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Someone explain why gas prices have tripled since 2003.

  • rms02d said...

    This is an ignorant statement.

    The US is one of the worlds leaders in the exportation of jet fuel and gasoline.

    You can't be a world leader in gasoline exports unless you have an acceptable amount of refineries.

    However, many refineries on the west coast are temporarily shutting down for "spring maintenance" But this is an annual thing there.

    This. And in another thread weve already discussed the lack of new refineries over the last two administrations due to various reasons including real estate prices near water etc. I hate to break it to some folks,but the production,refinement and sale of oil is a very complex,global phenomenon. We could open up all of our 2% of world reserves tomorrow, but of Iran attacked Israel and Saudi Arabia jumped in,gas would jump to $10 a gallon nonetheless.

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  • Pink Sock said...

    And those that have driven gold prices to an all-time high. Same policies, same result.

    I will give you this. Gold, silver, crude oil, and several other commodities have also been driven way higher due to a weak dollar (inflation, which shows no signs of slowing down, especially with the enormous amount of debt were in with China).

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  • GONIG BUCK said...

    For argument's sake, let's say no. Let's say, single parent household (not on welfare), two kids, and all the expenses that come with that situation. Let's also say, for argument's sake, the parent needs a car to get to work, and pick kids up from school/daycare.

    Does the parent need a car to get to work or does he/she want a car? Big difference. Also, how old are the kids? Are they able to catch a bus to school? At the end of the day, it's about prioritizing, and with the example above, there should be a fine line between needs and wants.

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  • Action Figure said...

    Does the parent need a car to get to work or does he/she want a car? Big difference. Also, how old are the kids? Are they able to catch a bus to school? At the end of the day, it's about prioritizing, and with the example above, there should be a fine line between needs and wants.

    I said "needs a car," didn't I?

    I guess what my point is, if a low-income family is able to save any money every month, I doubt it'd be spent in the stock market. At least in my personal experience working with low-income families. Money is saved for new school clothes or a birthday present. I know I can't speak all low-income families, but that's just what I've come across. The stock market is the last thing on their minds.

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  • Action Figure said...

    The only dumbasses who will get destroyed during times of high crude oil prices, and consequently, high gas prices are the ones who don't know how to play the stock market during those times.

    What about all the trucking companies that went out of business in 2008 when gas peaked?
    They were under contract to deliver goods at their contract price and when gas peaked, they were operating at a loss and tons of smaller trucking companies went out of business.

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  • GONIG BUCK said...

    I said "needs a car," didn't I?

    I guess what my point is, if a low-income family is able to save any money every month, I doubt it'd be spent in the stock market. At least in my personal experience working with low-income families. Money is saved for new school clothes or a birthday present. I know I can't speak all low-income families, but that's just what I've come across. The stock market is the last thing on their minds.

    And my point is, instead of putting your money in a rinky dink ass savings account earning next to nothing interest, you could invest in say a dividend reinvestment plan (as low as $50 per month) with a blue chip/capital efficient company and earn way more. To each his own, though.

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  • Action Figure said...

    And my point is, instead of putting your money in a rinky dink ass savings account earning next to nothing interest, you could invest in say a dividend reinvestment plan (as low as $50 per month) with a blue chip/capital efficient company and earn way more. To each his own, though.

    Fifty bucks, while maybe not a lot for you, is an extra 600 dollars a year that could be used in other, emergent situations. Dental fillings/prescription drugs/etc. I get what you're saying, but for a lot of people it's just not feasible.

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  • GONIG BUCK said...

    Fifty bucks, while maybe not a lot for you, is an extra 600 dollars a year that could be used in other, emergent situations. Dental fillings/prescription drugs/etc. I get what you're saying, but for a lot of people it's just not feasible.

    You just said if a low income family could save every month, so I gave an example on how they could generate more money than with your typical savings account. And to be honest, based on your example, a car shouldn't be a necessity.

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  • Action Figure said...

    And my point is, instead of putting your money in a rinky dink ass savings account earning next to nothing interest, you could invest in say a dividend reinvestment plan (as low as $50 per month) with a blue chip/capital efficient company and earn way more. To each his own, though.

    Some cant put 50 bucks a month in an investment. And to be honest the vast majority would have no idea how to do it anyhow.

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  • Action Figure said...

    You just said if a low income family could save every month, so I gave an example on how they could generate more money than with your typical savings account. And to be honest, based on your example, a car shouldn't be a necessity.

    How would a car not be a necessity?

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  • BamaShack said...

    How would a car not be a necessity?

    Our New 'Tough Oil' World | The Nation

    Why twenty-first century oil will break the bank—and the planet.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Still.. How would a car not be a must have? I drive 15 miles to work everyday. Solid 45 minutes in traffic (Fvck me). But I'm not walking. So I need my truck.

    When the oil companies stop posting 10 billion dollar quarters and rationalizing themselves by saying they only making 7 cents a gallon on gas compared to 50 cents our government makes on taxes, then the price at the pump might come down.

    Exxon makes 10+ billion a quarter in profit. Thats just nasty money. And our government has their hands all in it.

    Big Oil's $38 billion defense

    The oil industry is under fire from lawmakers and the public for making billions as gas prices rise near record highs, squeezing household budgets across America.

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  • A car is a necessity in non-metro areas. There is no public transportation that comes within 10 miles of my house here in Tuscaloosa. While I earn my stripes in my field, I'm making $8/hour and it takes 2 gallons of gas to get to work and back. 1 hour of work every day goes strictly to the gas tank. I can't tell you how much that sucks.

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  • Action Figure said...

    You just said if a low income family could save every month, so I gave an example on how they could generate more money than with your typical savings account. And to be honest, based on your example, a car shouldn't be a necessity.

    So a single mother doesn't need a vehicle to get back and forth to work? Is she suppose to walk the 5 miles to the imaginary job that's not there anymore? Most rural areas have no jobs and if you're lucky enough to find one chances are your aren't driving to it. I guess you have had to been in the situation to be even in the least be sympathetic. I agree in theory that putting money in stocks is a great thing. But let's be real. A single income mother,who works 50 hours a week after walking 5 miles to get there isn't going to spend the 50 bucks a week she has left on stocks. She's probably going to buy groceries. Simply put, my mother worked 2 job raising me by herself when my piece of shit father walked out on us. He was supposed to be the provider. He didn't. My mom busted her ass and struggled for 18 years to give me a head start. She did her job. There are 0 easy outs in that situation.

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  • BamaShack said...

    How would a car not be a necessity?

    It depends on the economic situation. What's a necessity for you may not be for the next man.

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  • BamaShack said...

    Still.. How would a car not be a must have? I drive 15 miles to work everyday. Solid 45 minutes in traffic (Fvck me). But I'm not walking. So I need my truck.

    When the oil companies stop posting 10 billion dollar quarters and rationalizing themselves by saying they only making 7 cents a gallon on gas compared to 50 cents our government makes on taxes, then the price at the pump might come down.

    Exxon makes 10+ billion a quarter in profit. Thats just nasty money. And our government has their hands all in it.

    Ha. Sorry, I didn't mean to quote you. I think having a car is a necessity depending on location. If you live in a urban area with adequate public transit then a car wouldn't be a necessity. I drive 30 minutes everyday to school in my 20mpg '95 Toyota Camry, I feel ya.

    On oil companies and their relations with every level of government, I don't want to even get started or else I'll freak. I've seen studies/reports how our subsidization and indirect costs associated with gas help bring the cost down as compared to a true cost, but I still haven't seen someone explain in relation to the fact that oil companies make profits that are much higher proportionally to the subsidies themselves. I don't know. Maybe someone will come in here and clarify.

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  • Action Figure said...

    It depends on the economic situation. What's a necessity for you may not be for the next man.

    I guess everyone who tries to start a trucking company and gets hurt by gas prices rising is in your words a dumbass.
    They make contracts based on price and if they included price of gas for each individual shipment, the stores/companies they delivered the goods to would have to fluctuate their prices every time they received a delivery which would cost them more in changing the price tags on the shelves.
    The goods need to reach their destination somehow and higher gas prices do indeed effect everything in our lives. If it costs more to ship, it costs more to buy.

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  • Dr.Stache said...

    So a single mother doesn't need a vehicle to get back and forth to work? Is she suppose to walk the 5 miles to the imaginary job that's not there anymore? Most rural areas have no jobs and if you're lucky enough to find one chances are your aren't driving to it. I guess you have had to been in the situation to be even in the least be sympathetic. I agree in theory that putting money in stocks is a great thing. But let's be real. A single income mother,who works 50 hours a week after walking 5 miles to get there isn't going to spend the 50 bucks a week she has left on stocks. She's probably going to buy groceries. Simply put, my mother worked 2 job raising me by herself when my piece of shit father walked out on us. He was supposed to be the provider. He didn't. My mom busted her ass and struggled for 18 years to give me a head start. She did her job. There are 0 easy outs in that situation.

    Had to have been there? How about I was there. Your situation is no different than mine, except my pops was ghost from the get go. And, the reason why I'm saying that a car isn't a necessity in some situations is because it's not. Growing up, having a roof over my head, food on the table, and clothes on my back were the necessities. As far as a car was concerned, my moms use to catch the bus to work until she saved up enough money to cop her a '90 Geo Prizm.

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  • BamaShack said...

    Still.. How would a car not be a must have? I drive 15 miles to work everyday. Solid 45 minutes in traffic (Fvck me). But I'm not walking. So I need my truck.

    When the oil companies stop posting 10 billion dollar quarters and rationalizing themselves by saying they only making 7 cents a gallon on gas compared to 50 cents our government makes on taxes, then the price at the pump might come down.

    Exxon makes 10+ billion a quarter in profit. Thats just nasty money. And our government has their hands all in it.

    absolute total BS , the whole situation is a joke

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Ha. Sorry, I didn't mean to quote you. I think having a car is a necessity depending on location. If you live in a urban area with adequate public transit then a car wouldn't be a necessity. I drive 30 minutes everyday to school in my 20mpg '95 Toyota Camry, I feel ya.

    On oil companies and their relations with every level of government, I don't want to even get started or else I'll freak. I've seen studies/reports how our subsidization and indirect costs associated with gas help bring the cost down as compared to a true cost, but I still haven't seen someone explain in relation to the fact that oil companies make profits that are much higher proportionally to the subsidies themselves. I don't know. Maybe someone will come in here and clarify.

    It comes down to return on investment. Net profit is a worthless number to determine the success of a business. Compare the investment oil companies make to the investment companies with lower net profits make and you'll see that they're pretty much on par or even below companies in most other industries.

    If one man invests $2,000 in a stock and gains 10% and another man invests $500 in the same stock, the net profit for the higher investment is greater, as is the risk, but the return isn't. When you divide those net profits among the billions of shareholders, it really does boil down to ROI and each investor simply gets their share of that. Plus, it isn't like the company is hoarding all of this money. Those net profits are always either, a) paid out to the shareholders, resulting in stonger 401k's or pensions for your average person, or b) reinvested in the economy, resulting in jobs somewhere. The profits don't ever go anywhere else.

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  • Pink Sock said...

    Remove the sarcasm and you're right.

    Like they weren't rising before? GTFO

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  • spcbuzzard said...

    Like they weren't rising before? GTFO

    baby

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  • Pink Sock said...

    Obama's economic policies have driven the price of oil. Approximately 70% of the price increase is due completely to that moron.

    Can we just get the election over so I don't have to listen to this siht anymore. I'm seriously thinking about voting for Obama just to piss off all his haters.

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  • spcbuzzard said...

    Can we just get the election over so I don't have to listen to this siht anymore. I'm seriously thinking about voting for Obama just to piss off all his haters.

    Solid reason to vote.

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  • thats a great idea then we can bitch about everything for another 4 yrs -the price of gas is outrageous and going up , its a bitch

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