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Slight changes in 2013 Top247

  • http://247sports.com/Article/Slight-changes-in-the-Class-of-2013-Top247-91213

    Slight adjustments highlight the most recent update of the Class of 2013 Top247.

    National Director of Scouting & Recruiting Analyst @GerryHam247

    Gerry Hamilton

  • What happened to Golden? I thought he was making a case for a top 100 overall prospect. Also im curious how someone breaks their foot for the second time and climbs 60 spots? In many cases you've dropped injury prone prospects.

    NavyAg22

  • NavyAg22 said...

    What happened to Golden? I thought he was making a case for a top 100 overall prospect. Also im curious how someone breaks their foot for the second time and climbs 60 spots? In many cases you've dropped injury prone prospects.

    cry

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    KorbenDallas282

  • NavyAg22 said...

    What happened to Golden? I thought he was making a case for a top 100 overall prospect. Also im curious how someone breaks their foot for the second time and climbs 60 spots? In many cases you've dropped injury prone prospects.

    Isaiah Golden is now in the top 100...in the 80's

    On Kyle Hicks, the reason he was kept lower was because of his injuries late last season and in the spring. He is back healthy, and looks like he did prior to injury. With him being back, he has ascended.

    Darius James, on the other hand, descended a little (as have many others over time) due to this season's ending second break of his foot.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Gerry Hamilton on 9/17/2012 at 4:07 PM

    National Director of Scouting & Recruiting Analyst @GerryHam247

    Gerry Hamilton

  • Texas backfield is going to be crazy good for a while....

    NorthsideHorn

  • So you guys are fairly comfortable right now that Kelvin Taylor is 3X the RB/Football player that Tyren Jones is and Altee & Keith Ford are 1.5X the RB/Football player than Tyren. So those guys are that much better as current RB/players and future prospects at the next level. Given that neither of them really project as anything other than RB's at the next level, I can drop the football player part of equation and summize that you are really saying they are 3X and 1.5X better RB's than Tyren Jones is or will be. Can't argue how Tyren rates compared to other position players, but as a RB (and again given that the three mentioned only project as RB's) to think that they are exponentially better currently and projected is curious to say the least. Or am I somehow misinterpreting when I see KT ranked 17 vs Tyren Jones 52 (and similarly for AT and KF in relation to Tyren).

    heatheatheat

  • How are you getting that we think he projects three times better? Far from the case.

    E-mail: jc@247Sports.com/Twitter: @jcshurburtt/Instagram jcshurburtt

    JC Shurburtt

  • Its called competition.. Texas HS athletes play better competition, as do conferences that are not the Pac.

    NavyAg22

  • JC Shurburtt said...

    How are you getting that we think he projects three times better? Far from the case.

    Which is why I asked am I misinterpreting the rankings. Kelvin Taylor ranks at 17...Tyren ranks at 52. That is almost exactly a 3X spread in rank for players that play and are projected at the same position.

    This post was edited by heatheatheat on 9/17/2012 at 4:33 PM

    heatheatheat

  • heatheatheat said...

    Which is why I asked am I misinterpreting the rankings. Kelvin Taylor ranks at 17...Tyren ranks at 51. That is almost exactly a 3X spread in rank for players that play and are projected at the same position.

    I dont think that is what it means at all...I think it does mean there are 50 better players in 2013 than Tyren...including Carl Lawson lol

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    Jos Mit

  • heatheatheat said...

    So you guys are fairly comfortable right now that Kelvin Taylor is 3X the RB/Football player that Tyren Jones is and Altee & Keith Ford are 1.5X the RB/Football player than Tyren. So those guys are that much better as current RB/players and future prospects at the next level. Given that neither of them really project as anything other than RB's at the next level, I can drop the football player part of equation and summize that you are really saying they are 3X and 1.5X better RB's than Tyren Jones is or will be. Can't argue how Tyren rates compared to other position players, but as a RB (and again given that the three mentioned only project as RB's) to think that they are exponentially better currently and projected is curious to say the least. Or am I somehow misinterpreting when I see KT ranked 17 vs Tyren Jones 52 (and similarly for AT and KF in relation to Tyren).

    LOL at Bama math.

    By your calculations, the #1 player would be twice the player that #2 is, and 10 times better than the #10 player in the country. Obviously, that isn't true.

    It would be more accurate to look at their actual ranking. Taylor is a 98 and Jones is a 95. If you have to turn this into an equation, it seems like they think Taylor is 1.03x the player that Jones is.

    Chuckie Finster

  • heatheatheat said...

    Which is why I asked am I misinterpreting the rankings. Kelvin Taylor ranks at 17...Tyren ranks at 52. That is almost exactly a 3X spread in rank for players that play and are projected at the same position.

    People can, and more importantly will, interpret the rankings however they wish.

    Guys ranked in the top 50'ish are the elite prospects in the country out of thousands of D-I recruits/prospects. That's the way I have always looked at.

    National Director of Scouting & Recruiting Analyst @GerryHam247

    Gerry Hamilton

  • Gerry Hamilton said...

    People can, and more importantly will, interpret the rankings however they wish.

    Guys ranked in the top 50'ish are the elite prospects in the country out of thousands of D-I recruits/prospects. That's the way I have always looked at.

    Thanks Gerry

    heatheatheat

  • I'm still not understanding with the level of competition in Georgia 6A and teams putting 9-10 guys in the box to stop Tyren and he still runs for 300+ yards in the 1st 2 games of the season [including 332 against McEachern] against 2 preseason Top 10 teams in back to back games.......how guys that don't have 332 yards this season can be ranked higher? Especially when they play in states with much less competition.

    Competition and on-field performance should have a higher proportion/factor in the rankings than camps and combines.

    Do you guys have the basic structure/composition of the formula used to rank RBs (ie. below)? I'd love to see it.

    M= Muscle Definition/Vascularity
    D= Combine/Camp Performance
    L= Level of Competition
    P= Game Performance

    4M+4D+1L+1P= Rating (Out of 100 points)

    Player X
    M=9.5
    D=9
    L=8
    P=8.5

    Score for Player X= 90.5

    I'm simply miffed about these rankings.

    These rankings are like saying a kid at the local junior college majoring in Recreation Management with a 3.3 gpa is smarter than the Biomedical Engineering/Molecular Biology Double Major at MIT with a 3.85 gpa. How can you do better against better competition and still be ranked lower? Contacting Duke University immediately....because clearly I'm not as intelligent as the Degree that my name is written on.........SHEESH.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by BamaBornDukie on 9/17/2012 at 5:13 PM

    Tell people what they want to hear, they will like you. Tell them the actual truth...they may not.

    BamaBornDukie

  • NavyAg22 said...

    Also im curious how someone breaks their foot for the second time and climbs 60 spots? In many cases you've dropped injury prone prospects.

    I'm gonna guess the fact that he just shit on one of the top programs in the country (Skyline) to the tune of 300 yards and 5 TDs had something to do with it. Could be wrong though....

    pepper11

  • heatheatheat said...

    Which is why I asked am I misinterpreting the rankings. Kelvin Taylor ranks at 17...Tyren ranks at 52. That is almost exactly a 3X spread in rank for players that play and are projected at the same position.

    roflmao that's great dude.

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    mac1992

  • I have been told by some that Chris Jones is the best linemen out of Mississippi in the last 10 years. He is a bigger and more physical fletcher cox

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    deltadawg82

  • heatheatheat said...

    Which is why I asked am I misinterpreting the rankings. Kelvin Taylor ranks at 17...Tyren ranks at 52. That is almost exactly a 3X spread in rank for players that play and are projected at the same position.

    Yeah, you are misinterpreting it. You could have a point if a player were the No. 17 RB and another were the No. 52. The difference in that range of overall prospect rankings is minimal.

    E-mail: jc@247Sports.com/Twitter: @jcshurburtt/Instagram jcshurburtt

    JC Shurburtt

  • BamaBornDukie said...

    I'm still not understanding with the level of competition in Georgia 6A and teams putting 9-10 guys in the box to stop Tyren and he still runs for 300+ yards in the 1st 2 games of the season [including 332 against McEachern] against 2 preseason Top 10 teams in back to back games.......how guys that don't have 332 yards this season can be ranked higher? Especially when they play in states with much less competition.

    Competition and on-field performance should have a higher proportion/factor in the rankings than camps and combines.

    Do you guys have the basic structure/composition of the formula used to rank RBs (ie. below)? I'd love to see it.

    M= Muscle Definition/Vascularity D= Combine/Camp Performance L= Level of Competition P= Game Performance

    4M+4D+1L+1P= Rating (Out of 100 points)

    Player X M=9.5 D=9 L=8 P=8.5

    Score for Player X= 90.5

    I'm simply miffed about these rankings.

    These rankings are like saying a kid at the local junior college majoring in Recreation Management with a 3.3 gpa is smarter than the Biomedical Engineering/Molecular Biology Double Major at MIT with a 3.85 gpa. How can you do better against better competition and still be ranked lower? Contacting Duke University immediately....because clearly I'm not as intelligent as the Degree that my name is written on.........SHEESH.

    The rankings aren't based on camps and combines and on-field performance and competition are weighted much heavier than anything a running back ever will do in 7-on-7 or a camp.

    Our rankings are based on film evaluation, in-person evaluation (Gerry went to see Tyren play, he's seen Alex Collins, he's seen Altee Tenpenny, he's seen Keith Ford, he's seen Kelvin Taylor) and a comparison based on their long-term projection. It's not a high school All-American team.

    E-mail: jc@247Sports.com/Twitter: @jcshurburtt/Instagram jcshurburtt

    JC Shurburtt

  • Jos Mit said...

    I dont think that is what it means at all...I think it does mean there are 50 better players in 2013 than Tyren...including Carl Lawson lol

    Our rankings are projections. USA Today does a great All-American team every year and so do we.

    E-mail: jc@247Sports.com/Twitter: @jcshurburtt/Instagram jcshurburtt

    JC Shurburtt

  • JC Shurburtt said...

    Yeah, you are misinterpreting it. You could have a point if a player were the No. 17 RB and another were the No. 52. The difference in that range of overall prospect rankings is minimal.

    Thanks JC...I have recognized error in my interpretation of rankings. Ratings more important when looking at players in same position vs rankings. Glad to see Tyren move up in rankings. Top 50ish is big time....thanks again

    heatheatheat

  • How can Thomas Tyner not go up in the rankings? Does he have to have a 1000 yard game and get 15tds before 247 realizes this kid's the truth? I understand he's playing Oregon high school football, but all you have to do is watch his highlights if his runs this year and you will see that he deserves his fifth star back and some respect. The kid is lights out!!! 688 yards and 10 tds in one game is not am easy feat. Just saying.

    KeepOnDucking

  • NorthsideHorn said...

    Texas backfield is going to be crazy good for a while....

    shouldnt it already be it seems like you guys get a top 3 back every yr

    TravisFLAx8

  • FLA_Travis said...

    shouldnt it already be it seems like you guys get a top 3 back every yr

    Someones not paying attention

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    KorbenDallas282

  • FLA_Travis said...

    shouldnt it already be it seems like you guys get a top 3 back every yr

    And our backfield is the tits.

    pepper11