The Blue Board

Ok, maybe you're right. Maybe there are emails I haven't read. Can you quote the text of one and tell me why it proves JoePa was intimately involved in a cover-up or was the chief decision maker in a cover-up?

New emails have come out lately that suggest he knew about it and wanted to downplay it for Sandusky.

BTW I think all of the PSU fans have been pretty good about all of this. Most of them know that their people in charge failed them. They defended JoePa on what they knew as facts. Most fans would protect a beloved member of their school until facts came out.

Yes.

You cannot possibly be serious.

When the plan is to speak with Sandusky, inform Second Mile, and report to the Department of Welfare and things change the next day AFTER Paterno is consulted, its clear he was instrumental in hiding it.

Go read the reports. The term smoking gun fits perfectly. He was covering his old ass.

Saying the emails "suggest" something is very different than saying they "prove" something. Curley and Schultz gave testimony to the grand jury. For all I know, one or both testified at Sandusky's trial. Is there anything in their testimony where they say JoePa told them not to go to the authorities? Or even that he asked or encouraged them not to do so? Paterno was in his mid 80s. He could barely keep on top of what was going on with the football program week to week. And the allegations involved an assistant coach who had retired 10 years earlier. It seems very reasonable that, as he said, he reported the matter to superiors who he thought would fully investigate it and handle it properly based on the outcome of the investigation. Clearly that wasn't enough. JoePa publicly said, in hindsight, he wished he did more. But that's a huge difference from saying he knew what was going on for years and actively worked to cover it up.

Read the article I linked.

Curley clearly states that he spoke with Joe and is hesitant to include anyone else as previously planned. Why the hell would be change his mind after speaking with Paterno if Paterno was all for taking the report to the authorities?

Come on, you cannot be that daft.

No, it doesn't. But we we need to be honest about what we know as fact and what we are simply assuming to be true. Much of what I see people throwing around as fact is merely opinion and supposition.

It is the court of public opinion.

What we know as FACT:

1. McQueary reported what he saw to Paterno.
2. Paterno reported what he was told.
3. McQueary spoke with school officials higher up.
4. Spanier, Schultz, and Curley emailed about the proper action and decided what they would do.
5. Curley discussed their decision with Paterno (as stated in the email sent the following night)

6. (This is the big one) Curley suggests a new plan of just taking their knowledge to Sandusky and leaving everyone else out of it. The quote, IIRC, was "After speaking with Joe, I am uncomfortable involving (maybe including) anyone else at this time." ~~~wtf?!

Sooooo, where are you getting lost? They were going to do the right thing (late, yes) until Curley consulted Paterno. Sure it's supposition but it certainly isn't far fetched to think Paterno "suggested" to his little puppet that they not proceed as previously planned.

You are assuming causation. I don't know what caused Curley to have second thoughts, but one way to find out is to ask him. And Schultz and Spanier. Maybe Curley asked Paterno to recite again the version of the incident McQueary had told him and he became uncomfortable because the three versions McQueary had told him, Schultz and Paterno didn't match up. Or maybe something else caused Curley to hesitate going to the authorities. You can't just assume it was a directive from Paterno. Well, you can, but that's all it is ... an assumption.

no you rename it for an honorable person... don't be dumb

You do realize that Paterno was the one who donated the money to build the library...right?

It's best to know what you're talking about to avoid looking like an idiot.

My point is that Joe was not perfect. He used poor judgement regarding Sandusky and his reputation will be hurt. But you don't throw out all the good things he did too.

By your logic I guess we should tear down all WWII memorials because of the soldiers that raped civilians on the Japanese islands.