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  • sullkev said...

    What are recruits going to think when a Fickell coached Ohio State team pounds a much weaker michigan by about 30 in the big house?

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  • TheBuckeyenut said...

    The Uncertainty of the sanctions that may have been coming hurt worse than the coaching. Most of the recruits that spoke up said first and foremost the bowl ban would hurt and until we got that letter from the NCAA that we would not be charged with LOIC or failure to monitor which are the only charges that carry a bowl ban we couldn't tell them that was not the case. Most of the damage was done by then though. As we go forward though no I think this starts to fade away you have reaped the benies of that this year .I can say with a great deal of confidence going forward that will not be the case definitely feel good about next year.

    Well, we were talking about this recruiting class not future recruiting classes. And I disagree. IMO, the uncertainty surrounding the OSU coaching situation is clearly hurting your recruiting this year.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 8/7/2011 at 12:16 PM

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  • Both of you guys need to stop being....

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  • Gfortress5 said...

    popcorn

    Eat up

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  • SimplyComplex said...

    Both of you guys need to stop being....

    No flaming here just a good old fashioned debate!!!!! With a jab here and there keeps it interesting. Hey a milestone 500banana

    This post was edited by TheBuckeyenut on 8/7/2011 at 12:21 PM

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  • TheBuckeyenut said...

    No flaming here just a good old fashioned debate!!!!! With a jab here and there.

    lol Okay...

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  • TheBuckeyenut said...

    No flaming here just a good old fashioned debate!!!!! With a jab here and there.

    Actually, it's a compliment to get flamed. It means we have won the debate and the other side can't come up with anything intelligent to say. The only thing they can do is call people names or throw out obviously stupid comments to try to get under our skin.

    Trust me, if OSU wasn't concerned about recruiting this year and what Hoke is doing in AA, they wouldn't even be over here discussing it. Nothing proves that OSU is worried better than how much time and energy they spend talking about us. If I didn't know any better, I'd think I was listening to Sparty fans.

    GO BLUE!!!

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 8/7/2011 at 12:31 PM

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Well, we were talking about this recruiting class not future recruiting classes. And I disagree. IMO, the uncertainty surrounding the OSU coaching situation is clearly hurting your recruiting this year.

    One year won't set us back with the stockpile of talent @ OSU and we have Quality in the class we have with more on the way.The future is bright and we'll be just fine.

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  • TheBuckeyenut said...

    One year won't set us back with the stockpile of talent @ OSU and we have Quality in the class we have with more on the way.The future is bright and we'll be just fine.

    I never said it would. I simply said that the uncertainty was a drag on your ability to recruit this year. I didn't even think it was a controversial comment.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Actually, it's a compliment to get flamed. It means we have won the debate and the other side can't come up with anything intelligent to say. The only thing they can do is call people names or throw out obviously stupid comments to try to get under our skin.

    Trust me, if OSU wasn't concerned about recruiting this year and what Hoke is doing in AA, they wouldn't even be over here discussing it. Nothing proves that OSU is worried better than how much time and energy they spend talking about us. If I didn't know any better, I'd think I was listening to Sparty fans.

    GO BLUE!!!

    You know as well as I do that rahcruit'n between OSU and Meatchicken is a bloodsport not quite as big as The Game but close.If he were able to do this next year I would be a little concerned.Don't want to give Hokey Pokey A Damn thing as I'm sure Big Blew(small flame) wants to give The Ohio State University nothing.I'm not worried........Yet.
    Go Bucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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  • TheBuckeyenut said...

    You know as well as I do that rahcruit'n between OSU and Meatchicken is a bloodsport not quite as big as The Game but close.If he were able to do this next year I would be a little concerned.Don't want to give Hokey Pokey A Damn thing as I'm sure Big Blew(small flame) wants to give The Ohio State University nothing.I'm not worried........Yet. Go Bucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

    Serious question: how old are you?

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  • buttesnake said...

    Serious question: how old are you?

    Why ? bashful No more down votes please!!!!moon

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  • MrWoodson said...

    I never said it would. I simply said that the uncertainty was a drag on your ability to recruit this year. I didn't even think it was a controversial comment.

    Ok, that point is obvious and pretty much made by any site you visit. Your recruiting is up this year but as you have so astutely pointed out , michigan has recruited several 3 - 4 - 5 * recruits over the last several years. Shouldn't this result in better numbers on the field?

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  • buttesnake said...

    Serious question: how old are you?

    Lighten the F_ck Up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • TheBuckeyenut said...

    Lighten the F_ck Up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Exactly why I was asking the question.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    I never said it would. I simply said that the uncertainty was a drag on your ability to recruit this year. I didn't even think it was a controversial comment.

    No It's not.

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  • And for the record I haven't downvoted anybody in this thread.

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  • buttesnake said...

    Exactly why I was asking the question.

    As you down vote every post Get Realbaby Your wrapped a little to tight dude!!!!!!!!!

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  • buttesnake said...

    And for the record I haven't downvoted anybody in this thread.

    Sorry bout that then c'mon out you Coward whoever you are. Very rarely will I take anything in here that serious.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    If the sanctions aren't bad and if OSU makes a quick decision about the HC position soon thereafter, OSU's chances with any number of prospects will improve. The uncertainty is killing them. Kids have no idea who the HC is, let alone who their position coaches will be. They don't know if the offensive and defensive schemes/philosophies will change. It's just a lot to ask of an elite kid with plenty of good alternatives to overlook.

    ohio state is and will always be ohio state. the 2013 class is amazing for OSU and one off year will not hurt the program. 3 like what rich rod did at scum will.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Without getting into a debate on possible sanctions, removing the interim tag from Fickel accomplished nothing. He has a two year contract at $775,000 per year. That is not the deal you give a big time head coach. It's the deal you give a coach you want to be able to terminate inexpensively at the end of the season if it suits you. Recruits are smarter than you think.

    What does a recruit care about how much a coach makes? If that is so important to you, how much does Hoke make...and does that amount make him a "big time coach" in your/or/ recruits' eyes?

    If not, maybe Hoke's w/l record might?....hmmmm?

    Go Bucks!

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  • It's a simple concept - a young talented prospect has more in common with a young talented position coach who happens to be elevated than a big money HC

    edit - And then factor in someone who could still start in the nfl and has 14 years of professional experience to share......

    This post was edited by Jagstyle on 8/9/2011 at 8:19 AM

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  • WhosyerBuck said...

    What does a recruit care about how much a coach makes? If that is so important to you, how much does Hoke make...and does that amount make him a "big time coach" in your/or/ recruits' eyes?

    If not, maybe Hoke's w/l record might?....hmmmm?

    Go Bucks!

    Wow. I'm beginning to think you guys are playing dumb just to annoy everyone. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt and explain it as if I were talking to a third grader.

    The reason Fickel's contract matters is that it shows no commitment by OSU to keep him. When Michigan hired Hoke, he received a five-year deal that begins at $2.5 million plus heavy incentives. Mattison, our DC, has a mult-year deal (can't remember how many years) that begins at $750,000 plus incentives. Similarly, when we hired RR, he received a six-year deal at around $2.4 million. Moreover, his contract required us to pay him $4 million to terminate him within the first three years and $2.5 million thereafter.

    In June, OSU gave Fickel a two-year contract at $775,000 per year. Even if OSU has to buy out the entire second year, the cost is $775,000. So, if I were a recruit, I would look at that and think that OSU is not yet 100% committed to keeping Fickel as head coach beyond this season. Maybe they will, maybe they won't, but they've certainly made it unusually easy and inexpensive to get rid of him.

    This post has been edited 4 times, most recently by MrWoodson on 8/7/2011 at 2:25 PM

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  • Stay in Big Ten country son. Dont sell out like Trey Depreist , Jordan Hicks and Sherrif Flyod.

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