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So we are extracting more domestic oil than ever but......

  • ROFL @ you dumb shits still grasping onto Solyndra. Solyndra failed because of market forces not because of the industry itself. It couldn't keep up with the falling prices. It's costs were too high.

    Solar panel production is not the same as solar panel installation as well. The capacity and production of electricity from solar and wind has DOUBLED since 2008 and is on pace to keep a similar rate for the near future.

    If you think giving one bad loan negates all the positives from the money set aside for alternatives in the ARA, you a fucking retard.

    Also, basing a complete 180 degree change of vehicle fueling on a commodity that is on a down-swing due to a temporary glut in supply is retarded. There is a reason that car companies are producing more hybrid,electric and hydrogen powered cars. If natural gas was a no-brainer, they would have already done it.

    Battery technology, grid and "fueling" infrastructure, grid capacity from alternatives etc. have all grown leaps in bounds in a very short-term period. All thanks to ARA.

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  • Status said...

    I dont want to see him fail. He's doing a perfectly fine job of doing that on his own. What I enjoy is watching all these dumbasses who thought obama was going to take care of them and stick it to those evil rich people.

    Meanwhile my taxes went up and Im in the middle class tax bracket explode

    Lol @ you complaining about a lapse in a temporary tax cut counting as "raising taxes" on you.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Lol @ you complaining about a lapse in a temporary tax cut counting as "raising taxes" on you.

    Lol at some 19 year old kid whos never payed taxes giving me a lecture on tax cuts lol

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  • Status said...

    Lol at some 19 year old kid whos never payed taxes giving me a lecture on tax cuts lol

    Lol at you for thinking you know me.

    I've paid taxes for five years, so blow me.

    Seriously though, what federal tax has affected you besides the lapse of the payroll tax cut (temporary)?

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  • mac1992 said...

    As someone who voted for Obama, I certainly don't think he "can do no wrong." It's actually kind of funny that the scenario in Congress that CMXI was just explaining is kind of being played out in this thread. Regardless of what he said and what actual facts he used, you guys just point out one arbitrary act the president has done to knock him down a peg and then refer to him as, "a Marxist communist" and "the worst president of all time." Those are ridiculous statements.

    IMO it roots from democrats who wanted more than anything for Obama to be the White Knight, which he hasnt really been. Republicans obviously didn't see him as being that figure and now would do anything to see him fail. But when comparing just the last 2 presidencies alone, how could you honestly think Obama is the worst president of all time? I'm not calling it racism, but Republicans desperately want to see this guy fail. I don't even think desperate is a strong enough word for it. It's like the Lebron effect.

    Sir with all due respect did someone hold a gun to his head and tell him to invest in companies that had no business receiving a cent of tax payer money? He did that out of his own volition and it smells, I mean reeks of impropriety.

    Amazinglyblue78

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Lol at you for thinking you know me.

    I've paid taxes for five years, so blow me.

    Seriously though, what federal tax has affected you besides the lapse of the payroll tax cut (temporary)?

    "It won't affect the middle class at all, these increases are for the super wealthy"

    complete BS, letting those tax cuts expire affected everyone.

    Amazinglyblue78

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    ROFL @ you dumb shits still grasping onto Solyndra. Solyndra failed because of market forces not because of the industry itself. It couldn't keep up with the falling prices. It's costs were too high.

    Solar panel production is not the same as solar panel installation as well. The capacity and production of electricity from solar and wind has DOUBLED since 2008 and is on pace to keep a similar rate for the near future.

    If you think giving one bad loan negates all the positives from the money set aside for alternatives in the ARA, you a fucking retard.

    Also, basing a complete 180 degree change of vehicle fueling on a commodity that is on a down-swing due to a temporary glut in supply is retarded. There is a reason that car companies are producing more hybrid,electric and hydrogen powered cars. If natural gas was a no-brainer, they would have already done it.

    Battery technology, grid and "fueling" infrastructure, grid capacity from alternatives etc. have all grown leaps in bounds in a very short-term period. All thanks to ARA.

    ROFL at you. Solyndra was going to fail anyway because of "market forces" and it was obvious to even them. However, they were given millions of dollars with no new business model that would have kept them afloat. Then they went under almost exactly when their own forecasts predicted. Does that seem like a wise use of millions of tax payer dollars to you? That's a rhetorical question.

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  • According to fact check production isn't up.

    http://factcheck.org/2012/10/obamas-drilling-denials/

    Obama was wrong when he denied Romney’s claim that the Obama administration cut in half the number of new permits and new leases for offshore oil and gas drilling. The decrease is actually more than half.

    Obama was wrong to flatly deny that he cut in half the number of new federal permits and leases for oil and natural gas drilling.

    The number of new offshore leases has plummeted under Obama — falling by more than half, according to the Bureau of Safety and Environmental Enforcement.

    During Obama’s first term, the U.S. has so far issued 1,304 new offshore leases compared with 3,317 in Bush’s second term — a decrease of 61 percent.

    The number of new permits for offshore wells also nosedived. The U.S. approved 1,316 new permits during Bush’s second term. The number has fallen to 515 — so far — under Obama, also a 61 percent drop.

    The administration, for instance, approved only 12 new offshore leases in 2011.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Lol at you for thinking you know me.

    I've paid taxes for five years, so blow me.

    Seriously though, what federal tax has affected you besides the lapse of the payroll tax cut (temporary)?

    The payroll tax increase is a pretty substantial increase on me. I could see how some people with families are struggling.

    Sales tax doesnt count btw.

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  • justinboze said...

    ROFL at you. Solyndra was going to fail anyway because of "market forces" and it was obvious to even them. However, they were given millions of dollars with no new business model that would have kept them afloat. Then they went under almost exactly when their own forecasts predicted. Does that seem like a wise use of millions of tax payer dollars to you? That's a rhetorical question.

    No they weren't. The downturn happened after the loan was guaranteed. The loan process was in the works for years and only was sped up because of the ARA. The turn in prices happened around the same time.

    Again. This is a very small failure rate compared to all the investments made.

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  • Amazinglyblue78 said...

    "It won't affect the middle class at all, these increases are for the super wealthy"

    complete BS, letting those tax cuts expire affected everyone.

    That doesn't negate the point. It's a temporary tax cut that was bound to expire at some point.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said

    Again. This is a very small failure rate compared to all the investments made.

    This is pretty much my point. As I said, I've never claimed he's never done anything wrong. Just don't see how it makes him a Marxist or the worst president of all time

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    ROFL @ you dumb shits still grasping onto Solyndra. Solyndra failed because of market forces not because of the industry itself. It couldn't keep up with the falling prices. It's costs were too high.

    Solar panel production is not the same as solar panel installation as well. The capacity and production of electricity from solar and wind has DOUBLED since 2008 and is on pace to keep a similar rate for the near future.

    If you think giving one bad loan negates all the positives from the money set aside for alternatives in the ARA, you a fucking retard.

    Also, basing a complete 180 degree change of vehicle fueling on a commodity that is on a down-swing due to a temporary glut in supply is retarded. There is a reason that car companies are producing more hybrid,electric and hydrogen powered cars. If natural gas was a no-brainer, they would have already done it.

    Battery technology, grid and "fueling" infrastructure, grid capacity from alternatives etc. have all grown leaps in bounds in a very short-term period. All thanks to ARA.

    ROFL. How much federal money has gone into the natural gas infrastructure? I will help you out 0. These are business men they will read the environment take into account the STUPID administration we have and make decisions based mainly on the patterns shown by the government to license and permit industry across the nation.

    Natural gas has been cut off at every turn by this administration. If your a businessman, which clearly your not would you invest in changing over vehicles to natural gas.

    No you would invest in a company obviously on the verge of bankruptcy

    Grab a clue!.

    This post was edited by Amazinglyblue78 on 2/21/2013 at 9:04 AM

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    ROFL @ you dumb shits still grasping onto Solyndra. Solyndra failed because of market forces not because of the industry itself. It couldn't keep up with the falling prices. It's costs were too high.

    Solar panel production is not the same as solar panel installation as well. The capacity and production of electricity from solar and wind has DOUBLED since 2008 and is on pace to keep a similar rate for the near future.

    If you think giving one bad loan negates all the positives from the money set aside for alternatives in the ARA, you a fucking retard.

    Also, basing a complete 180 degree change of vehicle fueling on a commodity that is on a down-swing due to a temporary glut in supply is retarded. There is a reason that car companies are producing more hybrid,electric and hydrogen powered cars. If natural gas was a no-brainer, they would have already done it.

    Battery technology, grid and "fueling" infrastructure, grid capacity from alternatives etc. have all grown leaps in bounds in a very short-term period. All thanks to ARA.

    I really don't care where my energy comes from, I'm not making any money from the production/sale of any energy source. I just don't want to be forced in the future to pay a lot more to use an alternative (wind, solar, battery, bio) when there are cheaper forms of energy that our government has demonized (oil, natural gas, coal, nuclear).

    This post was edited by TideJoe on 2/21/2013 at 9:05 AM

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  • mac1992 said...

    This is pretty much my point. As I said, I've never claimed he's never done anything wrong. Just don't see how it makes him a Marxist or the worst president of all time

    Coupled with unemployment, spending, decreasing salaries. He is definitely climbing the list.

    Amazinglyblue78

  • Amazinglyblue78 said...

    ROFL. How much federal money has gone into the natural gas infrastructure? I will help you out 0. These are business men they will read the environment take into account the STUPID administration we have and make decisions based mainly on the patterns shown by the government to license and permit industry across the nation.

    Natural gas has been cut off at every turn by this administration. If your a businessman, which clearly your not would you invest in changing over vehicles to natural gas.

    No you would invest in a company obviously on the verge of bankruptcy

    Grab a clue!.

    A company that dealt with solar panel production equals companies that deal with EV charging infrastructure? Lol.

    No I wouldn't invest in natural gas. It's historically low price is not going to last as long as people think and to completely set up an nationwide infrastructure that will costs billions and not recoup a return before the supply glut disappears is retarded.

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  • TideJoe said...

    I really don't care where my energy comes from, I'm not making any money from the production/sale of any energy source. I just don't want to be forced in the future to pay a lot more to use an alternative (wind, solar, battery, bio) when there are cheaper forms of energy that our government has demonized (oil, natural gas, coal, nuclear).

    Demonized? Coal maybe but the rest of fossil fuels have not even been close.

    Depending on where you live, the cost of wind and solar is already comparable to fossil fuels.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    A company that dealt with solar panel production equals companies that deal with EV charging infrastructure? Lol.

    No I wouldn't invest in natural gas. It's historically low price is not going to last as long as people think and to completely set up an nationwide infrastructure that will costs billions and not recoup a return before the supply glut disappears is retarded.

    You realize that 52 percent of every gallon you pump goes to federal taxes. We have the leverage with natural gas unlike oil that is sparse here at best. You don't even know what your talking about Natural gas is an excellent alternative to get our economy going building revenue to put into other forms coincidentally building many infrastructures.

    A company that robbed the people of this country with no repercussions.

    Amazinglyblue78

  • Amazinglyblue78 said...

    You realize that 52 percent of every gallon you pump goes to federal taxes. We have the leverage with natural gas unlike oil that is sparse here at best. You don't even know what your talking about Natural gas is an excellent alternative to get our economy going building revenue to put into other forms coincidentally building many infrastructures.

    A company that robbed the people of this country with no repercussions.

    52%?

    Shape gas deposit estimates are not as rosy as the projections make it out to be.

    A declining supply plus increased demand (power plants either are switching or will be powered by more natural gas plus new vehicle demand) and you think the price will remain at its historic low (and therefore competitiveness)?

    I don't know if you work in LNG or not but please stop lecturing like we've found El Dorado here. You are getting a little delirious.

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  • Amazinglyblue78 said...

    Coupled with unemployment, spending, decreasing salaries. He is definitely climbing the list.

    Obama is decreasing salaries? Might want to talk to your employer about that. We are in a depression, these are the results. And this has been a problem building up from the 1950's, but especially since the 70's. I don't agree with everything we have done either, but the spending is the good part and we haven't been doing enough of it. We have mostly addressed the issues through monetary policy. GDP= C+I+G+(exp-imp). Consumer spending + business Investment + Government spending + balance of trade. How can you grow GDP if you restrict G or C?

    dgoz

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    No they weren't. The downturn happened after the loan was guaranteed. The loan process was in the works for years and only was sped up because of the ARA. The turn in prices happened around the same time.

    Again. This is a very small failure rate compared to all the investments made.

    Wrong again. They were never in the ball park of competing in the industry. You act as if a downturn caused their failure when they were failing before. Their loan was shot down twice by the Bush Admin and was surprisingly fast tracked once Obama took office.

    Also, I didn't recall it being $535 million. That is insane.

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  • justinboze said...

    Wrong again. They were never in the ball park of competing in the industry. You act as if a downturn caused their failure when they were failing before. Their loan was shot down twice by the Bush Admin and was surprisingly fast tracked once Obama took office.

    Also, I didn't recall it being $535 million. That is insane.

    It's a drop in the bucket compared to the loans committed. You are blowing this WAY out of proportion.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    It's a drop in the bucket compared to the loans committed. You are blowing this WAY out of proportion.

    In the overall scheme of things it is a drop in the bucket. This is a political thread about energy so naturally Solyndra is going to be mentioned.

    I am not blowing it out of proportion, but rather debunking your arguments for defending it. Your constant defense of it makes it seem that you have no problem with it but we all know that had Bush done it that you would be all over it. Since Bush shot it down twice and Obama guatanteed it, you are defending it.

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  • justinboze said...

    In the overall scheme of things it is a drop in the bucket. This is a political thread about energy so naturally Solyndra is going to be mentioned.

    I am not blowing it out of proportion, but rather debunking your arguments for defending it. Your constant defense of it makes it seem that you have no problem with it but we all know that had Bush done it that you would be all over it. Since Bush shot it down twice and Obama guatanteed it, you are defending it.

    God. Give the bush shit a rest.

    The company was around for years before it got its loan. It went bankrupt years after getting its loan.

    It was a failure in an emerging industry. Pretty common.

    A small failure rate in the grand scheme of investments.

    It's the politicizing of the loan that irks you. If its proven, I'll eat crow.

    Otherwise it's just hot air.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    God. Give the bush shit a rest.

    The company was around for years before it got its loan. It went bankrupt years after getting its loan.

    It was a failure in an emerging industry. Pretty common.

    A small failure rate in the grand scheme of investments.

    It's the politicizing of the loan that irks you. If its proven, I'll eat crow.

    Otherwise it's just hot air.

    Again, you are defending it by saying it could've happened to anybody, pretty common, etc.

    It's laughable to see you put "Give the Bush shit a rest" since blaming Bush is your party's motto.

    I would look like a complete moron if I was defending Obama or Bush for something that stupid. And it's the stupidity of it that irks people and makes it look like a shady deal.

    justinboze ●

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