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WRobins said...
One would have to wonder if the original "study" were completed by a special interest group. It could be skewed on purpose.
Nonetheless, you are free to believe whatever you want. I try not to define or label, or even involve myself in "political discussions" because they always end the same way: finger pointing and nothing accomplished.
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VTSmitty said...
Well, I figured if the left was heavily involved, then the results could purposefully be skewed. If conservatives were involved, and the results indicate conservatives just ain't all that bright, how could you trust their results? So, the results are skewed no matter who participated.
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bhiley77 said...
About once a year, there's a new "social scientists at Berkeley spend $$$ on study to conclude conservatives are dumb" article. I think it's great, please keep them coming guys.
In general this thread has delivered, thank you to all involved (not just "Nate Silver 'predicted' the most obvious landslide of generation; obviously has crystal ball" guy who deserves a special mention).
Way to misinterpret what I was saying.
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CMXI said...
Obviously, graduating from a top university doesn't automatically qualify you to run the country (and it's a massive overgeneralization to say that "libs" think that it does), but there's a world of difference between "graduating from a top university" and "Editor of the Harvard Law Review." Editor of the Harvard Law Review means you're one of, if not the best student at one of, if not the best law school in the country. I graduated from a top university, but I don't hold a candle to Editor of the Harvard Law Review.
Also, damn, if being a U.S. Senator doesn't mean anything, what in the hell qualifies a person to be president?
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CMXI said...
Obviously, graduating from a top university doesn't automatically qualify you to run the country (and it's a massive overgeneralization to say that "libs" think that it does), but there's a world of difference between "graduating from a top university" and "Editor of the Harvard Law Review." Editor of the Harvard Law Review means you're one of, if not the best student at one of, if not the best law school in the country. I graduated from a top university, but I don't hold a candle to Editor of the Harvard Law Review.
Also, damn, if being a U.S. Senator doesn't mean anything, what in the hell qualifies a person to be president?
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Clemson said...
I'll keep it short for now, as its lunch time.
-Devaluation of the dollar/dilution of the money supply. -Creates a false sense of improvement by surging stock prices, low interest rates. What happens when rates surge back up? The bond market is going to be interesting to watch. -Inflation is going to grow through the roof.
I can't remember who said it, but there was a quote along the lines of "Bernanke is building skyscrapers on unstable ground".
How do you think QE3 is going to be affective? How are lower interest rates correlated to decreasing the unemployment rate?
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ColumbiaTider said...
Listen...Liberalism in it purest form with zero corruption ideologically is a great idea....BUT, we do not live in a world without corruption and with 100% of the citizens of this nation that are hard working. If we were able to live in a place where everyone worked hard and reasonably used the same amount of effort then I would have no problem with everyone getting the same things.
Additionally, universal althcare is a great idea. I would love everyone to not have to worry about how they are going to pay for their medical care. I recently had my appendix taken out. I was in the hospital for 18 hours and didn't spend the night. My bill...$ 37,000 the reason??? Because the government created a federal law stating that hospitals can deny care to no one. Hospitals never receive 80% of what they bill out because the people are "indigant" I sat in the waiting room writhing in pain behind teenagers sitting on their I Phones that had no insurance and were there to get their pain pills.
And listen as far as social issues go I do not care if a woman wants to kill her unborn child or if two guys want to get married...that has no effect on me. BUT, the government should not be able to use my tax dollars to fund planned parenthood birth control for all who want it etc.
The proof is in the numbers 47% of the US populace didn't pay federal income taxes last year. The average family on welfare received over $60,000 in gov't assistance FOR NOT WORKING. That is $20,000 more than your average American family that is WORKING.
Bottom line is I have no problem with liberal ideaology of us all living in a world where everyone does their part works hard and shares the fruits of their labor. But THIS DOES NOT WORK.
As it stands I will not stand by as the money that I make working 60+ hours a week goes to government to be distributed to people who are too lazy to work. 1.003 Trillion dollars in state and federal money went to welfare last year. More than the ENTIRE defense budget. Conservatism and working hard are both choices. CONCIOUS choices that an individual makes. They make them because they realize that the "ideological vision" of liberalism is just that. Ideological. There is no factual basis showing that redistributive socialist societies work.
What this election should be about is choosing the person who will protect you as a hard working law abiding citizen. It should not be a class or racially motivated vote.
Is our system perfect? Absolutely not. But, it is the greatest system in the world. People literally die trying to get into this country because of the values and laws that are in place today.
America is the land of equal opportunity. Not the land of equal outcomes.
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ColumbiaTider said...
Listen...Liberalism in it purest form with zero corruption ideologically is a great idea....BUT, we do not live in a world without corruption and with 100% of the citizens of this nation that are hard working. If we were able to live in a place where everyone worked hard and reasonably used the same amount of effort then I would have no problem with everyone getting the same things.
Additionally, universal althcare is a great idea. I would love everyone to not have to worry about how they are going to pay for their medical care. I recently had my appendix taken out. I was in the hospital for 18 hours and didn't spend the night. My bill...$ 37,000 the reason??? Because the government created a federal law stating that hospitals can deny care to no one. Hospitals never receive 80% of what they bill out because the people are "indigant" I sat in the waiting room writhing in pain behind teenagers sitting on their I Phones that had no insurance and were there to get their pain pills.
And listen as far as social issues go I do not care if a woman wants to kill her unborn child or if two guys want to get married...that has no effect on me. BUT, the government should not be able to use my tax dollars to fund planned parenthood birth control for all who want it etc.
The proof is in the numbers 47% of the US populace didn't pay federal income taxes last year. The average family on welfare received over $60,000 in gov't assistance FOR NOT WORKING. That is $20,000 more than your average American family that is WORKING.
Bottom line is I have no problem with liberal ideaology of us all living in a world where everyone does their part works hard and shares the fruits of their labor. But THIS DOES NOT WORK.
As it stands I will not stand by as the money that I make working 60+ hours a week goes to government to be distributed to people who are too lazy to work. 1.003 Trillion dollars in state and federal money went to welfare last year. More than the ENTIRE defense budget. Conservatism and working hard are both choices. CONCIOUS choices that an individual makes. They make them because they realize that the "ideological vision" of liberalism is just that. Ideological. There is no factual basis showing that redistributive socialist societies work.
What this election should be about is choosing the person who will protect you as a hard working law abiding citizen. It should not be a class or racially motivated vote.
Is our system perfect? Absolutely not. But, it is the greatest system in the world. People literally die trying to get into this country because of the values and laws that are in place today.
America is the land of equal opportunity. Not the land of equal outcomes.
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The proof is in the numbers 47% of the US populace didn't pay federal income taxes last year. The average family on welfare received over $60,000 in gov't assistance FOR NOT WORKING. That is $20,000 more than your average American family that is WORKING.
Chart Book: TANF at 16 — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
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www.cbpp.org TANF Benefits Fell Further in 2011 and Are Worth Much Less Than in 1996 in Most States — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
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www.cbpp.org US Welfare Budget: US Federal Budget FY12 Estimated Spending Breakdown - Pie Chart
Breakdown of estimated spending by function for 2011 to 2016 and pie chart for 2012 from federal budget. Data from OMB Historical Tables.
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CMXI said...
Where did you get your numbers?
Welfare is governed by the federal TANF grant program, and then states are allowed to distribute from there. In 2011, the average family in a median state received $428/mo., for a total of $5,176/year. Hawaii, the state with the highest TANF disbursement in the country, only grants $763/mo., for a total of $9,156/year. If you add in food stamps (SNAP), the highest possible monthly allotment is $1,202/mo. (for a family of 8!), for a total of $14,424/year. Even at the highest possible rate of allotments, these two programs would only generate a maximum of $23,580 worth of assistance per year.
In addition, the state MOE requirement is about 2/3 of federal TANF grants, so if you add in another $6,100 as the maximum possible state MOE contribution, you reach a maximum total of $29,680 in government assistance (for a family of 8). That's even assuming that not a penny of those grants are used for administrative expenses. Your claim of the AVERAGE welfare family receiving $60,000 in govt. assistance per year is simply laughable.
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Amazinglyblue78 said...
I was under the impression it was re-elect the guy who thinks video tapes kill Americans, and our monetary system is the presidents personal piggy bank.
My favorite, the ultimate American job under our current think tank is sitting on their couch collecting the government aid created by the working 60 year old waiting on his social security.
I'm sure with your great intellect and constant brainstorming you will find a way to dis-credit the old sticks and stones and somehow names are killing our citizens.
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