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Should welfare recipients have to pass a urine drug test

  • Hoos500 said...

    Once someone loses their money source, they must find a new way to make a living. People living off of Welfare aren't trained workers that can easily go out and find a well paying job. I'm sure a lot of people would turn to either selling drugs or prostitution. Those are two illegal professions in which you can make more money than working two part time jobs. Ultimately, it'll probably end with more people in our prisons and a larger bill to the tax payers.

    Which would lead to less gun control. I like this plan.

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  • TP30 said...

    Which would lead to less gun control. I like this plan.

    Except neither of the two gunman in the last two shootings were welfare recipients.

    Hoos500

  • Hoos500 said...

    Except neither of the two gunman in the last two shootings were welfare recipients.

    No,no,no........crime goes up, Government loosens gun laws so paying citizens can shoot more criminals.

    This post was edited by DrStache on 8/15/2012 at 6:23 PM

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  • Who pays for testing? Seems like an unnecessary cost.

    What percentage of welfare recipients use drugs?

    Many of them work 40hours a week on a farm or some minimum wage job. I doubt 70-90% of them shoot up each week.

    Other than weed, what drugs stay in your system for more than 3-4 days? If testing is on a given date, its seems rather easy to pass the test. I imagine random testing would be a violation of civil rights/ACLU lawsuit so they would know in advance what day they would need to take the test.

    Should everyone in America that receives a subsidy from the government be subjected to such testing?

    If so then almost every taxpayer in America would be required to submit to testing. Because according to Simpson-Bowles, tax credits and subsidies are taking over $1.1 TRILLION from federal receipts each year. This is a substantially larger number than "welfare spending" or foodstamps (foodstamps are only around $66 billion annually I think)

    Maybe requiring people to pick up their checks each month in person would help. I imagine the people that couldn't pass a drug test they knew about in advance would "look" like addicts. It might be cheaper to have a government employee selectively screen recipients instead of spending millions drug testing the entire population of welfare users.

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  • rms02d said...

    Who pays for testing? Seems like an unnecessary cost.

    What percentage of welfare recipients use drugs?

    Many of them work 40hours a week on a farm or some minimum wage job. I doubt 70-90% of them shoot up each week.

    Other than weed, what drugs stay in your system for more than 3-4 days? If testing is on a given date, its seems rather easy to pass the test. I imagine random testing would be a violation of civil rights/ACLU lawsuit so they would know in advance what day they would need to take the test.

    Should everyone in America that receives a subsidy from the government be subjected to such testing?

    If so then almost every taxpayer in America would be required to submit to testing. Because according to Simpson-Bowles, tax credits and subsidies are taking over $1.1 TRILLION from federal receipts each year. This is a substantially larger number than "welfare spending" or foodstamps (foodstamps are only around $66 billion annually I think)

    Maybe requiring people to pick up their checks each month in person would help. I imagine the people that couldn't pass a drug test they knew about in advance would "look" like addicts. It might be cheaper to have a government employee selectively screen recipients instead of spending millions drug testing the entire population of welfare users.

    Hmmm profiling say you?

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  • TP30 said...

    Is that not a fair question? Seriously? Is it unconstitutional?

    Are you also wanting to legalize drugs?

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  • Only a fool fails a drug test with all the synthetic urine on the market headslap
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    This post was edited by TRUxBLUxFAN on 8/15/2012 at 7:01 PM

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  • TRUxBLUxFAN said...

    Only a fool fails a drug test with all the synthetic urine on the market headslap
    http://ultraklean.com/proddetail.php?prod=185

    You pointing at LSU?

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  • In short, yes.

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  • So those that say yes, can you explain why you would still say yes despite the fact that the NYT and the Miami Herald have reported on the cost of Florida's testing that have yielded such minimal results?

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  • bhiley77 said...

    See, what you're describing is the results of dependency. You're referring to a class of people who literally can do nothing but cash welfare checks or commit crimes. And worse, you seem to just sort of shrug it off. This isn't the natural state of society, this is what happens when the "safety net" becomes a security blanket.

    I'm not shrugging it off by any means. I just don't think drug testing is going to immediately solve the problem. This is a problem that goes much deeper than drug testing. We need better paying jobs for untrained workers. We need to better educate our youth so we don't have as many untrained workers. It's a complicated problem that isn't going to be solved by a simple solution.

    Hoos500

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    So those that say yes, can you explain why you would still say yes despite the fact that the NYT and the Miami Herald have reported on the cost of Florida's testing that have yielded such minimal results?

    Not really going into politics, its more of a personal feeling, I don't think you should receive funding from the government if you can afford drugs.

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  • AuburnInOrlando said...

    Not really going into politics, its more of a personal feeling, I don't think you should receive funding from the government if you can afford drugs.

    Does the same apply to corporations? Do corporations deserve tax cuts and subsidies when they make millions and billions a year?

    Hoos500

  • Hoos500 said...

    Does the same apply to corporations? Do corporations deserve tax cuts and subsidies when they make millions and billions a year?

    Corporations actually are productive to society.

    White trash families who have babies for more money aren't.

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  • Hoos500 said...

    Does the same apply to corporations? Do corporations deserve tax cuts and subsidies when they make millions and billions a year?

    It applies to anyone who receives money from the government that engages in illegal drug use.

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  • bhiley77 said...

    Another person who wants more jobs but doesn't seem to understand where jobs come from.

    I was just asking a question. I never said corporations don't deserve tax breaks or subsidies. If a corporation is going to create decent paying jobs with benefits then I'm all for tax breaks or subsidies. Unfortunately, corporations haven't been doing that over the past few years. Record profits haven't been resulting in job creation.

    Hoos500

  • TP30 said...

    To receive that gov check since most workers paying for welfare have to pass one to keep the job that pays for welfare?

    Which workers have to take a urine test to keep their jobs?

    Outside of sports, where do they have drug testing for people already employed?

    AlwaysMore

  • bhiley77 said...

    They're scared to hire people in an incredibly hostile business environment. Or would you prefer another answer to why corporations have consistently created jobs until recently?

    An "incredibly hostile business environment" that is resulting in record profits?

    Hoos500

  • bhiley77 said...

    They're scared to hire people in an incredibly hostile business environment. Or would you prefer another answer to why corporations have consistently created jobs until recently?

    How about that a large number of jobs that used to be done by Americans are now outsourced out in other countries because its so much cheaper? I seriously doubt you have worn any clothes made in America in the last ten years, for instance. That cell phone or Ipod or computer you are using? Not made in America.

    Why? Its not because corporations are afraid of hiring people. Its because Americans want a living wage for their work, and other countries can supply those workers for a lot less.

    AlwaysMore

  • AlwaysMore said...

    How about that a large number of jobs that used to be done by Americans are now outsourced out in other countries because its so much cheaper? I seriously doubt you have worn any clothes made in America in the last ten years, for instance. That cell phone or Ipod or computer you are using? Not made in America.

    Why? Its not because corporations are afraid of hiring people. Its because Americans want a living wage for their work, and other countries can supply those workers for a lot less.

    You just spoke the truth. Corporations are having record profits and profit margins because of extremely cheap labor in China and the rest of the countries that slave out their people. I'm all for giving corporation tax cuts if it means moving those jobs back and paying our people decent wages and decent benefits. Unfortunately, Americans are worried about paying a little more for those goods we currently get from China.

    Hoos500

  • bhiley77 said...

    I wasn't talking about drug testing. I was talking about the fact that you identified a class of people whose two options in life are welfare or crime.

    We educate our youth just fine. The people you're talking about didn't take to the education. This is generally because their parents don't care or they don't have parents. We know how to solve these problems, we're just too scared to.

    When's the last time you've been to an inner-city school? It's far from "fine."

    This post was edited by Hoos500 on 8/15/2012 at 7:53 PM

    Hoos500

  • ha ha ha ha ha

    the war on the poor...

    you know, cuz they are the reason the country is broke.

    ha ha ha ha ha ha... morons

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  • Yes, and they should also be breathalyzed for alcohol as well.

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  • ha ha ha ha

    economists...

    ha ha ha ha ha...

    i do economical anal sis

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  • rolltide06 said...

    Yes, and they should also be breathalyzed for alcohol as well.

    Booze is legal

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