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heatheatheat said...
Shaq Wiggins is a tremendous cover corner... Might be best out there. His side of field essentially was off limits in semis and championship game.
Ryan Green is a top notch RB... My top 3 based on complete skillet would be Tyren Jones, Ryan Green and Zeke Elliott with Kamara and Tenpenny close behind. I think a "TOP" RB today has to be able to do more than line up in the backfield and take the handoff...which these guys do very well but they are tremendous assets in passing game as well.
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heatheatheat said...
Shaq Wiggins is a tremendous cover corner... Might be best out there. His side of field essentially was off limits in semis and championship game.
Ryan Green is a top notch RB... My top 3 based on complete skillet would be Tyren Jones, Ryan Green and Zeke Elliott with Kamara and Tenpenny close behind. I think a "TOP" RB today has to be able to do more than line up in the backfield and take the handoff...which these guys do very well but they are tremendous assets in passing game as well.
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BamaBornDukie said...
Agree on the 1st 4 but what have you seen by Tenpenny besides a good SPARQ and being muscular/vascular?
I'm not saying he isn't top 5 potential RB but these sites put too much emphasis on SPARQ Scores and aesthetic appearance which is why guys like Ray Rice, MJD, Mark Ingram and Doug "The Muscle Hamster" Martin were all so underrated coming out of high school. Film/Game Performance coupled with level of competition should be 90% of the equation. You can assess RB pass-catching skills in camps but I have no idea how RBs get ratings bumps from camps.
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richardparker10 said...
I only saw the championship game but thought Woodard was dominant. He completely shut his guys down and came up with that nice interception. Ryan Green and Ezekiel Elliott will be multifaceted deadly weapons at the next level for sure. Steven Mitchell looks underrated, as well.
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BamaBornDukie said...
Agree on the 1st 4 but what have you seen by Tenpenny besides a good SPARQ and being muscular/vascular?
I'm not saying he isn't top 5 potential RB but these sites put too much emphasis on SPARQ Scores and aesthetic appearance which is why guys like Ray Rice, MJD, Mark Ingram and Doug "The Muscle Hamster" Martin were all so underrated coming out of high school. Film/Game Performance coupled with level of competition should be 90% of the equation. You can assess RB pass-catching skills in camps but I have no idea how RBs get ratings bumps from camps.
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Ducksworth said...
That's the point of the word "opinion"... Me personally, I trust the opinions of the 247 guys and will trust them on what they see. Obviously it's not 100%, so take it for what it's worth.
Also, I have never seen a rating of 11 before, congratulations.
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heatheatheat said...
Slippery slope argument here...I could very well say you put Tyren in Arkansas against that level of competition and he might have a 4000 yard, 50+ TD season...his OL was/is pretty good but he gained a ton of yards making guys miss at LOS and then using vision, elusiveness and power to do his damage
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RollTideBeast said...
I understand you love T.Jones, but one thing you have to take into consideration is his O-Line is one of the best in the Nation when the pads are on. Put a healthy Tenpenny behind them, he will have the same numbers as Jones, if not better..
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heatheatheat said...
I feel you on Tenpenny...I am in wait and see mode but all the experts are pumping his potential and that he is destined to be 5* star so I sort of am giving him the benefit of the doubt. But I do have a wait and see mode. I watched him coming out of the backfield and he did not look very comfortable catching the ball with his hands.
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kitemac said...
So BBD I know you have some clear opinions about 7 vs 7 and these type of camps. I remember you saying that certain positions don't matter at camps at all and shouldn't affect rankings of prospects at all. What positions should and should not be evaluated at these camps?
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BamaBornDukie said...
I think you can get a fairly good assessment of the skill level of QBs (Pro-Style), WRs, and DBs as the skills displayed in camp translate pretty well to the field.
You can also evaluate LBs in terms of pass defense skills. Can't really measure their physicality and ability to hold-up against the running game.
Typically, I don't think you can effectively evaluate OL/DL beyond athleticism. However, the Opening did have the guys [from states which allowed them to] compete in pads. Much better evaluation for lineman in pads.
You can evaluate RBs in terms of pass catching but some of the more physical RBs (Derrick Green, Fournette) can't really showcase their power/strength in this enviroment. Essentially, the primary objective of a RB is to avoid tackles either via speed, elusiveness, or strength/power....and thus the primary objective of a RB can't be evaluated in a camp setting without pads.
I do believe SPARQ gives an accurate assessment of an athletes "raw" athletic skills but raw athletic ability doesn't necessarily mean good football player. There is this dude in one of my flag football leagues that I know can run a hand-timed high 4.2x/electronically low 4.3x. Dude is muscular and shredded but he is NOT even 1 of the top 10 players in our flag football league as he can't catch and he lacks agility/shiftiness. Dude would beat everyone in our league in a SPARQ but he is not a great football player. Even in tackle football his "raw" athletic skill wouldn't translate favorably to the football field.
I do think All-Purpose RBs or RBs that show great ball/pass catching skills in a camp can get a bump as that skill directly translates onto the football. However, there is no way I'd bump a RB because of a SPARQ score as I know several "raw" freak athletes that are very skilled in terms of being a football player. I do think a high SPARQ from an unknown recruit should cause analysts to go back and re-evaluate a RBs film more closely but "raw" athleticism alone doesn't mean you can carry the rock at a high level.
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