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Speaking of Bias ... Tell me which team should be ranked higher?

  • Hskr4Life23 said...

    so, would you put louisiana lafayette about #6 then?

    Ohio St hasn't scored 60+ pts on a conference foe, or BCS conference member in over 10 seasons (probably longer, but I didn't want to guess)

    ...Until Nebraska this season.

    CRgator1

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    So you agree with me that Florida should be ranked ahead of Alabama

    This would be my top 20 right now

    1-Notre Dame
    2-Florida
    3-Oregon
    4-Alabama
    5-Florida St
    6-Georgia
    7-Kansas St
    8-Ohio St
    9-Stanford
    10-LSU
    11-Oregon St
    12-Texas A&M
    13-UCLA
    14-Oklahoma
    15-Clemson
    16-South Car
    17-Nebraska
    18-Texas
    19-Arizona
    20-USC

    I'll play along even though you'll backtrack on your usual arguments to spin something. You tout resumes, so how can you list Oregon over Bama? Both have the same record, both played 1FCS team, both lost to top 10 teams (Stanford 8, TAMU 9) at home by less than 1 score, yet:

    Alabama has the better Non-Conference win in #19 Michigan. Oregon didn't even play a BCS school out of conference (which you love to bash)

    Alabama has the better overall win in LSU who is #7, compared to Arizona at 24.

    Alabama has the top two wins of either team, and both came away from home.

    Just interested in hearing how Oregon has a better resume.

    Fogtown

  • Fogtown said...

    I'll play along even though you'll backtrack on your usual arguments to spin something. You tout resumes, so how can you list Oregon over Bama? Both have the same record, both played 1FCS team, both lost to top 10 teams (Stanford 8, TAMU 9) at home by less than 1 score, yet:

    Alabama has the better Non-Conference win in #19 Michigan. Oregon didn't even play a BCS school out of conference (which you love to bash)

    Alabama has the better overall win in LSU who is #7, compared to Arizona at 24.

    Alabama has the top two wins of either team, and both came away from home.

    Just interested in hearing how Oregon has a better resume.

    undefeated in regulation bro. Straight from Les Miles mouth.

    Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

    MJRuffalo

  • MJRuffalo said...

    undefeated in regulation bro. Straight from Les Miles mouth.

    Was Corky from "Life Goes On" not available for a quote?

    BetterOff

  • Fogtown said...

    I'll play along even though you'll backtrack on your usual arguments to spin something. You tout resumes, so how can you list Oregon over Bama? Both have the same record, both played 1FCS team, both lost to top 10 teams (Stanford 8, TAMU 9) at home by less than 1 score, yet:

    Alabama has the better Non-Conference win in #19 Michigan. Oregon didn't even play a BCS school out of conference (which you love to bash)

    Alabama has the better overall win in LSU who is #7, compared to Arizona at 24.

    Alabama has the top two wins of either team, and both came away from home.

    Just interested in hearing how Oregon has a better resume.

    They both have 1 loss.
    Oregon lost to a higher ranked team, but A&M isn't that far behind.
    Alabama does have the better win at LSU.

    But Oregon, if they beat Oregon St will have beaten 3 teams that are better than Alabama's next best
    win over Michigan. Wins vs @USC, Arizona, @Oregon St. and a 4th team Washington, that is about even
    to Michigan. So that's 3 to 2 right now and 4 to 2 quality wins if the Ducks beat Oregon St.

    Obviously if Oregon doesn't beat Oregon St then there is no discussion.

    The funny thing about the Bammer pundits is it was all about who had the best loss last year since they won that argument vs Oklahoma St, but lose the argument over who had more quality wins vs Ok St.

    Now all you will hear is how having the best win is important because they lose the best loss argument.
    It's changed to whatever is conveniant for their own cause.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • @USC is supposed to be considered a good win? coffee

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  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    They both have 1 loss. Oregon lost to a higher ranked team, but A&M isn't that far behind. Alabama does have the better win at LSU.

    But Oregon, if they beat Oregon St will have beaten 3 teams that are better than Alabama's next best win over Michigan. Wins vs @USC, Arizona, @Oregon St. and a 4th team Washington, that is about even to Michigan. So that's 3 to 2 right now and 4 to 2 quality wins if the Ducks beat Oregon St.

    Obviously if Oregon doesn't beat Oregon St then there is no discussion.

    The funny thing about the Bammer pundits is it was all about who had the best loss last year since they won that argument vs Oklahoma St, but lose the argument over who had more quality wins vs Ok St.

    Now all you will hear is how having the best win is important because they lose the best loss argument. It's changed to whatever is conveniant for their own cause.

    narrative changes every year.

    Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

    MJRuffalo

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    @USC is supposed to be considered a good win? coffee

    Sure, why not. Only losses are to ranked teams, and have a road win over a ranked team.

    This post was edited by MJRuffalo on 11/18/2012 at 9:09 PM

    Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

    MJRuffalo

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    @USC is supposed to be considered a good win? coffee

    Certainly a better win than Michigan or Miss St

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • 7-5

    Prepare your anus.

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    BamaLivesFootba

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    7-5

    Prepare your anus.

    I don't know why, but I am confident for this one. I have been worried before every game we lost this year, and pretty confident prior to every win. My radar had been on point this season for USC. Not going into games thinking we would lose, but I was concerned that we could lose in every loss. Not that feeling before the games we won.

    Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

    MJRuffalo

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    7-5

    Prepare your anus.

    Even if we lose to ND our 7-5 will be greater than their ( Mich) 8-5.

    That was a joke, you dig

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Even if we lose to ND our 7-5 will be greater than their ( Mich) 8-5.

    That was a joke, you dig

    Even still, that would be impossible because Michigan will be 10-3. coffee

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Even still, that would be impossible because Michigan will be 10-3. coffee

    Nm. Was making fun of the our 75 is better than your 85 or 114 in Bama's case.

    Even at 10-3 , SC at 7-5 is a better team than Michigan. The schedule is why

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    They both have 1 loss.
    Oregon lost to a higher ranked team, but A&M isn't that far behind.
    Alabama does have the better win at LSU.

    But Oregon, if they beat Oregon St will have beaten 3 teams that are better than Alabama's next best
    win over Michigan. Wins vs @USC, Arizona, @Oregon St. and a 4th team Washington, that is about even
    to Michigan. So that's 3 to 2 right now and 4 to 2 quality wins if the Ducks beat Oregon St.

    Obviously if Oregon doesn't beat Oregon St then there is no discussion.

    The funny thing about the Bammer pundits is it was all about who had the best loss last year since they won that argument vs Oklahoma St, but lose the argument over who had more quality wins vs Ok St.

    Now all you will hear is how having the best win is important because they lose the best loss argument.
    It's changed to whatever is conveniant for their own cause.

    If we're playing the what if game, then if Michigan beats Ohio St that's as good as any Oregon win. Not to mention, you're including a likely 5 loss USC, potential 5 loss Arizona, and 4 loss Wahington. Can we use Miss St in that case?

    Also, if Oregon and Stanford win next week and we go on to be a top 5 UGA team at a neutral site, would you still give Oregon a better resume?

    And I fail to see how you can differentiate between the two losses. Can't compare those two equally to Iowa St and LSU last year. And there's more than a decent chance that Stanford loses this week (yes I know putting Oregon back in the PAC 12 title game) at which case would make TAMU a better loss.

    Also, you had a problem with us not winning the conference or division last year. Do you factor that in for Oregon this year as well?

    This post was edited by Fogtown on 11/18/2012 at 9:35 PM

    Fogtown

  • MJRuffalo said...

    actually are certainly a top-20 team by bookmakers. When money is on the line, all the bullshit is thrown aside.

    4 losses says otherwise...

    UMWolverines

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Nm. Was making fun of the our 75 is better than your 85 or 114 in Bama's case.

    Even at 10-3 , SC at 7-5 is a better team than Michigan. The schedule is why

    Ha

    UMWolverines

  • CRgator1 said...

    Ohio St hasn't scored 60+ pts on a conference foe, or BCS conference member in over 10 seasons (probably longer, but I didn't want to guess)

    ...Until Nebraska this season.

    This discussion has nothing to do with Nebraska. I never said they belonged in the top ten, so I don't get your point.

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    Hskr4Life23

  • Fogtown said...

    If we're playing the what if game, then if Michigan beats Ohio St that's as good as any Oregon win. Not to mention, you're including a likely 5 loss USC, potential 5 loss Arizona, and 4 loss Wahington. Can we use Miss St in that case?

    Also, if Oregon and Stanford win next week and we go on to be a top 5 UGA team at a neutral site, would you still give Oregon a better resume?

    And I fail to see how you can differentiate between the two losses. Can't compare those two equally to Iowa St and LSU last year. And there's more than a decent chance that Stanford loses this week (yes I know putting Oregon back in the PAC 12 title game) at which case would make TAMU a better loss.

    Also, you had a problem with us not winning the conference or division last year. Do you factor that in for Oregon this year as well?

    If Michigan beats Ohio St that will be like the Ducks best win, but that only means that Michigan
    will have a resume equal to Washington's. Michigan/ Washington = same

    As far as your question about if Bama beats Georgia, would I still have Oregon with a better resume?
    At that point I think it would be real close, and probably come down to a review of the top 6-8 teams
    each played.

    The two losses are pretty close. But the point is that last year there was no talk about the quality wins Ok St had, only about how Bama's loss was better. This year you can't use that, so all the talk will be that the win over LSU was better.

    I did have a problem with Alabama not winning their division last year and still going to the title game last year.
    But since Alabama was allowed to do it, I guess everyone should be allowed to do it now since they already went down that road. Maybe that road is only for Alabama or Florida.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • Oregon gone get left out and its going to bring the lulz OTB

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    BamaLivesFootba

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Oregon gone get left out and its going to bring the lulz OTB

    Do you really think that UF is gonna beat FSU?

    Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

    MJRuffalo

  • MJRuffalo said...

    Do you really think that UF is gonna beat FSU?

    Nope. I have a new vision. Florida, Notre Dame and UCLA lose. Oregon doesn't play on the 30th. Kansas State skullfvck a Texas on championship weekend and they jump over Oregon. It...would...be...CRAY...

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    BamaLivesFootba

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Nope. I have a new vision. Florida, Notre Dame and UCLA lose. Oregon doesn't play on the 30th. Kansas State skullfvck a Texas on championship weekend and they jump over Oregon. It...would...be...CRAY...

    not gonna happen.

    Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

    MJRuffalo

  • MJRuffalo said...

    not gonna happen.

    Never say never dood

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  • Fogtown said...

    I'll play along even though you'll backtrack on your usual arguments to spin something. You tout resumes, so how can you list Oregon over Bama? Both have the same record, both played 1FCS team, both lost to top 10 teams (Stanford 8, TAMU 9) at home by less than 1 score, yet:

    Alabama has the better Non-Conference win in #19 Michigan. Oregon didn't even play a BCS school out of conference (which you love to bash)

    Alabama has the better overall win in LSU who is #7, compared to Arizona at 24.

    Alabama has the top two wins of either team, and both came away from home.

    Just interested in hearing how Oregon has a better resume.

    Records vs Top 30 teams
    (from Sagarin)

    The PAC's top 7 teams are
    24-18 (.571) vs the top 30

    The SEC's top 7 teams are
    14-12 (.538) vs the top 30

    PAC's top 7 teams- 42 games vs top 30
    SEC's top 7 teams- 26 games vs top 30

    PAC 12
    =========
    Oregon 4-1
    Stanford 5-2
    Oregon St 4-2
    UCLA 4-1
    Arizona 3-4
    USC 2-4
    Wash 2-4

    SEC
    =========
    Florida 3-1
    Alabama 3-1
    LSU 4-2
    Texas A&M 2-2
    Georgia 1-1
    South Car 1-2
    Miss State 0-3

    PAC has 10 more wins and has played 16 more games vs top 30 than the SEC.
    Both conf. top 7 teams are 4-7 vs top 10 teams.

    Others
    =============
    Notre Dame 3-0
    Kansas St 3-1
    Oklahoma 3-2
    Florida St 1-0
    Clemson 0-1

    Big Ten
    ===========
    Ohio State 2-0
    Nebraska 2-2
    Wisconsin 1-3
    MICHIGAN 0-3

    NcaaAssassinG13

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