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Should we eliminate the electoral college

  • GONIG BUCK said...

    What's that?

    They buy land from willing sellers and turn them into public lands. The goal is to continue to get more public ("wild") spaces in the state. They are not funded by taxpayers.

    This post was edited by sf2k4 on 11/5/2012 at 8:38 PM

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    One of the less controversial amendments tomorrow for us Alabamians.

    Dang, looks like the site is overloaded.

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  • MarineMountie said...

    Doesn't matter the reason. The candidate with the most votes should win, period. Its who the people wants. The people wanted Al Gore in 2000. More people voted for Gore than Bush, yet Bush won?

    Yea, makes plenty of sense.

    I know, just responding to the "it shouldn't be this difficult" part of your post. That's all.

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  • GONIG BUCK said...

    Dang, looks like the site is overloaded.

    How about this one?

    A yes vote extends the Forever Wild Land Trust program for another 20 years.

    Alabama’s Forever Wild Program

    Alabama’s Forever Wild Program

    www.outdooralabama.com
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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    How about this one?

    A yes vote extends the Forever Wild Land Trust program for another 20 years.

    Why would anyone vote against that? Great proposal, IMO.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    I know, just responding to the "it shouldn't be this difficult" part of your post. That's all.

    I mean, I'm going to go vote tomorrow, because I'm in a state that is undecided at the moment. I still hate how the system is setup though.

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  • GONIG BUCK said...

    Why would anyone vote against that? Great proposal, IMO.

    Some people (thankfully very few) see no need to protect the wild. It's nothing but prime real estate to them.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    To be fair, It's for a reason. They didn't just pick it out of this air.

    But the reason is defunct! People are generally more educated than when it was created and the votes generally go the way people vote ( can't remember an EC voter who disregarded the way he/she was supposed to vote and went the other way- though I'm only 24).

    It really hurts voter turnout in areas that are guaranteed red or blue.

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  • Personally, I'd like to hold a new Constitutional Convention to add some new amendments and discuss some changes we can make to the federal government as a whole. The electoral college would be just one of many things that need to be discussed.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Personally, I'd like to hold a new Constitutional Convention to add some new amendments and discuss some changes we can make to the federal government as a whole. The electoral college would be just one of many things that need to be discussed.

    Speaking of Constituions, I wish we could hold a vote to throw out Alabama's and it's one billion amendments and just rewrite the damn thing.

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  • sf2k4 said...

    Speaking of Constituions, I wish we could hold a vote to throw out Alabama's and it's one billion amendments and just rewrite the damn thing.

    Indeed

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  • ilovelamp51 said...

    Should have been popular vote all along IMO.. and my vote should count for two. biggrin

    But then we would have never had Bush...

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  • I just had the scariest thought. Eight years of Al Gore in the White House.

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  • Ohio Tider said...

    I just had the scariest thought. Eight years of Al Gore in the White House.

    That is who the people wanted. He got more votes than Bush.

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  • Ohio Tider said...

    I just had the scariest thought. Eight years of Al Gore in the White House.

    We'd be a utopia by now.

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  • People vote against it by the govt can't pay for it without raiding our states trust fund that is supposed to be there for more important issues. Before the last vote we made millions off the trust now it is being raided and will be out of cash eventually. damn shame people are so near sighted.

    ogattny

  • ogattny said...

    People vote against it by the govt can't pay for it without raiding our states trust fund that is supposed to be there for more important issues. Before the last vote we made millions off the trust now it is being raided and will be out of cash eventually. damn shame people are so near sighted.

    Do you mind clarifying this?

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  • People that want the end of the electoral college and to start going by popular vote are the same idiots that actually have no idea what a republic is.

    The electoral college is in place for a very important reason....without it, the smaller states would effectively see their representation in the national elections approach zero.

    Issues that concern Alaska, Wyoming, etc. would never be important to presidential candidates.....issues that concern Los Angeles, new york, etc. would be the only thing that mattered.

    There would be no representation for supposed members of the Union.

    The electoral college gives these smaller population states a greater say (based on per capita) in the election due to the fact that every state starts with a minimum of 3 votes.....The voting power of a citizen of Alaska is nearly 3 times the voting power of a citizen of California despite the fact California has nearly 20 times more electoral votes.

    This post was edited by coolstorybro on 11/5/2012 at 10:00 PM

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  • The money being used to potentially fund this program along with various others ( as of the last vote) was to raid the state trust fund which held about a billion from bonus payments for off shore oil leases.

    No one knew how to best spend the money so they put it in trust for our future and planned to use the interest to pay off various debts (which we did). The plan was to use 90% of the interest to provide Alabama with much needed sustainable revenue and rainy day funds for education and something else.

    There was a vote about a month ago in which Alabamans voted to open this trust up to pay for prisons and other things. At about 1/3 of the trusts value. The vote tomorrow is to take another 10% out of the trust for forever wild which is a nice program however not a Program in which a state like Alabama with many needs should spend its limited resources.

    What will end up happening is that this billion dollar fund will be wasted programs that are not sustainable and we will look back In 30 years and realize we wasted a billion dollars. I have more info if you are still curious.

    This post was edited by ogattny on 11/5/2012 at 10:11 PM

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  • MarineMountie said...

    It should be popular vote. Whoever gets the most votes from the people wins. It really shouldn't be this difficult.

    Electoral college was put in place so presidential candidates have to campaign in almost all the states. Popular vote they would more or less just campaign along the coasts. Out founding fathers were genius.

    lestat

  • coolstorybro said...

    People that want the end of the electoral college and to start going by popular vote are the same idiots that actually have no idea what a republic is.

    The electoral college is in place for a very important reason....without it, the smaller states would effectively see their representation in the national elections approach zero.

    Issues that concern Alaska, Wyoming, etc. would never be important to presidential candidates.....issues that concern Los Angeles, new york, etc. would be the only thing that mattered.

    There would be no representation for supposed members of the Union.

    The electoral college gives these smaller population states a greater say (based on per capita) in the election due to the fact that every state starts with a minimum of 3 votes.....The voting power of a citizen of Alaska is nearly 3 times the voting power of a citizen of California despite the fact California has nearly 20 times more electoral votes.

    Stop leeching off of our big city tits IMO. Voter welfare

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  • The electoral college was introduced because of slavery representation.

    Madison actually wanted popular vote so it wasn't consensus with the FF.

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  • bhiley77 said...

    I sort of like the model that a few states use by which their electoral votes are divided by popular vote. Maine, and one of the southwestern states I can't place.

    They should definitely do that in CA and NY. whistling

    Nebraska.

    And it would be great if all states did that. IMO it would solve the problems with both the popular vote and the electoral college. Small states would still be important, and people who live in states that lean heavy one way or the other, their votes would matter. For instance BLF's vote for Obama today might actually mean something in Alabama.

    TroyTide

  • lestat said...

    Electoral college was put in place so presidential candidates have to campaign in almost all the states.

    No they don't. They basically have to campaign in Ohio.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    There are other things to vote for tomorrow besides the president.

    It is always nice to find some common ground with someone on the other end of the political spectrum. I did 5 submarine patrols when I was active duty and now am in Afghanistan as a member of the guard. I get infuriated with those who say it is too hard to vote or don't bother for X reason.

    As for the OP, one giant HELL NO. People forget that we are a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy (not a pure one). If it were not for the EC, the campaigns and thus the presidents wouldn't give 2 rat's rears about small states and rural areas. They would focus on population centers in order to max their chances of topping the popular vote. While we are at it, we should ammend the constitution to repeal the 17th amendment (the direct election of Senators). Senators were originally elected by their respective state legislature. We need to strengthen the rights of states and push most gov't programs down to the local level. What is good for a rancher in Montana is not likely the best idea for a an architect in NYC.

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