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Stanford without Luck

  • Since the era of Andrew luck is over with at Stanford, what do you guys think the future for the cardinals is? Do they continue to win or go back to mediocrity? I kinda enjoy watching another team in the Pac do good besides USC and Oregon

    scarface4778

  • I think they will be more of a hard nose running type team this year untill they can find a new QB with some games under his belt. But they will still be a good team and will make a bowl games.

    hillbillyzombie

  • They have established an identity of a hard nosed running team. They are the Wisconsin of the Pac12. They will be successful for the next 5 years and continue to compete with Oregon and USC.

    purple_rein

  • This discussion has made fools of many.....rather, it has revealed many fools. When a superstar departs the program can be predicted based on the reproduce-ability of their scheme. For instance, Urban Meyer and Gus Malzhan's schemes were guided by the most perfect player-scheme fits we may ever see. It was not reproducible.

    Bama ensures success because their scheme is so simple. It's based on winning in the trenches which they can due to recruiting ability and base, a power run game, and simple route trees that are generally open due to the run game.

    Same with Stanford. It's one of the 5 most reproducible schemes in America I'd say. They need a good decision maker with a strong arm and that's it. They will pound the rock like few others and hit open people in play action. Plus their recent success has really ramped up defensive recruiting.

    fsufsu

  • They will remind me of 08 bama. A strong running game, big nasty OL, and will win games. I hope they win their conference this year cause I would love to play them in a BCS bowl

    scarface4778

  • They have done a great job in recruiting and developing their players.

    Development is the key (duh..), and getting kids to fit within their scheme. I think the Cardinals are legitimate and will remain a Top 25 caliber program without Luck

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  • scarface4778 said...

    They will remind me of 08 bama. A strong running game, big nasty OL, and will win games. I hope they win their conference this year cause I would love to play them in a BCS bowl

    Yeah their OL is going to be very good over the next few years and I am not looking forward to playing against them.

    hillbillyzombie

  • One of the reasons their power running game works so well is that Oregon has forced most Pac teams to adapt to a smaller quicker defense. Luck was so good that he forced safeties and linebackers to respect his arm and play soft on the run. He also could break from the pocket and run for yardage. If you did play an 8 man front he could kill you with his short passing game. Stanford's TEs were exceptional.

    I think the loss of Harbaugh will factor in more than the loss of Luck. His mentality was still there last season. It will fade as the players he coached graduate.

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  • scarface4778 said...

    Since the era of Andrew luck is over with at Stanford, what do you guys think the future for the cardinals is? Do they continue to win or go back to mediocrity? I kinda enjoy watching another team in the Pac do good besides USC and Oregon

    It will be interested to see, but it is not as if they were a one man team. IMO this is the begining of a long run in football success for them. You cannot go to a better school that also has strong athletics on the west coast

    Coastal Eer

  • Under Review said...

    One of the reasons their power running game works so well is that Oregon has forced most Pac teams to adapt to a smaller quicker defense. Luck was so good that he forced safeties and linebackers to respect his arm and play soft on the run. He also could break from the pocket and run for yardage. If you did play an 8 man front he could kill you with his short passing game. Stanford's TEs were exceptional.

    I think the loss of Harbaugh will factor in more than the loss of Luck. His mentality was still there last season. It will fade as the players he coached graduate.

    Harbaugh is an obvious monster in the profession right now but the guy they got came with sky high recommendations. That OL class they just signed warrants a triple take. You just keep staring at it expecting it to change lol

    fsufsu

  • Coastal Eer said...

    It will be interested to see, but it is not as if they were a one man team. IMO this is the begining of a long run in football success for them. You cannot go to a better school that also has strong athletics on the west coast

    I agree completely.

    scarface4778

  • I think they just play a winning brand of football. I think this is somewhat of a down year, 8 or 9 wins, but they are still going to be very dangerous in the conference for even the big boys.

    They have taken advantage of a few things in the state of California as well with the state's economy dragging UCLA and Cal down a bit and making it difficult to compete with the money that USC and Stanford have available being private schools.

    This past recruiting class was very impressive in the trenches and that should keep them where they want to be. Even with Luck gone, they are going to have a steady stream of good QB talent for the foreseable future, IMO. They just need to be able to get a couple of those big time playmakes that tend to go to Oregon and USC to come there and they will be just as complete.

    BetterOff

  • They have 2 of the better RBs in the west(Stepfan Taylor and Tyler Gaffney) and despite losing 2 all-americans on the OL will still have a solid line with a scary amount of incoming talent. They won't be as good as last year, but they aren't going anywhere.

    stoptothink

  • bhiley77 said...

    I think that's a bit of a stretch. Cal is building brand new facilities, the fact they suck is completely unrelated to any economic factors.

    Have to agree here. They have done a solid job bringing in donor dollars and seat licensing is around the corner. Cal's problem is, well, Jeff Teford and he's got an extension through 2015.

    Stanford will continue to be a contender. They have done a very good job recruiting against Kiffin and USC. Small side note, it is the Stanford Cardinal, singular. Yes, the color Cardinal officially represents their athletic teams.

    wild pony714

  • wild pony714 said...

    Have to agree here. They have done a solid job bringing in donor dollars and seat licensing is around the corner. Cal's problem is, well, Jeff Teford and he's got an extension through 2015.

    Stanford will continue to be a contender. They have done a very good job recruiting against Kiffin and USC. Small side note, it is the Stanford Cardinal, singular. Yes, the color Cardinal officially represents their athletic teams.

    Money is definitely a concern for UCLA for sure. That's why they keep lowballing HC's and their assistants.

    It would be a bigger deal for California as well if Tedford had not of gotten his contract as early as he did. Seat licensing is a must for Cal, as any public funds have to be approved from the State and that has been a problem recently.

    BetterOff

  • wild pony714 said...

    Have to agree here. They have done a solid job bringing in donor dollars and seat licensing is around the corner. Cal's problem is, well, Jeff Teford and he's got an extension through 2015.

    Stanford will continue to be a contender. They have done a very good job recruiting against Kiffin and USC. Small side note, it is the Stanford Cardinal, singular. Yes, the color Cardinal officially represents their athletic teams.

    I could see oregon decline before Stanford..they just play tough, smart, disciplined football.

    Also, the type of player Stanford attracts would never consider oregon, lol. USC is a push...if Cal had a stronger coach, they would definitely be in the mix.

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    usctrojan1

  • Stanford signed a couple of future NFL guys in their 2011 class (ie. James Vaughters) & their 2012 class was among the top 5-7 in the nation. For 2013, I know specifically in Georgia, Stanford has done a great job targeting under-the-radar prospects before other schools have identified these guys. One such guy that Stanford has been recruiting in Georgia is a QB that reminds me of a young Andrew Luck or RGIII in that the kid is very accurate, well above average athletically/mobility-wise and he is very good in the classroom along with coming from a good/strong family.

    It's signing beasts on the O-line as they did in 2012 and identifying the potential next great QB before other schools get on him are 2 of the many reasons why I think Stanford remains a perennial top 10-15 team as long as the core of their current staff remains intact.

    Tell people what they want to hear, they will like you. Tell them the actual truth...they may not.

    BamaBornDukie

  • Stanford will be good this year with their whole front 7 returning on D and hopefully Skov. If Skov didn't blow out his knee last year they might've made the title game.

    Losing him really hurt them against Oregon.

    Alonzo Harris

  • BetterOff said...

    Money is definitely a concern for UCLA for sure. That's why they keep lowballing HC's and their assistants.

    It would be a bigger deal for California as well if Tedford had not of gotten his contract as early as he did. Seat licensing is a must for Cal, as any public funds have to be approved from the State and that has been a problem recently.

    Money is no longer an issue. The PAC 12 has the largest conference television deal kicking in this season. An average of over 20 million per year for each school. It financed the coaching changes at Washington, UCLA, Washington St, Arizona, amd Arizona St this offseason.
    Stanford will still be good. Probably 8-4 this year. In their division, however, they will have to contend with Oregon, Washington, and Cal.

    GreeneTrojan

  • GreeneTrojan said...

    Money is no longer an issue. The PAC 12 has the largest conference television deal kicking in this season. An average of over 20 million per year for each school. It financed the coaching changes at Washington, UCLA, Washington St, Arizona, amd Arizona St this offseason. Stanford will still be good. Probably 8-4 this year. In their division, however, they will have to contend with Oregon, Washington, and Cal.

    Cal, UCLA and Washington join Stanford and USC as top fundraising universities, if UCLA and Cals alums had the chance to funnel some of that money into sports - football specifically, they would do better than the a majority of the universities across the country.

    Bet that TV money goes into academics in those public schools....

    This post was edited by usctrojan1 on 4/24/2012 at 2:05 PM

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  • scarface4778 said...

    Since the era of Andrew luck is over with at Stanford, what do you guys think the future for the cardinals is? Do they continue to win or go back to mediocrity? I kinda enjoy watching another team in the Pac do good besides USC and Oregon

    95% of the comments I see is that Stanford will now return to being The Standord we grew up with. I don't think that's happening. This year might be a struggle, but they've recruited very, very good the last 2/3 years. Harbaugh showed them the blueprint to get it done on and off the field. They are recruiting an the national level. We never use to worry about Stanford in GA/FL/east coast kids that's not the case anymore. They get on them early too. Will be interesting watching their new QB and OL.

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  • Alonzo Harris said...

    Stanford will be good this year with their whole front 7 returning on D and hopefully Skov. If Skov didn't blow out his knee last year they might've made the title game.

    Losing him really hurt them against Oregon.

    Could swear I read somewhere that Skov may not be ready to play this year.

    stoptothink

  • Stanford was 5th in the nation in time of possession. That always helps defenses.

    Stanford only played three good teams with Luck last year. USC was the only one they beat and it took 3 OTs.

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  • As long as they run the ball effectively and play good defense they will be a threat for the NC, for a good 7-10 years. Shaw is surprisingly doing a very good job there. That last recruiting class was insane.

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