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Should welfare recipients have to pass a urine drug test

  • TP30
    To receive that gov check since most workers paying for welfare have to pass one to keep the job that pays for welfare?

    GONIG BUCK said...
    Oh Jesus.

    TP imo your on to something but lets try a different twist.

    have them all tested & then report to their local Public Works Dept the following Monday.
    -log 45-50 work hours & at weeks end get "their check". coffee

    Crimson_Ghost

  • sf2k4 said...

    Agreed. Let's cut worker's comp, too. Oh, you broke your leg on the job? Tough sh!t. Don't be an idiot next time.

    I understand your point, but there is a grey area in b/n.

    Scale welfare back:
    - drug test is fair
    - time limit, you can't live on this for life
    - must be actively training for or applying for work
    - very limited community service - I do not want this become a gov't competitor to general labor contractors, but picking up roadsides and such is fine.
    - end additional benefits for children born to people on welfare

    The big question is what do you do with the kids. A grown healthy individual that doesn't want to help themselves is easy, but what about there kids??? I don't know the answer to this, but it would not involve giving any $ to the parents. I hate to say it, but I think the $ not sent to the parents could go to foster/adoptive parents to care for the kids.

    The bottom line is that we can't make welfare an easy program that one can stay on forever. On the flip side, I like the idea of taking care of people who have fallen on hard times (as long as they are trying). In short, we need to institute tough love. The ultimate goal would be to end all gov't wellfare and rely on charities. If you believe in charity X with Y guidelines, donate to charity X. Right now people of all political ideologies pay taxes to support social programs that are not in the constitution and are not in line with their beliefs.

    This post was edited by menichols74 on 8/17/2012 at 10:53 AM

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  • sf2k4 said...

    Agreed. Let's cut worker's comp, too. Oh, you broke your leg on the job? Tough sh!t. Don't be an idiot next time.

    No thats too drastic. However employees injured on the job should pay a $250 deductable. The frivilous reporting would disappear.

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  • Crimson_Ghost said...

    TP imo your on to something but lets try a different twist.

    have them all tested & then report to their local Public Works Dept the following Monday. -log 45-50 work hours & at weeks end get "their check". coffee

    Excellent. Then employers could look at the attendance records and work ethic to hire them for the workforce. Tax credits to businesses that hire from this pool. I like it.

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  • EVERY TOWN HAS A PUBLIC WORKS DEPT.

    welfare agent: congrads, you have qualified for the program.
    applicant: great ive been so worried, when will the 1st check arrive?
    W-agent: after confirmation of the drug test you can report to the Public Works Dept & then after your first full week with them ."
    applicant : wTf ? im not going to work for my welfare ?
    W-agent: that is the new welfare reform.
    applicant : gFy, im entitled to that sh7t.
    W-agent : good luck, next !!!

    This post was edited by Crimson_Ghost on 8/17/2012 at 11:21 AM

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  • Turn2 said...

    Excellent. Then employers could look at the attendance records and work ethic to hire them for the workforce. Tax credits to businesses that hire from this pool. I like it.

    what would they do w/ Public Works ?

    - power wash every business & home in town
    - wash PWD, and other City/State vehicles
    - clean the trash from highways
    - cut grass
    * make a freakn effort *

    Make America Beautiful Project & its already in the budget. coffee

    Crimson_Ghost

  • My only thing is that a lot of jobs require a drug test.

    Welfare is supposed to be designed to keep your head above water until you find a job.

    By providing a clean piss, you are proving that if you do get a job offer, you could get through the hiring process.

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  • Crimson_Ghost said...

    what would they do w/ Public Works ?

    - power wash every business & home in town - wash PWD, and other City/State vehicles - clean the trash from highways - cut grass * make a freakn effort *

    Make America Beautiful Project & its already in the budget. coffee

    I like this idea. Pass a drug test and then do some good for the community and then you can have a portion of my paycheck.

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  • Had a woman at the grocery store tonight pull out her EBT card while carrying a new Coach purse ($350) and shoes ($200) while on her iPhone and dressed very nice according to my fiancée. I wish I would have been there, I would have said something.

    JB23BAMA ●

  • JB23BAMA said...

    Had a woman at the grocery store tonight pull out her EBT card while carrying a new Coach purse ($350) and shoes ($200) while on her iPhone and dressed very nice according to my fiancée. I wish I would have been there, I would have said something.

    Your example fits your preconceptions of how welfare works, unfortunately that example isn't the norm.

    One of the Mexican ladies that works on our production floor worked 50 hours last week at $8.00 an hour. Husband died in an accident at a meat processing plant several years ago. She drives a 1996 Toyotta Corrolla. Welfare supplements her meagre income.

    There is fraud in every government program. 6 years ago the US spent over $5,000,000 transporting sand from Kuwait to Iraq. Apparently we couldn't find any sand in Iraq. Is the best solution to eliminate the fraud and trim the budget, or should we just get rid of the military?

    rms02d

  • JB23BAMA said...

    Yes they should be tested. It should also be limited to a few years, not a life long deal except in extreme circumstances. We should also sterilize the people on welfare and their children. For the love of God, break the cycle. Any A-hole who pulls out an iPhone or drives a Mercedes should automatically be stripped of their welfare and slapped upside the head.

    Thought this for years. Any new welfare applicant who already has a child should be sterilized before receiving a check. Any childless welfare recipient who needs assistance longer than 1 year should automatically be required to be sterilized on their welfare anniversary.

    All recipients should have to pass a monthly random drug test & do community service while actively receiving benefits.

    There should be different levels of welfare based on how many years a person has maintained a job and paid into the system prior to applying for welfare. They should go to the front of the line & get better benefits.

    The status quo is not sustainable. The main obstacle with getting it fixed is that the politicians aren't really worried about doing what they know needs to be done but about getting re-elected instead.

    "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
    Thomas Jefferson

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  • bamafan70 said...

    Thought this for years. Any new welfare applicant who already has a child should be sterilized before receiving a check. Any childless welfare recipient who needs assistance longer than 1 year should automatically be required to be sterilized on their welfare anniversary.

    Hilarious how you followed that with a quote from Jefferson. A citation from Mein Kampf would have been more appropriate.

    RabbitSC

  • bamafan70 said....

    The status quo is not sustainable. The main obstacle with getting it fixed is that the politicians aren't really worried about doing what they know needs to be done but about getting re-elected instead.

    Let me get this right.

    $10 billion in cash assistance and $70 billion in food stamps, in an annual budget of $3.7 trillion, is unsustainable?

    You guys freak out about the stupidest stuff.

    Keep in mind military spending has doubled annually from $400 billion to $800 BILLION since 9/11.

    But Tyrone and Charmesha are the problem.

    Welfare spending cut in half since reform

    Welfare reform has culled the number of people receiving government assistance and cut spending by more than half. Conservatives hail its success, while liberals say it leaves many poor out in the cold.

    money.cnn.com

    rms02d

  • That's 90 per cent of Detroit--- no?

    LCI14

  • rms02d said...

    Let me get this right.

    $10 billion in cash assistance and $70 billion in food stamps, in an annual budget of $3.7 trillion, is unsustainable?

    You guys freak out about the stupidest stuff.

    Keep in mind military spending has doubled annually from $400 billion to $800 BILLION since 9/11.

    But Tyrone and Charmesha are the problem.

    not many said delete welfare although 80 billion divided just one year among the middle class would be a huge boost to the economy.

    keep the program in tact & simply begin the "MAW" Project (originally Make America Beautiful) - "Make America Work"
    *a drug screen & a 50 hour work slate at your local Public Works Dept.

    a) a job placement / training program so to speak
    b) build self-worth of the individuals through "doing their part"
    c) make America beautiful along the way

    as for the military ? send the welfare nation to Iraq
    better yet pull out all together & cut another 800 billion from the budget. the Sand Fleas have been fighting since the days of Cain and Able.

    Crimson_Ghost

  • rms02d said...

    Let me get this right.

    $10 billion in cash assistance and $70 billion in food stamps, in an annual budget of $3.7 trillion, is unsustainable?

    You guys freak out about the stupidest stuff.

    Keep in mind military spending has doubled annually from $400 billion to $800 BILLION since 9/11.

    But Tyrone and Charmesha are the problem.

    Haha...facts...

    Come on rms02d. You know better.

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  • rms02d said...

    Let me get this right.

    $10 billion in cash assistance and $70 billion in food stamps, in an annual budget of $3.7 trillion, is unsustainable?

    You guys freak out about the stupidest stuff.

    Keep in mind military spending has doubled annually from $400 billion to $800 BILLION since 9/11.

    But Tyrone and Charmesha are the problem.

    Sig bet he's on welfare or part of the NAACP

    LScootU

  • El Stacheo said...

    Sig bet he's on welfare or part of the NAACP

    Racist

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Racist

    thumbsup

    LScootU

  • El Stacheo said...

    Sig bet he's on welfare or part of the NAACP

    Lol nope I am white.

    I just read at slightly above an 8th grade level, so I pay more attention to details than someone like yourself.

    rms02d

  • rms02d said...

    Lol nope I am white.

    I just read at slightly above an 8th grade level, so I pay more attention to details than someone like yourself.

    Tyronne and Chaquesa doesn't protect this wonderful nation which gives you the right of having freedom of speech. Detail that Jack

    LScootU

  • El Stacheo said...

    Tyronne and Chaquesa doesn't protect this wonderful nation which gives you the right of having freedom of speech. Detail that Jack

    We don't need to spend $800 billion a year to protect the nation Jack.

    The F-22 has killed more American pilots than terrorists.

    Stupid point

    Coincidentally, the correct Spanish translation for mustache is "El Bigote"

    rms02d

  • rms02d said...

    We don't need to spend $800 billion a year to protect the nation Jack.

    The F-22 has killed more American pilots than terrorists.

    Stupid point

    Coincidentally, the correct Spanish translation for mustache is "El Bigote"

    Rather spend 800 billion on protecting our nation than giving 80 billion to people who don't earn it.

    LScootU

  • El Stacheo said...

    Rather spend 800 billion on protecting our nation than giving 80 billion to people who don't earn it.

    Well thats because you aren't very good at math.

    Military budget has increased 100% since 9/11. Much of that is fraud and waste. We don't need billion dollar planes to fight terrorists. The B-52 has been around 60 years and is just as effective as a B-2 bomber when the enemy only has RPGs.

    Foodstamps and Cash payments have decreased 50% since Bill Clinton changed the laws.

    But yeah that $80 billion is what is causing the deficit.

    And again most of the people on "welfare" work. I agree that spending needs to be cut, but welfare is the least of our concerns.
    Obviously, if I posted 49 times a day on average like yourself, I would probably agree with your stupid logic.

    Unfortunately I have an IQ above room tempurature, and spend my free time slightly more productively.

    Please keep posting intelligent snarky comments.

    Maybe at 25,000 posts you might say something useful or intelligent.

    This post was edited by rms02d on 8/18/2012 at 9:38 PM

    rms02d

  • rms02d said...

    Well thats because you aren't very good at math.

    Military budget has increased 100% since 9/11. Much of that is fraud and waste. We don't need billion dollar planes to fight terrorists. The B-52 has been around 60 years and is just as effective as a B-2 bomber when the enemy only has RPGs.

    Foodstamps and Cash payments have decreased 50% since Bill Clinton changed the laws.

    But yeah that $80 billion is what is causing the deficit.

    Obviously, if I posted 49 times a day on average like yourself, I would probably agree with your stupid logic.

    Unfortunately I have an IQ above room tempurature, and spend my free time slightly more productively.

    Please keep posting intelligent snarky comments.

    Maybe at 25,000 posts you might say something useful or intelligent.

    So smart that you insult someone you nothing about. I don't need to be productive with my free time, I'm productive enough with my work time

    LScootU

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