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Seems like Americans do like more government

  • The sequester is hilarious. Shows just how worthless our government is, they literally out smarted themselves. Lol.

    And we could use the cuts, albeit the ax approach isn't the best it's the best we are going to get with the current idiot occupying the White House.

    TroyTide ●

  • I don't care about any of it anymore. I read a how to guide on tax evasion. You can too!

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    TheT12

  • TheT12 said...

    I don't care about any of it anymore. I read a how to guide on tax evasion. You can too!

    I am starting to get to that point to. The country has gone to hell and it seems the democrats have successfully altered the voting demographic to the point they will more or less control the country for decades, we are screwed. But I can't decide where would be a better place to go to just yet, I just know I don't want to raise my future family in this country and damn my descendants to life in this multi-cultural, broke-ass, liberal s****hole.

    The rise of nationalism in Europe is encouraging, maybe that will be an option if their left wing views one day cycle out.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by TroyTide on 2/25/2013 at 8:06 PM

    TroyTide ●

  • TheT12 said...

    I don't care about any of it anymore. I read a how to guide on tax evasion. You can too!

    What's funny is that raising taxes on the rich will just cause more people to figure out how to avoid paying taxes

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    Status ●

  • Status said...

    What's funny is that raising taxes on the rich will just cause more people to figure out how to avoid paying taxes

    That would be awesome. It's easier if you can manage a regular job and have a side business of some sort that generates decent chunks of cash.

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  • Status said...

    What's funny is that raising taxes on the rich will just cause more people to figure out how to avoid paying taxes

    And won't make a dent in the debt, the Dems have convinced themselves that taxes are the cure-all, they are just simply wrong. But you can't convince them of that, they will never see it another way no matter how anemic growth becomes, no matter how bad things get, they will never cut spending. Look at Dem cities like Detroit, that is where we are headed. Raising taxes is all they know.

    TroyTide ●

  • TheT12 said...

    That would be awesome. It's easier if you can manage a regular job and have a side business of some sort that generates decent chunks of cash.

    I was just thinking about that today. I might try to learn how to repair broken screens on smartphones. People will pay good money for that and it wouldn't be taxed.

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  • bhiley77 said...

    If you feel cuts are absolutely needed, this is the only way to do it. It shouldn't be that way, but sadly it is.

    It's not the only way. Blindly cutting funds is not the only way. It's a very bad way. We need politicians that decide to work for us not their party. I don't care about politics they need to care about America. Trim the fat not the muscle.

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    I was just thinking about that today. I might try to learn how to repair broken screens on smartphones. People will pay good money for that and it wouldn't be taxed.

    Lets say a person used to flip houses on the side and knew a lot of really talented carpenters who had no idea how to charge what they're worth because they always worked by the hour. This person meets/knows a lot of wealthy people who don't know how to find someone they can trust to do a high end cabana, deck, or pier. So, naturally, this person knows how to make 2+2=6 and 6-0 is still 6. All hypothetical, but you get the point.

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  • TroyTide clearly hates America.

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    "A political call, the fall guy accord...We can't afford to be neutral on a moving train..."

    BamaLivesFootba ●

  • kitemac said...

    It's not the only way. Blindly cutting funds is not the only way. It's a very bad way. We need politicians that decide to work for us not their party. I don't care about politics they need to care about America. Trim the fat not the muscle.

    I agree with this. If you and I can agree on politics, then politics must be a really effed up business biggrin

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  • kitemac said...

    It's not the only way. Blindly cutting funds is not the only way. It's a very bad way. We need politicians that decide to work for us not their party. I don't care about politics they need to care about America. Trim the fat not the muscle.

    It is the only way to get cuts sans tax increases under this President. There is no other way to do it. He won't agree to anything else.

    Besides it's not a blind as you think, the administration can move the cuts where they think they need to.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    TroyTide clearly hates America.

    Starting to yeah.

    TroyTide ●

  • bhiley77 said...

    Sure, sounds great on paper and I think everybody agrees. But we've gotten to the point where virtually ever dollar in the budget is somehow a sacred cow. The left won't let go of a dime of entitlement spending (and have carefully rehearsed arguments that cutting XYZ wouldn't make a dent anyway), and I'm sure the right won't let go of a dime of defense spending.

    Everybody likes to talk a big game about cutting spending, nobody does it. If you agree that spending needs to be cut, it's going to look like this. I don't see anything changing in our government.

    It's either this or it never gets cut, which according to some on this board is a good thing.

    Sequester! Sequester! Sequester!

    TroyTide ●

  • bhiley77 said...

    Sure, sounds great on paper and I think everybody agrees. But we've gotten to the point where virtually ever dollar in the budget is somehow a sacred cow. The left won't let go of a dime of entitlement spending (and have carefully rehearsed arguments that cutting XYZ wouldn't make a dent anyway), and I'm sure the right won't let go of a dime of defense spending.

    Everybody likes to talk a big game about cutting spending, nobody does it. If you agree that spending needs to be cut, it's going to look like this. I don't see anything changing in our government.

    Don't we pay them to figure out the decisions to make? Maybe their pay should be cut until they can make some hard decisions on how to exactly do it. I'm not talking just about Congress. The President is on this one too. Maybe the salaries for congress should be based on their approval rating. Sequestrations isn't going to help our country at all.

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  • It's called politics people. It's pretty obvious.

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    BamaLivesFootba ●

  • kitemac said...

    Don't we pay them to figure out the decisions to make? Maybe their pay should be cut until they can make some hard decisions on how to exactly do it. I'm not talking just about Congress. The President is on this one too. Maybe the salaries for congress should be based on their approval rating. Sequestrations isn't going to help our country at all.

    Congress has not passed a budget since 2009. This one task is the most basic of functions which Congree is bound by law to accomplish. The last time that we had a full-on, real-life federal budget that was signed into law, it was 1997. Bill Clinton was president, and Newt Gingrich was speaker of the House (and only on his second wife).

    Just think about that for a minute. The leaders of the most powerful nation in the world have become so corrupt, partisan and lazy that they can not pass a budget for our country to operate. That is insane and scary.

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  • bcbama said...

    Congress has not passed a budget since 2009. This one task is the most basic of functions which Congree is bound by law to accomplish. The last time that we had a full-on, real-life federal budget that was signed into law, it was 1997. Bill Clinton was president, and Newt Gingrich was speaker of the House (and only on his second wife).

    Just think about that for a minute. The leaders of the most powerful nation in the world have become so corrupt, partisan and lazy that they can not pass a budget for our country to operate. That is insane and scary.

    Point well made, but there is no law that says Congress has to pass a budget.

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    BamaLivesFootba ●

  • Puts me out of work one day a week. Not looking forward to it.

    I don't care what side you're on, congress and politicians need to get their crap together, and work for a better future, not strictly along party lines.

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    STOOBIE ●

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Point well made, but there is no law that says Congress has to pass a budget.

    Who cares? It should be done, period. It's stupid not to have a budget.

    TroyTide ●

  • bcbama said...

    Congress has not passed a budget since 2009. This one task is the most basic of functions which Congree is bound by law to accomplish. The last time that we had a full-on, real-life federal budget that was signed into law, it was 1997. Bill Clinton was president, and Newt Gingrich was speaker of the House (and only on his second wife).

    Just think about that for a minute. The leaders of the most powerful nation in the world have become so corrupt, partisan and lazy that they can not pass a budget for our country to operate. That is insane and scary.

    Pathetic and sad.

    Congress should have limits on terms also it seems...

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Point well made, but there is no law that says Congress has to pass a budget.

    Be that as it may, I think too much is brushed off as "being politics". There needs to be some sort of intervention of the people to correct the problem. I'm not talking about changing leadership (as much as I'd like that to happen). I'm talking about some type of intervention by the people to force resolutions on stalemates and bullsh*t. I have no idea what that would entail. I just feel like we're all held hostage by politicians who know how to circumvent the intent of the constitution for the purposes of the "party", mostly because they want to get re-elected or paid by some group that wants them to do it this way. Politics have been dirty for all of our lives, but I believe there was a time when the prosperity of the country was still the priority. I don't believe the Replublicans have all the answers, and I don't believe the dems have all the answers. I do believe that some of the principles and traits of dominant business management would be a step in the right direction. I say this because, in business, a big decision always has winners and losers. Politicians don't want to be held responsible by the losers. You simply cannot make a decision for over 300 million people without some losing and some winning. It has to be done for the greater good. If that means citizen X loses some money, citizen Y gets more benefits, and non-citizen resident goes back to his shanty in 3rd world South America...so be it.

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  • TroyTide said...

    Who cares? It should be done, period. It's stupid not to have a budget.

    You should care. It's

    A) sad that people don't actually know the law

    B) that the constitution is being misused for politics

    Congress makes law that create spending and revenue. Those two combine to make the general budget of US every fiscal year. The difference between that combination and the layman's budget is a budget assumes its balanced. It's an overrated concept.

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    BamaLivesFootba ●

  • TheT12 said...

    Be that as it may, I think too much is brushed off as "being politics". There needs to be some sort of intervention of the people to correct the problem. I'm not talking about changing leadership (as much as I'd like that to happen). I'm talking about some type of intervention by the people to force resolutions on stalemates and bullsh*t. I have no idea what that would entail. I just feel like we're all held hostage by politicians who know how to circumvent the intent of the constitution for the purposes of the "party", mostly because they want to get re-elected or paid by some group that wants them to do it this way. Politics have been dirty for all of our lives, but I believe there was a time when the prosperity of the country was still the priority. I don't believe the Replublicans have all the answers, and I don't believe the dems have all the answers. I do believe that some of the principles and traits of dominant business management would be a step in the right direction. I say this because, in business, a big decision always has winners and losers. Politicians don't want to be held responsible by the losers. You simply cannot make a decision for over 300 million people without some losing and some winning. It has to be done for the greater good. If that means citizen X loses some money, citizen Y gets more benefits, and non-citizen resident goes back to his shanty in 3rd world South America...so be it.

    Go push for a constitutional amendment then. Otherwise, keep the hot air blowing in another direction.

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    "A political call, the fall guy accord...We can't afford to be neutral on a moving train..."

    BamaLivesFootba ●

  • bhiley77 said...

    Politicians aren't under any pressure. Even with overall approval ratings for congress low, most individual congressmen have nothing to fear on election day, due to the trend in polls for people to hate everyone else's congressmen but like their own. The president of course has nothing to worry about. This is why the choice today is to either don't think we need cuts or accept this is about the only form they come in. I'm sure you can find a cable news channel that will bolster either position if you need to sell yourself on one or the other.

    There is a constitutional amendment(s) worth pushing:

    1) Term limits
    2) Manage/Rid gerrymandered districts

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    "A political call, the fall guy accord...We can't afford to be neutral on a moving train..."

    BamaLivesFootba ●

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