stupid. There's never been a season where more than 4 teams think they deserve a shot at the national championship.
After the BCS games the #1 ranked team gets a bye and the number 2 and 3 play for the right to play for the titie or
You take the 4 BCS games and use those as the "first round" of playoff games and go from there.
The Big 12, the Big 10, the SEC, the PAC 12,the ACC and the highest ranked non-AQ team only if they have 1 loss or less (that means you Big East) get an automatic bid to those games and the two highest ranked non-conference champion (that still gives ND their chance to make it since they're not in a conference and some of the other teams that finish 2nd or even third in their conference if it's a situation like last year)
The NCAA and the BCS aren't going to just give up the bowl games because of the money they make off of them via tickets, advertising, TV deals and sponsorship's so this way you can keep the bowl system, you can even keep the BCS system.
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SignalBama said...
So your only exception each time is... "Must beat another conference champion". You threw that out there for non conference champions as well. What is the difference between a 10-3 ACC champion and a 12-0 Boise type team that won their conference ? You are putting to much emphasis on the conference champions of most conferences. Outside the SEC and Big 12 and occasionally the Big 10 there is not much strength in conferences top to Bottom that would ensure them a spot over an undefeated team from a smaller conference. That is why the stipulation is foolish to start with on more than one level.
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I disagree. I look at Utah, and last year they were as good on paper as they have ever been, next year could be their best team ever. They even had an extremely favorable schedule for the PAC-12 in not having to play either Stanford or Oregon, nor do they have to play either of those teams this year. This is a team that may have gone to a bcs bowl last year, and would be heavily favored to go to a bcs bowl this year if they were still in the mountain West. In the PAC-12 they were just a middle of the road team. I just don't believe that these smaller conference champions would be able to compete for conference championships in the major conferences. i used to white knight for these teams all the time, but watching Utah in the PAC-12 last year, changed my mind on the issue. I added the stipulation, that say if Boise st would have gone undefeated last year, with their win over Georgia who won the SEC east, that would have been good enough for me to put them in a final 4.
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SignalBama said...
Funny considering Utah was replacing half of their starters last season. How does that equate to them on paper having their best team ever ? Do you even look into these things before making asinine comments ? You would benefit from fact checking.
Utah last year had to replace all but 1 starter on their defensive line and every starter in their secondary. How does replacing that much on defense in an offensive league equate to them "Having their best team EVAR!!!" ?
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I disagree. I look at Utah, and last year they were as good on paper as they have ever been, next year could be their best team ever. They even had an extremely favorable schedule for the PAC-12 in not having to play either Stanford or Oregon, nor do they have to play either of those teams this year. This is a team that may have gone to a bcs bowl last year, and would be heavily favored to go to a bcs bowl this year if they were still in the mountain West. In the PAC-12 they were just a middle of the road team. I just don't believe that these smaller conference champions would be able to compete for conference championships in the major conferences. i used to white knight for these teams all the time, but watching Utah in the PAC-12 last year, changed my mind on the issue. I added the stipulation, that say if Boise st would have gone undefeated last year, with their win over Georgia who won the SEC east, that would have been good enough for me to put them in a final 4.
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SignalBama said...
No the year before Utah returned more of their starters. You are going to lose this argument unless you start fact checking. Next season Utah returns 16 the most since their 2008 season.
BTW this is what you said about Utah.
"I look at Utah, and last year they were as good on paper as they have ever been"
You also did say that next year looks better... But you said "as they have ever been". They were replacing 11 starters. Your argument continues to fail.
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printsofPA said...
Here's another question ..
What sport, college or pro or even rec league really, has a league divided into "divisions" or "conferences" and the winner of such groupings is not automatically eligible for post season play?
What is the point of even having conferences if winning them doesn't matter? And as I said if you deem certain conferences not good enough to produce a conference champion worthy of inclusion then those conferences shouldn't be a part of your league .. if the idea is a D1A playoff to produce a D1A champion then ALL D1A teams should have an equal opportunity to achieve it .. and the only way to achieve that is to include auto-qualifying to ALL conferences.
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BamaLivesFootba said...
All those leagues you mentioned had divisions that are equitable in quantity and relative quality. There are eleven conference ranging in size from seven to fourteen, quality from the Sun Belt to the SEC. Not to mention independents like ND,BYU,Navy,Army etc.
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SignalBama said...
Also to add... Conferences in College Football were not made to determine playoff teams by seasons end. You would need a complete overhaul of the conferences to make it fair for all teams in that format. Also every other format you can name includes spots for teams that do not win their conference. Name a sport that doesn't.
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MJRuffalo said...
It was done for one reason only, sweet delicious cash. Faulty premise had absolutely nothing to do with it, and we all know it.
Now to be clear, if we are talking about an expanded 16 team, or even an 8 team playoff, I am all for non-conference champions to be involved. But when we have so many teams, and so many conferences trying to fit into just a 4 team playoff I would prefer a conference champion only model, but am ok with the conference champion as long as they are in the top-6 compromise.
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