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Dozens of pictures(that have already been released), receipts and bank statements(whether you think they are proof or not), and corroborating testimony(ie. the owner of the suit shop), and this is only what has been released to the public as of yet. According to the NCAA's report Lloyd Lake had a single picture which showed absolutely nothing, a 1min phone call which is believed was a voicemail, zero receipts/bank or cc statements/etc, and his one corroborating witness(his GF) was proven to have lied(or "misspoken").

We do know that the NCAA chose to accept all of Lake's circumstantial evidence as fact and believe him over McNair, and they are now being sued by McNair because of it. Remains to be seen how much of what Shapiro has presented they CHOOSE to believe.

ILOVELAMP posted false statments and admitted he had no clue what he was talking about, yet continued to argue.

Read the report and you have your answer. Nobody is questioning Bush received benefits, the connection to USC is what was in question and the only evidence was a single picture and a phone record for 1:04 that was almost assuredly a voicemail...oh, and Lake's girlfriend who was shown to have lied. Don't believe me, read the report for yourself.

Funny...there are many subjects I don't care much about, but I certainly care about not playing the dumbass by remarking about something I know absolutely nothing about. Stupidity cannot be helped, ignorance is by choice.

As to your last point....really?

Everybody knows you cheated bro

Comparing the two scandals is pointless. The COI doesn't reference past decisions when making judgments. Whatever happened between SoCal and the COI is irrelevant.

I guess it matters to you because your bitter over the way they treated your program and you want to see them hamstring/tarnish someone else's.

You bring up the SoCal scandal and say that is grounds for how they will treat Miami. Well, I can bring up the Scam Newton scandal and say that is grounds for how they will treat Miami. Two completely different outcomes.

As to the proof you brought up, the photos and bank statements have already been discussed ad nauseum so I'll leave those alone. As for the "owner of suit shop" claim. Shelly Bloom has stated that NCAA has not contacted him and furthermore he has disputed the information about him that was included in the Yoo-Hoo article.

So to recap: 1.) The NCAA hasn't contacted the "owner of the suit shop" so does his information even matter? 2.) He has made statements that contradict what was written about him in the Robinson article so if he was contacted by the NCAA a.) would he entertain them and b.) would he speak to wrongdoing on the part of the school/players?

Again, I don't know about/care what when down between SoCal and the COI because it has no bearing on future judgments.

Easy. Three words: Should have known. SC received the second harshest snactions in college football history not because they were found guilty of ever knowing about Reggie Bush's situation, but the NCAA said that they should have known. Applying the same logic, Miami should have known about Shapiro, right? I will say this though, Miami may catch a break because the NCAA treats each and every case differently. No consistency whatsoever.

LOL, stoptothink is blowing you out of the water right now. That's EXACTLY what the NCAA used to pin McNair to Lake, and therefore USC to Lake.

From the NCAA Official Site:

Championship History

Year Champion Selecting Organization
2011 Alabama BCS
2010 Auburn BCS
2009 Alabama BCS
2008 Florida BCS
2007 Louisiana State BCS
2006 Florida BCS
2005 Texas BCS
2004 Southern California BCS
2003 Louisiana State, Southern California BCS, AP, FWAA
2002 Ohio State BCS
2001 Miami (Fla.) BCS
2000 Oklahoma BCS
1999 Florida State BCS
1998 Tennessee BCS
1997 Michigan, Nebraska AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/ESPN
1996 Florida AP, FWAA, NFF,USA/CNN
1995 Nebraska AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1994 Nebraska AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1993 Florida St. AP, FWAA,NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1992 Alabama AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1991 Washington, Miami (Fla.) FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI,AP
1990 Colorado, Georgia Tech FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, AP, UPI
1989 Miami (Fla.) AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1988 Notre Dame AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1987 Miami (Fla.) AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1986 Penn St. AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1985 Oklahoma AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1984 Brigham Young AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1983 Miami (Fla.) AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1982 Penn St. AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1981 Clemson AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1980 Georgia AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1979 Alabama AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1978 Alabama, Southern California AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1977 Notre Dame AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1976 Pittsburgh AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1975 Oklahoma AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1974 Southern California, Oklahoma FWAA, NFF, UPI, AP
1973 Notre Dame, Alabama AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1972 Southern California AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1971 Nebraska AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1970 Nebraska, Texas, Ohio St. AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI, NFF
1969 Texas AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1968 Ohio St. AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1967 Southern California AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1966 Notre Dame, Michigan St. AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI, NFF
1965 Michigan St., Alabama FWAA, NFF, UPI, AP
1964 Alabama, Arkansas, Notre Dame AP, UPI, FWAA, NFF
1963 Texas AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1962 Southern California AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1961 Alabama, Ohio St. AP, NFF, UPI, FWAA
1960 Minnesota, Mississippi AP, NFF, UPI, FWAA
1959 Syracuse AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1958 LSU, Iowa AP, UPI, FWAA
1957 Ohio St., Auburn FWAA, UPI, AP
1956 Oklahoma AP, FWAA, UPI
1955 Oklahoma AP, FWAA, UPI
1954 UCLA, Ohio St. FWAA, UPI, AP
1953 Maryland AP, UPI
1952 Michigan St. AP, UPI
1951 Tennessee AP, UPI
1950 Oklahoma AP, UPI
1949 Notre Dame AP
1948 Michigan AP
1947 Notre Dame AP
1946 Notre Dame AP
1945 Army AP
1944 Army AP
1943 Notre Dame AP
1942 Ohio St. AP
1941 Minnesota AP
1940 Minnesota AP
1939 Texas A&M AP
1938 Texas Christian AP
1937 Pittsburgh AP
1936 Minnesota AP
1935 Minnesota CFRA, HAF, NCF
1934 Minnesota CFRA, HAF, NCF
1933 Michigan CFRA, HAF, NCF
1932 Southern California CFRA, HAF, NCF
1931 Southern California CFRA, HAF, NCF
1930 Alabama, Notre Dame CFRA, HAF, NCF
1929 Notre Dame CFRA, HAF, NCF
1928 Georgia Tech. CFRA, HAF, NCF
1927 Illinois, Yale HAF, NCF, CFRA
1926 Alabama, Stanford CFRA, HAF, NCF, HAF
1925 Alabama CFRA, HAF, NCF
1924 Notre Dame CFRA, HAF, NCF
1923 Illinois, Michigan CFRA, HAF, NCF, NCF
1922 California, Cornell Princeton, NCF, HAF, CFRA, NCF
1921 California, Cornell CFRA, NCF, HAF
1920 California CFRA, HAF, NCF
1919 Harvard, Illinois, Notre Dame, Texas A&M CFRA, HAF, NCF, CFRA, NCF, NCF
1918 Michigan, Pittsburg NCF, HAF, NCF
1917 Georgia Tech. HAF, NCF
1916 Pittsburgh HAF, NCF
1915 Cornell HAF, NCF
1914 Army HAF, NCF
1913 Harvard HAF, NCF
1912 Harvard, Penn St. HAF, NCF, NCF
1911 Penn St., Princeton NCF, HAF, NCF
1910 Harvard, Pittsburgh HAF, NCF, NCF
1909 Yale HAF, NCF
1908 LSU, Pennsylvania NCF, HAF, NCF
1907 Yale HAF, NCF
1906 Princeton HAF, NCF
1905 Chicago HAF, NCF
1904 Michigan, Pennsylvania NCF, HAF, NCF
1903 Michigan, Princeton NCF, HAF, NCF
1902 Michigan HAF, NCF
1901 Michigan HAF, NCF
1900 Yale HAF, NCF
1899 Harvard HAF, NCF
1898 Harvard HAF, NCF
1897 Pennsylvania HAF, NCF
1896 Lafayette, Princeton NCF, HAF, NCF
1895 Pennsylvania HAF, NCF
1894 Yale HAF, NCF
1893 Princeton HAF, NCF
1892 Yale HAF, NCF
1891 Yale HAF, NCF
1890 Harvard HAF, NCF
1889 Princeton HAF, NCF
1888 Yale HAF, NCF
1887 Yale HAF, NCF
1886 Yale HAF, NCF
1885 Princeton HAF, NCF
1884 Yale HAF, NCF
1883 Yale HAF, NCF
1882 Yale NCF,1881, Yale,NCF
1880 Princeton, Yale NCF, NCF
1879 Princeton NCF
1878 Princeton NCF
1877 Yale NCF
1876 Yale NCF
1875 Harvard NCF
1874 Yale NCF
1873 Princeton NCF
1872 Princeton NCF
1871 None selected NCF
1870 Princeton NCF
1869 Princeton NCF

A worthless piece of glass, or a bronze statue does not take away from the actual game played in the 2005 National Championship game. My DVD of the game, and all the souvenirs did not magically disappear because the BCS says so. It was still 55-19.

For the most part I agree with you. I don't think the COI is going to do shat to Miami because of any wrong doings by Dee toward USC.

What I do think all football fans should be upset about is that Dee was the AD at Miami when Shapiro was running game. He then sanctimoniously shook his finger at USC about how we should have known. Well then, so should Dee. The problem is the entire system set up within the NCAA to investigate and then judge member institutions and those bylaws effect everyone. If they are unfair to one, then there is no justice for any.

No COI for a school under investigation should have members who are within that same conference or who are regular rivals. The head of any COI should not be from a member school with prior violations or sanctions. In fact, the NCAA should have an outside organization doing the entire thing so as not to give the impression of favorability or inside payoffs.

Well, that explains it.

It's in my mind, and apparently it was in the NCAA's mind as well as everyone on the COI's mind when they didn't allow McNair to confront his accuser during their "investigation." This was the backbone for their case against USC. As someone who has read the report and followed the entire story, I'm sure you would have recognized that. Something else that would have jumped off the page is how Paul Dees spent a lot of time re-writing the appeals process to make it more difficult. Might want to talk to that lady who appeared before congress adamently explaining how the NCAA offers due process.

And yes, I am butt hurt over that sasquatch presiding over the COI when the investigation took place, because the guy had no business being in that position. Especially after the Pell Grant fraud among other things. Tell me, how did Pell Grant Paul Deez come up with the 30 scholarship reduction?

I personally don't care if the NCAA gives UM the death penalty or lets them slide. All I care about is that we all expose the garbage that is the NCAA, and you would rather suck their balls instead..

You got me all wrong Gus.

I never claimed to have followed the SoCal saga because I didn't follow the SoCal saga.

None of what you said fortifies the position that Paul Dee's past role with the COI will have an impact on the UM saga.
Your entire diatribe is about the past and how Dee dropped a deuce on the deucers. It has nothing to do with the present.
Which was the point I was driving at.

I have never insinuated that I hold the NCAA in high regard. In fact, I personally think they are a bunch self-righteous puds.

Suck on those balls, brah.