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Should we eliminate the electoral college

  • menichols74 said...

    As for the OP, one giant HELL NO. People forget that we are a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy (not a pure one). If it were not for the EC, the campaigns and thus the presidents wouldn't give 2 rat's rears about small states and rural areas. They would focus on population centers in order to max their chances of topping the popular vote. While we are at it, we should ammend the constitution to repeal the 17th amendment (the direct election of Senators). Senators were originally elected by their respective state legislature. We need to strengthen the rights of states and push most gov't programs down to the local level. What is good for a rancher in Montana is not likely the best idea for a an architect in NYC.

    Have you paid attention to elections in recent years? Under the electoral college model, the candidates spend all their time and money in 7 or 8 states because the rest of the states are guaranteed to vote a certain way. Almost all of the southern states (Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Texas, etc.) are guaranteed to vote republican. Almost all the states in the northeast (New York, New Jersey, Mass, etc) are guaranteed to vote democratic

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  • coolstorybro said...

    People that want the end of the electoral college and to start going by popular vote are the same idiots that actually have no idea what a republic is.

    The electoral college is in place for a very important reason....without it, the smaller states would effectively see their representation in the national elections approach zero.

    Issues that concern Alaska, Wyoming, etc. would never be important to presidential candidates.....issues that concern Los Angeles, new york, etc. would be the only thing that mattered.

    There would be no representation for supposed members of the Union.

    The electoral college gives these smaller population states a greater say (based on per capita) in the election due to the fact that every state starts with a minimum of 3 votes.....The voting power of a citizen of Alaska is nearly 3 times the voting power of a citizen of California despite the fact California has nearly 20 times more electoral votes.

    Yes because candidates spend so much of their time campaigning in Alaska and Wyoming under the electoral college model. Geez! With the popular vote model, candidates would ignore certain states at their own peril. Under the electoral college model, candidates know they can ignore 90 percent of the states and not pay a price for it

    This post was edited by aubie25 on 11/6/2012 at 6:18 AM

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  • aubie25 said...

    Have you paid attention to elections in recent years? Under the electoral college model, the candidates spend all their time and money in 7 or 8 states because the rest of the states are guaranteed to vote a certain way. Almost all of the southern states (Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Texas, etc.) are guaranteed to vote republican. Almost all the states in the northeast (New York, New Jersey, Mass, etc) are guaranteed to vote democratic

    I understand that, but I don't want the candidates to pander to the cities only (population centers). That is just as bad if not worse. I don't have the full-proof answer, but much like instant replay, the electoral college stands (nowhere near the amount of support needed for an amendment to get rid of it).

    The best solution is to get viable 3rd party candidates, but in order to do that people must start voting them in at the local level. I would love it if I could choose b/n 5 guys/gals in the election and they have a run-off if nobody gets the magical 217 in the EC. WIth viable 3rd/4th parties, candidates would be forced to campaign in every state (granted the lib candidates would focus on CA and the conservatives would focus on TX...), but they would still get focus across the board. What if 2 more liberal candidates were the top two. Imagine their run-off debates/ads in TX, AL,... This would also force the politiicians to work together to get things done as no one party would likely be able to do anything on their own. If things were like this (gridlock) b/f we had 1000s of laws/regs and over 70K pages in the IRS tax code, then I'd love gridlock (Feds shouldn't do much anyway - see Art 1 Sect 8).

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  • aubie25 said...

    Yes because candidates spend so much of their time campaigning in Alaska and Wyoming under the electoral college model. Geez! With the popular vote model, candidates would ignore certain states at their own peril. Under the electoral college model, candidates know they can ignore 90 percent of the states and not pay a price for it

    no one said anything about campaigning.

    with a popular vote....candidates wouldn't even worry about any issue that presses small population states. they wouldn't even care because there is relatively no benefit to winning that faction of voters.

    the candidates would solely pander to issues that affect large metropolitan cities.

    Also, another main reason we do not use a popular vote is because we are not a democracy....we are a republic.

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  • coolstorybro said...

    no one said anything about campaigning.

    with a popular vote....candidates wouldn't even worry about any issue that presses small population states. they wouldn't even care because there is relatively no benefit to winning that faction of voters.

    the candidates would solely pander to issues that affect large metropolitan cities.

    Also, another main reason we do not use a popular vote is because we are not a democracy....we are a republic.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^Most of this jibberish makes no sense. Under the electoral college, politicians have no reason to care about certain states because they have no chance of winning those states anyway. The bottom line is truly every vote would mean something under a popular vote scenario. Every vote does not mean something in an electoral college model

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by aubie25 on 11/6/2012 at 8:45 AM

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  • GONIG BUCK said...

    Why would anyone vote against that? Great proposal, IMO.

    Because it is making a choice to spend money on something when money is low. I am voting for it though because I think it will save in the long run. Spending and preserving now is a lot cheaper than paying to restore later. Ask Louisiana about that.

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