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Slimiest NCAA coaches?

  • TJMMBuckeyes said...

    yes, they were.

    If ESPN, SI, etc. camped out on ANYONES campus and did nothing but dig and speak to screw ups(Ray Small, Rob Rose) you'd find anything on anyone.

    Listen, I'm not denying what happened, but is it really deserving to put Tress on this list.

    When I think of "slimiest coaches", I think of guys who pay recruits, players, etc.

    Calipari Calhoun Carroll Kiffin Chizik

    you do realize for the past year AU has been through the ringer and that we had our own HBO special?

    This post was edited by General1972 on 6/1/2011 at 9:08 PM

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  • TJMMBuckeyes said...

    Listen, I'm not denying what happened, but is it really deserving to put Tress on this list.

    Yes.

    Rivver

  • TJMMBuckeyes said...

    explain to me how Alabama signed:

    2008 32, 2009 27, 2010 29, 2011 23

    32+27+29+23= 111

    Yeah, no oversigning hahahahahahaha

    Explain to me who was kicked off the team with no scholarship and nothing to fall back on. I'll be waiting patiently.

    Oh and...hahahahahahaha

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  • I did say I'd give you $100. Are you not going to even try for it?

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  • Lane kiffin
    Ed orgeron
    Trooper Taylor
    Butch Davis

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  • Bobby Petrino
    Nick Saban
    Charlie Baggett
    Houston Nutt
    Derek Dooley

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  • Coach Cal is doing something right,he has had 1 of the if not the best top recruiting classes in the last couple of years.

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  • TJMMBuckeyes said...

    explain to me how Alabama signed:

    2008 32, 2009 27, 2010 29, 2011 23

    32+27+29+23= 111

    Yeah, no oversigning hahahahahahaha

    Fairly simple. In 2008, he did not have a full 85 scholarship players in 2007 so he back counted for enrollment. Also in 2008 he had several of those guys tell him that if they didnt get drafted for baseball that they would play for Bama and he had to sign extra guys as a contingent plan. Mel Ray and Dustin hood were drafted and went to MLB.
    Also in those numbers are players who are counted twice. Some did not make it into school and had to go to JUCO but the recruiting services still counted them and then counted them again 2 years later when they resigned after they finished JUCO.

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  • EnterTheOcho said...

    SLIMY COACHES POWER RANKINGS

    1. Lane Kiffin 2. Gene Chizik 3. Jim Tressel 4. Butch Davis 5. Dabo Swinney . . . . . 9001. Mike Gundy (because HE'S A MAN)

    good list--i'd reverse 3 and 5

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  • howardjones said...

    They don't give "illegal" benefits. The only thing they have done is create a professional sports atmosphere, with professional coaches, and the some of the most talented athletes in the world. Everyone makes money except for the athletes, and they may be the only thing about this sport that we love. Guys at Ohio State where getting discounted tattoos in exchange for OSU gear? It happens everywhere. I look at Los Angeles, which has about a billion tattoo shops, and I am positive that USC and UCLA are unwillingly committing NCAA violations right now. The car thing, if true, wouldn't surprise me either. Didn't that just happen at Oklahoma? Yet, no one is screaming about how Bob Stoops is a cheater. Of course recognizable athletes will get advantages that we don't. How many car dealerships would gladly give credit to a "sure thing" first round pick? Most of the time, coaches don't even know about the violations that occur and shouldn't be held accountable. Players will go out of their way to prevent coaches and compliance departments from knowing, so it isn't fair to expect them to be able to police 85 kids on their roster. Jim Tressel made a huge mistake that many coaches don't do. He lied to the NCAA. He did it because he looked at his roster and thought he could win a national title. He made a mistake, but I would not call him slimy. I'm sure he has done a lot of positive things for his community, and that doesn't outweigh his decision to stay quiet while his players defy a system that is the definition of f*cking stupid.

    Just because everyone does it doesnt make it legal. Everyone speeds, but not everyone gets caught. Its against the law...just like illegal benefits are against NCAA rules. I never once called Tressel slimy..you said that everything was the NCAA's fault. Fact is rules got broken and someone's head had to roll..it had to be Tressel's. And yes the players dont make any money. But what they get is a free education, exposure, room/board, and an internship that is possibly worth millions of dollars. There is just no other way to compensate players. If you paid football players you would have to pay every other sport, boys and girls. Football and basketball are what support the other sports that dont make the major money: softball, soccer, volleyball, swimming, lacrosse, etc. You cant decide who you want to pay or what sport. As much money as schools and the NCAA make there still isnt enough money to pay players extra for every sport in both mens and womens. Fact is rules are rules..no matter if you agree with them or not. The "everyone does it" excuse is something a five year old would say.

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    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MobTownAub on 6/1/2011 at 10:42 PM

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  • MobTownAub said...

    It's pretty crazy to me that Chizik keeps being brought up in this when absolutely nothing has been proven wrong since his tenure began. Why is he slimy? Because he won at Auburn? Like Auburn isn't and hasn't been a great program before? And if you are judging solely on the Cam scenerio..why is Dan Mullen not on the list?

    I dunno..I'm a pretty reasonable guy..just doesn't add up to me. Seems like just a bunch of sour grapes.

    Io Triumphe

  • COOTERUSC77 said...

    Just because everyone does it doesnt make it legal. Everyone speeds, but not everyone gets caught. Its against the law...just like illegal benefits are against NCAA rules. I never once called Tressel slimy..you said that everything was the NCAA's fault. Fact is rules got broken and someone's head had to roll..it had to be Tressel's. And yes the players dont make any money. But what they get is a free education, exposure, room/board, and an internship that is possibly worth millions of dollars. There is just no other way to compensate players. If you paid football players you would have to pay every other sport, boys and girls. Football and basketball are what support the other sports that dont make the major money: softball, soccer, volleyball, swimming, lacrosse, etc. You cant decide who you want to pay or what sport. As much money as schools and the NCAA make there still isnt enough money to pay players extra for every sport in both mens and womens. Fact is rules are rules..no matter if you agree with them or not. The "everyone does it" excuse is something a five year old would say.

    clap +1

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  • COOTERUSC77 said...Just because everyone does it doesnt make it legal. Everyone speeds, but not everyone gets caught. Its against the law...just like illegal benefits are against NCAA rules. I never once called Tressel slimy..you said that everything was the NCAA's fault. Fact is rules got broken and someone's head had to roll..it had to be Tressel's. And yes the players dont make any money. But what they get is a free education, exposure, room/board, and an internship that is possibly worth millions of dollars. There is just no other way to compensate players. If you paid football players you would have to pay every other sport, boys and girls. Football and basketball are what support the other sports that dont make the major money: softball, soccer, volleyball, swimming, lacrosse, etc. You cant decide who you want to pay or what sport. As much money as schools and the NCAA make there still isnt enough money to pay players extra for every sport in both mens and womens. Fact is rules are rules..no matter if you agree with them or not. The "everyone does it" excuse is something a five year old would say.

    You're talking about legal in the the NCAA's definition. Speeding can lead to death. Players taking money from third parties does not hurt anyone. I do believe everything is the NCAA fault. If they just gave the players a fair piece of the pie, or accepted the fact that they cannot prevent kids from taking extra benefits, and admitted that is happens at every school, we would all be better off. A free education, exposure, room/board, and an internship is not worth millions of dollars, nor is it worth anything to the schools. The students that attend the schools pay for their professional basketball and football teams. Even if the schools had to pay every athlete, it wouldn't be catastrophic. How much does a conference make from a BCS appearance? I think we could give everyone a little taste. How about we classify Division I basketball and football as semi professional sports so we don't have to pay everyone else? There are plenty of solutions, but no one is looking for them because it would cut into their profit. The "rules are rules" argument is something I don't agree with. Why do I have to respect these rules? They where not put in place to protect anyone, if anything they where put in place to prevent athletes from reaching their financial potential, which, in my worthless opinion, is un-American. In all reality, NCAA rules are meaningless and college athletes don't respect them. Great post by the way, I am really enjoying our conversation. peace

    Chris Swanson

  • Makarov42 said...

    Fairly simple. In 2008, he did not have a full 85 scholarship players in 2007 so he back counted for enrollment. Also in 2008 he had several of those guys tell him that if they didnt get drafted for baseball that they would play for Bama and he had to sign extra guys as a contingent plan. Mel Ray and Dustin hood were drafted and went to MLB.
    Also in those numbers are players who are counted twice. Some did not make it into school and had to go to JUCO but the recruiting services still counted them and then counted them again 2 years later when they resigned after they finished JUCO.

    ^^^

    Just owned TJMM

    TNoles813

  • star69 said...

    I think he is head and shoulders above Pete. He has had rumors or allegations since his days at Youngstown. From the reports of his raffles sounds like they were before his HC days.

    This, LMAO at the Buckeyes who refuse to see the obvious

    Tressell is more than likely a good man, but he is also a slimy cheating liar like most coaches in this game

    He has been breaking the rules since his days at Youngstown St.

    We likely only find out less than half of the things he has done

    Tressell more than deserves to be on this list

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  • howardjones said...

    You're talking about legal in the the NCAA's definition. Speeding can lead to death. Players taking money from third parties does not hurt anyone. I do believe everything is the NCAA fault. If they just gave the players a fair piece of the pie, or accepted the fact that they cannot prevent kids from taking extra benefits, and admitted that is happens at every school, we would all be better off. A free education, exposure, room/board, and an internship is not worth millions of dollars, nor is it worth anything to the schools. The students that attend the schools pay for their professional basketball and football teams. Even if the schools had to pay every athlete, it wouldn't be catastrophic. How much does a conference make from a BCS appearance? I think we could give everyone a little taste. How about we classify Division I basketball and football as semi professional sports so we don't have to pay everyone else? There are plenty of solutions, but no one is looking for them because it would cut into their profit. The "rules are rules" argument is something I don't agree with. Why do I have to respect these rules? They where not put in place to protect anyone, if anything they where put in place to prevent athletes from reaching their financial potential, which, in my worthless opinion, is un-American. In all reality, NCAA rules are meaningless and college athletes don't respect them. Great post by the way, I am really enjoying our conversation.

    I meant that the internship, which is showcasing their skills in hopes of garnering pro contracts are possibly worth millions. Not the education, exposure, and room/board. What would 90% of these kids do if no one offered them an athletic scholarship? Do you think they would go to college? Do you think they would want to aspire to be something greater? Where do you think most of these kids would be without college football? These colleges and universities give a lot of these kids an actual chance to do something meaningful in their lives. A chance to not only get a great education but a place to learn how to become a man. I dont understand where all this entitlement came from. Its the classic "we give you an inch, and you take a mile" aspect. And the rules were put in place to protect the integrity of college athletics..although it doesnt seem to be working. You dont have to respect these rules, you are not a college coach or player. But as you can see with all the scandals of late that the NCAA will make damn sure that universities start caring a little more.

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  • COOTERUSC77 said...I meant that the internship, which is showcasing their skills in hopes of garnering pro contracts are possibly worth millions. Not the education, exposure, and room/board. What would 90% of these kids do if no one offered them an athletic scholarship? Do you think they would go to college? Do you think they would want to aspire to be something greater? Where do you think most of these kids would be without college football? These colleges and universities give a lot of these kids an actual chance to do something meaningful in their lives. A chance to not only get a great education but a place to learn how to become a man. I dont understand where all this entitlement came from. Its the classic "we give you an inch, and you take a mile" aspect. And the rules were put in place to protect the integrity of college athletics..although it doesnt seem to be working. You dont have to respect these rules, you are not a college coach or player. But as you can see with all the scandals of late that the NCAA will make damn sure that universities start caring a little more.

    We are just going to have to agree to disagree. You see college football as a great opportunity, I see it as free labor. Both arguments are valid, so we can go ahead and pat ourselves on the back without writing a ten page essay. The one part that I disagree with that I think is worth discussing is how much the universities care about "cheating". I think they all want to avoid it. Schools like USC and tOSU don't want their players to violate rules because they can be dominant teams without "cheating". The NCAA punishes schools and future players who where likely ignorant to the violations and where uninvolved. If you want to keep the rules in place, punish the actual violators. We can all agree that Bush and Pyror will never see any punishment, and if they do, it will be nothing compared to what these Universities will go through because of something that is out of their control.

    Chris Swanson

  • I think Chizik and Kiffen get that award

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  • COOTERUSC77 said...

    I meant that the internship, which is showcasing their skills in hopes of garnering pro contracts are possibly worth millions. Not the education, exposure, and room/board. What would 90% of these kids do if no one offered them an athletic scholarship? Do you think they would go to college? Do you think they would want to aspire to be something greater? Where do you think most of these kids would be without college football? These colleges and universities give a lot of these kids an actual chance to do something meaningful in their lives. A chance to not only get a great education but a place to learn how to become a man. I dont understand where all this entitlement came from. Its the classic "we give you an inch, and you take a mile" aspect. And the rules were put in place to protect the integrity of college athletics..although it doesnt seem to be working. You dont have to respect these rules, you are not a college coach or player. But as you can see with all the scandals of late that the NCAA will make damn sure that universities start caring a little more.

    Once again, +1 clap

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  • LOL at TJMM. Sounds like a Tressell Sheep.

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  • howardjones said...

    We are just going to have to agree to disagree. You see college football as a great opportunity, I see it as free labor. Both arguments are valid, so we can go ahead and pat ourselves on the back without writing a ten page essay. The one part that I disagree with that I think is worth discussing is how much the universities care about "cheating". I think they all want to avoid it. Schools like USC and tOSU don't want their players to violate rules because they can be dominant teams without "cheating". The NCAA punishes schools and future players who where likely ignorant to the violations and where uninvolved. If you want to keep the rules in place, punish the actual violators. We can all agree that Bush and Pyror will never see any punishment, and if they do, it will be nothing compared to what these Universities will go through because of something that is out of their control.

    Granted the majority members of the Universities care. The presidents and dean still place academics way ahead of ahletics. But there are certain coaches, boosters, and other behind the scenes folks who look at it as we need to do it because other schools are doing it and we arent going to get left behind by playing by the rules. Its kind of like the steroid era in baseball. Players, owners, and coaches saw that steroids were increasing sales and elevating play. Therefore other organizations/players started juicing to not get left behind. Bush and Pryor will never see punishment, but the universities will. This will encourage the universities to watch recruitment and player benefits earlier on and more carefully. Do you think this mess with Bush and Pryor started when they were sophmores and juniors? It started with recruitment and lasted throughout their college careers. When someone screws up the person in charge has to take the fall. Doesnt make it right but thats how it is. And if tOSU and USCw can recruit without this illegal stuff going on then they need to stop it...along with other major universities around the country. We both make good points and this is a solid debate. Its nice to be able to debate without the flames and name calling associated with Rivals.

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  • COOTERUSC77 said...Granted the majority members of the Universities care. The presidents and dean still place academics way ahead of ahletics. But there are certain coaches, boosters, and other behind the scenes folks who look at it as we need to do it because other schools are doing it and we arent going to get left behind by playing by the rules. Its kind of like the steroid era in baseball. Players, owners, and coaches saw that steroids were increasing sales and elevating play. Therefore other organizations/players started juicing to not get left behind. Bush and Pryor will never see punishment, but the universities will. This will encourage the universities to watch recruitment and player benefits earlier on and more carefully. Do you think this mess with Bush and Pryor started when they were sophmores and juniors? It started with recruitment and lasted throughout their college careers. When someone screws up the person in charge has to take the fall. Doesnt make it right but thats how it is. And if tOSU and USCw can recruit without this illegal stuff going on then they need to stop it...along with other major universities around the country. We both make good points and this is a solid debate. Its nice to be able to debate without the flames and name calling associated with Rivals.

    The one thing that I don't understand is how these Universities are expected to find out about improper benefits. It's not like Bush or Pryor where bad at hiding it. Pryor would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for an FBI investigation into the guy he sold his rings too and it took a pissed off "associate" to get Bush in trouble. They are the tip of the iceberg on this thing. The truth is, everyone recruits the same kids, and everyone looks to hire the same coaches. We don't know who is a cheater, or a "me guy", because rational people will conceal that part of their personality. Almost every school in country offered Bush and Pryor, and they would have been stuck with this mess if they got their commitments. Almost every school would have chosen Tressel to coach their program over the coach they had and they would be in this mess as well. Look at that kid your team just signed, Clowney. He is considered the best player in last year's class by everyone. We have been reading stories about him since he was a sophomore in high school. Every school in the country offered him a scholarship. I bet every wannabe agent in South Carolina has offered him cash, and if he every took any behind the back of your coach and University, you guy will have my support. Just like Ohio State, Auburn, Florida State, Oklahoma, Memphis, and whomever else has had my in recent years.

    I had a similar experience that you had on Rivals on Scout, which is why I'm over here. Sane football conversations are great, and their seems to be a nice ratio of sane to crazy over here.

    Chris Swanson

  • Had no idea people thought this about Chizik. Is it his gold chains or his bowling shirts?

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