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    3D-Print a Robot for $800 : TreeHugger

    A French inventor is in the process of designing, 3D printing and assembling the parts for an entire robot.

    www.treehugger.com
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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    It's the offseason and the board is getting slow. We seem to have a good group who enjoy following SciTech news. That Mars colonization thread got to like five or six pages.

    So ITT, you can link news or starts discussion about anything science and technology related.

    Some general topics I'd be interested in discussing:
    -Alternative Energy
    -Futurism
    -Space
    -Physics
    -Medical breakthroughs
    -General tech like new products like 3D printers etc.

    You should start reseaching STEM education (Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics). There is a large change coming in how public education is structured, how it is offered to the public, and how curriculum is going to be taught. STEM education is the future. Everything you mentioned is a cornerstone of STEM. It is very interesting stuff and as a science teacher, I can not wait for these changes.

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  • Yep, Mark Zuckerburg as lame as that guy can seem will be one of the most important people in modern U.S. history due to how he is warring for and driving with his money the push to reinvent the public school system. Every American child will have a person, ultra-interactive computer within a few years and ever education will be personally tailored. Teachers will be there as technicians and people to provide human expression learning, etc.

    The Asian giants are totally educating based on STEM curriculum. They will lap us within 10 years. We need to implement change.

    This post was edited by fsufsu on 2/12/2013 at 7:03 PM

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  • fsufsu said...

    Yep, Mark Zuckerburg as lame as that guy can seem will be one of the most important people in modern U.S. history due to how he is warring for and driving with his money the push to reinvent the public school system. Every American child will have a person, ultra-interactive computer within a few years and ever education will be personally tailored. Teachers will be there as technicians and people to provide human expression learning, etc.

    The Asian giants are totally educating based on STEM curriculum. They will lap us within 10 years. We need to implement change.

    Sadly Washington, state capitols, unions, superintendents etc. will probably hinder that. Sigh.

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  • fsufsu said...

    Yep, Mark Zuckerburg as lame as that guy can seem will be one of the most important people in modern U.S. history due to how he is warring for and driving with his money the push to reinvent the public school system. Every American child will have a person, ultra-interactive computer within a few years and ever education will be personally tailored. Teachers will be there as technicians and people to provide human expression learning, etc.

    The Asian giants are totally educating based on STEM curriculum. They will lap us within 10 years. We need to implement change.

    The problem with a STEM curriculum is that an unbelievably large percentage of the country objects to scientific teachings based on its conflict with religion.

    As nice as it would be to actually have a functional education system, way too many people think learning about the invisible man in the sky is more important than science.

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  • CMXI said...

    The problem with a STEM curriculum is that an unbelievably large percentage of the country objects to scientific teachings based on its conflict with religion.

    As nice as it would be to actually have a functional education system, way too many people think learning about the invisible man in the sky is more important than science.

    I think you are misinformed. There are certain disciplines that go beyond the Judeo-Christian comfort zone no doubt but those disciplines pertain to maybe 3-4% of the entire STEM work force. I dont see any Christians telling their boss that they are not comfortable with their tasks as a engineer, contractor, computer programmer, nurse, surgeon, electrician, software engineer, etc etc etc.

    Yeah we may need a room of atheists in there growing new organs from stem cells in hyper-nutritional baths. Not sure folks will be leading prayer at lunch break in that lab. But the other million labs are generally palatable.

    Christians are even pro-Astronomy. Most are so dumb they likely dont know they are because they dont know the difference between in and astrology.

    fsufsu

  • fsufsu said...

    I think you are misinformed. There are certain disciplines that go beyond the Judeo-Christian comfort zone no doubt but those disciplines pertain to maybe 3-4% of the entire STEM work force. I dont see any Christians telling their boss that they are not comfortable with their tasks as a engineer, contractor, computer programmer, nurse, surgeon, electrician, software engineer, etc etc etc.

    Yeah we may need a room of atheists in there growing new organs from stem cells in hyper-nutritional baths. Not sure folks will be leading prayer at lunch break in that lab. But the other million labs are generally palatable.

    Christians are even pro-Astronomy. Most are so dumb they likely dont know they are because they dont know the difference between in and astrology.

    The problem is, thanks to those few disciplines (evolution, stem cell research, etc.), science as a whole has gotten a bad rap among the religious. There's a very clear Religion - Science dichotomy among large factions of American society. Science is seen as incompatible with religion, and that spreads out to other research.

    On top of that, the problem is compounded by the inherent problems in turning to faith instead of science. Where science sees a lack of knowledge and sparks research and investigation, faith says "God works in mysterious ways." Having an omnipotent overlord who's responsible for everything leads to a marked passivity when it comes to innovation and exploration. So much of human drive comes from our inability to explain certain things, and slapping the "God" tag on everything is a cheap cop-out that hurts everyone.

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  • Depends on where it's directed IMO. If its messing with "God's work" like with genes, stem cell, extending life etc , that will not suit many religious people, but if its like what fsufsu is talking about, it seems reasonable.

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  • CMXI said...

    The problem is, thanks to those few disciplines (evolution, stem cell research, etc.), science as a whole has gotten a bad rap among the religious. There's a very clear Religion - Science dichotomy among large factions of American society. Science is seen as incompatible with religion, and that spreads out to other research.

    On top of that, the problem is compounded by the inherent problems in turning to faith instead of science. Where science sees a lack of knowledge and sparks research and investigation, faith says "God works in mysterious ways." Having an omnipotent overlord who's responsible for everything leads to a marked passivity when it comes to innovation and exploration. So much of human drive comes from our inability to explain certain things, and slapping the "God" tag on everything is a cheap cop-out that hurts everyone.

    Its like you repeated yourself. The Vatican itself has a science department. Christians are all up in each of these fields. Christians aren't as serious about Christianity as you think they are. Big talk, no walk.

    Plus, like I said, most of these fields have nothing to do with design or biology. Most of it is electrical, Chemical, design, and math. They dont have issues with that.

    This post was edited by fsufsu on 2/12/2013 at 8:11 PM

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  • CMXI said...

    The problem with a STEM curriculum is that an unbelievably large percentage of the country objects to scientific teachings based on its conflict with religion.

    As nice as it would be to actually have a functional education system, way too many people think learning about the invisible man in the sky is more important than science.

    Religion is only in religious schools. Do you actually know people under 30 who believe dinosaurs never existed? I mean really know people and have had extensive discussions with them on evolution.

    And any real change to education won't happen until teachers unions allow it. If you can show me where teachers unions are fighting for altering education and not money and resisting change, I will gladly concede the argument.

    Disclaimer: I'm not saying effective legislation has been proposed and denied nor defending politicians of any particular side.

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  • PTCcock195 said...

    Religion is only in religious schools. Do you actually know people under 30 who believe dinosaurs never existed? I mean really know people and have had extensive discussions with them on evolution.

    And any real change to education won't happen until teachers unions allow it. If you can show me where teachers unions are fighting for altering education and not money and resisting change, I will gladly concede the argument.

    Disclaimer: I'm not saying effective legislation has been proposed and denied nor defending politicians of any particular side.

    Education is about to get flipped on its head by robotics, AI and computing. It's exponential man. It's going to get wild.

    fsufsu

  • fsufsu said...

    Education is about to get flipped on its head by robotics, AI and computing. It's exponential man. It's going to get wild.

    I hope so, but you also have to educate the educators for that to happen. Nothing real will happen as long education can be a political tool.

    PTCcock195

  • PTCcock195 said...

    I hope so, but you also have to educate the educators for that to happen. Nothing real will happen as long education can be a political tool.

    Teachers will be so augmented they wont be able to screw it up. They wont be doing much of the teaching.

    fsufsu

  • Obama confirms that the goal is to revamp high schools for the time being towards STEM programs.

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  • The level of coverage 3D printing is getting right now is amazing. Will result in some serious capital I bet.

    fsufsu

  • fsufsu said...

    The level of coverage 3D printing is getting right now is amazing. Will result in some serious capital I bet.

    It's nuts when you start to think about it.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    It's nuts when you start to think about it.

    I said it in this thread and i've said it before. By 2025 they will straight up print you a new heart, lungs, pancreas, etc. In developed nations humans will average ~115 years old. Technology will bring abundance like humanity has never imagined or dreamed. All that will hold people back is poor governance.

    fsufsu

  • fsufsu said...

    I said it in this thread and i've said it before. By 2025 they will straight up print you a new heart, lungs, pancreas, etc. In developed nations humans will average ~115 years old. Technology will bring abundance like humanity has never imagined or dreamed. All that will hold people back is poor governance.

    and all of the problems that come with overpopulation.

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  • MJRuffalo said...

    and all of the problems that come with overpopulation.

    Slow or negative pop growth rates will offset that.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Slow or negative pop growth rates will offset that.

    As I understand, under current lifespans, world population is on pace to get to 10 bilion before it begins to level off. Also this will bring on all sorts of economic problems if we have to support retirement programs for an average of 40-50 years for each individual. When Social Security was enacted, the average length of collection was 3-4 years.

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  • MJRuffalo said...

    As I understand, under current lifespans, world population is on pace to get to 10 bilion before it begins to level off. Also this will bring on all sorts of economic problems if we have to support retirement programs for an average of 40-50 years for each individual. When Social Security was enacted, the average length of collection was 3-4 years.

    All valid points, but that seems to be under the current situation of production, technology etc.

    Things would obviously have to change for many aspects.

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  • MJRuffalo said...

    and all of the problems that come with overpopulation.

    Won't be an issue. The world will change in ways over the next 15 years few understand because humans have thought locally and linearly their entire existent. The world is now operating globally and expontentially so there's no mystery why few can't project it.

    By 2025 85% of the world will likely be literate. Many pursuing GED and A.A. level certifications in developing nations and masters degrees in emerging economies. Health care will decentralize and improve by orders of magnitude. Global birth rates per household will drop quickly. Education always leads to a decrease in # of children. Families stop planning for their kids to have to work their farm and quit having extra kids in case one dies like they have for eons.

    BLF said it, the world will continue to shift towards fewer people living longer. That shift does not, at this time, appear to have many limiting factors either.

    fsufsu

  • fsufsu said...

    Won't be an issue. The world will change in ways over the next 15 years few understand because humans have thought locally and linearly their entire existent. The world is now operating globally and expontentially so there's no mystery why few can't project it.

    By 2025 85% of the world will likely be literate. Many pursuing GED and A.A. level certifications in developing nations and masters degrees in emerging economies. Health care will decentralize and improve by orders of magnitude. Global birth rates per household will drop quickly. Education always leads to a decrease in # of children. Families stop planning for their kids to have to work their farm and quit having extra kids in case one dies like they have for eons.

    BLF said it, the world will continue to shift towards fewer people living longer. That shift does not, at this time, appear to have many limiting factors either.

    I think it is extremely naive and idealistic to say these things won't be an issue. The world will become ideal after we reach a level of technology where humans no longer need to labor for food, energy, or housing, then we would need some kind of cataclysm, man-made or natural, to decrease the worlds population by a significant margin.

    There are tons of cultural, religious and other obstacles in the way of your ideal Utopia.

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  • MJRuffalo said...

    I think it is extremely naive and idealistic to say these things won't be an issue. The world will become ideal after we reach a level of technology where humans no longer need to labor for food, energy, or housing, then we would need some kind of cataclysm, man-made or natural, to decrease the worlds population by a significant margin.

    There are tons of cultural, religious and other obstacles in the way of your ideal Utopia.

    You just somehow took my posts and turned me into a naive utopian predictor. Nice. I believe that radical Islam is the sole force that will war against human progress the longest and strongest. When most of the world is under spectacular, individualized health care, working 25 hours a week to make a purchasing power salary double what we do now, etc etc etc there will still be turban wearing loons living in caves piecing together nuclear bombs because "Allah wants them too"

    We will have MANY issues. I think we overcome them.

    fsufsu