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gtownbuckeye said...
Can we have a real conversation about your boy Shane Morris?
Can some Mich fan (or anyone) tell me why Morris is a 5 star instead of why he doesn't suck. I already don't think Morris sucks. I think he has a really big arm, and is mobile for a pocket QB and that with his physical tools alone Morris is probably a low-mid 4 star prospect. But a 5 star? A top 25 player in the country? I don't think I've seen a top 100 player in the country out of him. A QB prospect with a big arm, but poor decision making and questionable accuracy is like a RB prospect with 4.4 speed, but has questionable vision and a fumbling problem. There's no guarantee that gets coached out of them.
I don't have a clue what kind of career he's going to have (cause lord knows these rankings and college/NFL production don't match up 1-1), but I can't see how his current rating as a high school prospect is justified. He has a big arm, but what else? Accuracy and decision making have been a question forever. Literally every all-star game or competition he's been in he's under performed (if he's really a 5 star player). His high school stats aren't impressive at all, particularly completion percentage. He was out basically all year (clearly not his fault, but is what it is), was having a poor year before he went out, and doesn't even have impressive junior year stats to hang his hat on.
Can anyone make the argument that this kid isn't currently over-ranked (I won't say overrated cause he gets slammed regularly). Not that he doesn't suck, but that he isn't over-ranked. And please don't hide behind, "Apparently you know better than every recruiting site..." like you've never looked at a prospect and had common sense tell you that you think the recruiting sites were wrong.
Morris has the tools to make all of the throws and he has shown that he can. The problem as you said is that he is inconsistent due to his accuracy and throwing motion. The throwing motion can be worked on with a redshirt year, and I'm assuming that the thought process is that his accuracy will improve along with his technique. As far as decision making goes, we will have to wait and see if that will improve when he has more time to throw the ball and become more familiar with the offense he'll be running in college.
Also, why not ask some of the 247 analysts for their thoughts? They know a lot more about his ranking than most of us.
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elmn12 said...
A lot of recruiting sites base the ranking on potential. And Morris has a ton of it. He can make every throw that you need to as a QB, but he's extremely inconsistent due to accuracy issues and his throwing mechanics. I think the assumption is that some of that will get cleaned up when he gets onto Michigan's campus.
Also, (even though opposing fans hate it when this is said) in high school Morris didn't exactly have a powerhouse squad around him which made it tough for him to have time to make throws.
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gtownbuckeye said...
Can we have a real conversation about your boy Shane Morris?
Can some Mich fan (or anyone) tell me why Morris is a 5 star instead of why he doesn't suck. I already don't think Morris sucks. I think he has a really big arm, and is mobile for a pocket QB and that with his physical tools alone Morris is probably a low-mid 4 star prospect. But a 5 star? A top 25 player in the country? I don't think I've seen a top 100 player in the country out of him. A QB prospect with a big arm, but poor decision making and questionable accuracy is like a RB prospect with 4.4 speed, but has questionable vision and a fumbling problem. There's no guarantee that gets coached out of them.
I don't have a clue what kind of career he's going to have (cause lord knows these rankings and college/NFL production don't match up 1-1), but I can't see how his current rating as a high school prospect is justified. He has a big arm, but what else? Accuracy and decision making have been a question forever. Literally every all-star game or competition he's been in he's under performed (if he's really a 5 star player). His high school stats aren't impressive at all, particularly completion percentage. He was out basically all year (clearly not his fault, but is what it is), was having a poor year before he went out, and doesn't even have impressive junior year stats to hang his hat on.
Can anyone make the argument that this kid isn't currently over-ranked (I won't say overrated cause he gets slammed regularly). Not that he doesn't suck, but that he isn't over-ranked. And please don't hide behind, "Apparently you know better than every recruiting site..." like you've never looked at a prospect and had common sense tell you that you think the recruiting sites were wrong.
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gtownbuckeye said...
But no recruiting site does ranking things COMPLETELY on potential. There is always a production element to it as well. No site just takes measurables like height, weight, speed, velocity, agility and pop out a player ranking. He can physically make all the throws, but he frankly he usually doesn't. My question to you is do you think that the physical tools he has + body of work through high school = top 25 high school recruit in the country right now.
I think he did well enough in high school considering the team he was on.
Also, it wasn't like the UA game had any standout QB's (because I'm assuming that's why you brought this up).hownowbrowncow
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gtownbuckeye said...
Um... panic is probably not the word to use in how I feel about the prospect of Morris being Mich's QB, but I'll leave that at that. Also, do you have an argument as to why he isn't over-ranked?
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gtownbuckeye said...
I brought it up cause the convo in the thread last night of "Morris sucks" vs. "He doesn't suck" made me curious as to what people really thought and there was no point in joining in last night since it there was no chance of it being anything but trash talking from the jump. But it's not just his performance in the UA game that came to mind, but the Opening, Rivals Challenge, Elite 11, etc... and the practices for all these events too. I just feel like he has never had an elite showing to go with his elite ranking. Never.
to me "well enough in high school considering the team he was on" doesn't scream 5 star especially since he wasn't great in any other setting either. It doesn't seem like it screams that to you either.
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I think he's underranked, but that's irrelevant. Rankings don't matter. You will not have to line up across from his ranking coming out of HS two years from now. You will have to line up across from him after two years further honing his skills at Michigan. He will be a much better player by then. So whatever you think of him now, it's a moving target and he's only going to get better. And you clearly already think enough about him to start this thread. That tells me you are worried. You should be. He is going to be a very good college QB playing behind one of the best OLs in the country. Throw in a handful of very good RBs and WRs/TEs and a top 10 D and we are going to be one of the best teams in the country. Ignore and/or mock what Hoke is building in AA at your own peril. You did the same thing with Belein and our hoops program and look how that turned out. In any event, good luck with your spread offense and Luke Fickell in charge of your D. You are going to need it.
This post is going to derail this thread.
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MrWoodson said...
I think he's underranked, but that's irrelevant. Rankings don't matter. You will not have to line up across from his ranking coming out of HS two years from now. You will have to line up across from him after two years further honing his skills at Michigan. He will be a much better player by then. So whatever you think of him now, it's a moving target and he's only going to get better. And you clearly already think enough about him to start this thread. That tells me you are worried. You should be. He is going to be a very good college QB playing behind one of the best OLs in the country. Throw in a handful of very good RBs and WRs/TEs and a top 10 D and we are going to be one of the best teams in the country. Ignore and/or mock what Hoke is building in AA at your own peril. You did the same thing with Belein and our hoops program and look how that turned out. In any event, good luck with your spread offense and Luke Fickell in charge of your D. You are going to need it.
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