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  • MrWoodson said...

    "Attrition" is the problem. No one cares how many new kids you take. It's what you have to do to fit them under the NCAA caps that bothers people and most of those things fall under the definition of "attrition". Look, I don't know UGA's situation so I am not really commenting on them. I was just commenting on the SEC rule that was put in place to prevent too much "attrition". I thought the rule was you could only sign 25 players a year (previously 28), but if you can get around that rule by just picking up 6-10 EEs on the side you might as well can the rule in the first place. It certainly doesn't do anything to reduce "attrition".

    gotta kick players off who steal from teammates. also many juniors will declare early this year IMO

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  • PTCcock195 said...

    Careful. They play by rules, everyone else cheats.

    This guy knows what's up

    jdawg804

  • jkt360 said...

    not in Georgia

    Georgia is absurdly deep this year and looks more like what a Florida traditionally produces talent wise. The top ten prospects in the state of Georgia could match up with any states top ten. Richt picked a great time to have a small class last year, when coaches poked at his status. To this year where they will be coming off back to back ten win seasons and Richt's security no longer a question.

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  • jkt360 said...

    gotta kick players off who steal from teammates. also many juniors will declare early this year IMO

    Or you could just do a better job of recruiting players who don't steal from teammates.

    MrWoodson

  • MrWoodson said...

    "Attrition" is the problem. No one cares how many new kids you take. It's what you have to do to fit them under the NCAA caps that bothers people and most of those things fall under the definition of "attrition". Look, I don't know UGA's situation so I am not really commenting on them. I was just commenting on the SEC rule that was put in place to prevent too much "attrition". I thought the rule was you could only sign 25 players a year (previously 28), but if you can get around that rule by just picking up 6-10 EEs on the side you might as well can the rule in the first place. It certainly doesn't do anything to reduce "attrition".

    you get 25 a year. EE's count to the previous year IFF you have room in previous class. We took 17 or 18 last year so we have room for 33 or so.This is for teams like us who will not sign over our 85 scholly limit but in one year may only need 17 to fill up and the next need over 30 to fill up.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Or you could just do a better job of recruiting players who don't steal from teammates.

    Not sure if you have followed college football in the past... ever.

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  • rolltide06 said...

    Georgia is absurdly deep this year and looks more like what a Florida traditionally produces talent wise. The top ten prospects in the state of Georgia could match up with any states top ten. Richt picked a great time to have a small class last year, when coaches poked at his status. To this year where they will be coming off back to back ten win seasons and Richt's security no longer a question.

    The coaches made it known that they would be taking a small class last year due to this years class.

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  • roger huerta said...

    oklahoma will take a very small class this year - around 15 or so, iirc

    I don't know about the numbers, but so far it doesn't appear(from a rankings standpoint) that they are going to pull a top-5 class. I believe 4 of their current 8-man class are 3*. On paper I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't a top-10 class, but they are still Oklahoma.

    stoptothink ●

  • jkt360 said...

    The coaches made it known that they would be taking a small class last year due to this years class.

    Because you missed on some targets last year, it's not necessarily a bad thing. But any coach would much rather have a great player in the current class than a great player in the next class.

    rolltide06 ●

  • rolltide06 said...

    Because you missed on some targets last year, it's not necessarily a bad thing. But any coach would much rather have a great player in the current class than a great player in the next class.

    we did not offer that many people last year. We missed on 2 on signing day that many believed including coaches were ours. Those were Avery Young and Cordarelle Patterson. Those we would take either year so the offers were smart, but they made it clear before these so called misses that that year would be a small class. We only had room for 21. If we would have hit on all prospects signing day we would have gotten 20.

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  • jkt360 said...

    you get 25 a year. EE's count to the previous year IFF you have room in previous class. We took 17 or 18 last year so we have room for 33 or so.This is for teams like us who will not sign over our 85 scholly limit but in one year may only need 17 to fill up and the next need over 30 to fill up.

    Ok, but you are talking about two different things. One is how many players you can have per class. That is an NCAA rule and the number is 25. The other is how many players you can sign each year. The NCAA rule on that is 28, though it is unclear to me if that applies to EEs or not (I thought it did, but I'm not sure now that we are discussing it). I thought the SEC put in place a rule recently that capped the number a team can sign in that conference at 25. Is that not true? What is the SEC rule that was adopted about a year ago?

    MrWoodson

  • MrWoodson said...

    Ok, but you are talking about two different things. One is how many players you can have per class. That is an NCAA rule and the number is 25. The other is how many players you can sign each year. The NCAA rule on that is 28, though it is unclear to me if that applies to EEs or not (I thought it did, but I'm not sure now that we are discussing it). I thought the SEC put in place a rule recently that capped the number a team can sign in that conference at 25. Is that not true? What is the SEC rule that was adopted about a year ago?

    It is a conference rule not NCAA, and I just explained it to you. You are only allowed to sign 25 in a class. EE can count towards the previous class. There is no limit on how many EE you can back count so long as you stay under 25 for that class.

    The reason this is a rule is in college football things can happen. You may only need 17 in the previous class, but in this class you may need 30+. BTW there is a difference between oversigning and taking over 25. We will not take more than what will give us 85 I assure you.

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  • jkt360 said...

    It is a conference rule not NCAA, and I just explained it to you. You are only allowed to sign 25 in a class. EE can count towards the previous class. There is no limit on how many EE you can back count so long as you stay under 25 for that class.

    The reason this is a rule is in college football things can happen. You may only need 17 in the previous class, but in this class you may need 30+. BTW there is a difference between oversigning and taking over 25. We will not take more than what will give us 85 I assure you.

    I know the NCAA rules reasonably well. The NCAA has two primary rules. One is no more than 85 scholarship players total. The other is no more than 25 scholarship players per class. Historically, the NCAA had no rule on the number of LOIs a school could sign. Several years ago, however, the NCAA adopted a LOI cap of 28. That is an NCAA rule in effect today. It might not apply to EEs (I need to double check) because they don't usually sign a LOI. They just enroll and sign their scholarship papers.

    Now, that takes us to the conference level. The B10 has had a rule for decades that limits LOIs. It says a team can sign three more players than it can fit under the NCAA rules (85 total, 25 per class) and each school has to report this number to the conference a week or so before NSD. In other words, if Michigan has 65 players on scholarship, the NCAA rule would limit Michigan to 20 players in the incoming class. Michigan reports this number to the B10 conference and is allowed to sign up to three more (20+3=23) and effectively has until fall camp to get down to the total of 85. The B10 has one more twist on the rule. Michigan has to explain to the B10, before NSD, how it plans to get down to 85 and that explanation cannot be "we intend to run off three players." Basically, they might have one or two 5th year players who are not going to return. Or maybe a player who is planning to transfer due to lack of playing time. Or whatever it is, Michigan needs to explain very specifically how it will get back down to the NCAA allowed level by the fall or it cannot sign the extra players.

    Several years ago, the SEC adopted a cap of 28 on LOIs. That number was reduced to 25 about a year ago. So that is what I am asking, how does the SEC cap work? Are you saying it's not a hard cap, but rather 25 plus any EEs? Or if that is not how it works, how does it work?

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MrWoodson on 5/31/2012 at 2:34 PM

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  • jkt360 said...

    we did not offer that many people last year.

    117 is not that many?

    roger huerta

  • MrWoodson said...

    I know the NCAA rules reasonably well. The NCAA has two primary rules. One is no more than 85 scholarship players total. The other is no more than 25 scholarship players per class. Historically, the NCAA had no rule on the number of LOIs a school could sign. Several years ago, however, the NCAA adopted a LOI cap of 28. That is an NCAA rule in effect today. It might not apply to EEs (I need to double check) because they don't usually sign a LOI. They just enroll and sign their scholarship papers.

    Now, that takes us to the conference level. The B10 has had a rule for decades that limits LOIs. It says a team can sign three more players than it can fit under the NCAA rules (85 total, 25 per class) and each school has to report this number to the conference a week or so before NSD. In other words, if Michigan has 65 players on scholarship, the NCAA rule would limit Michigan to 20 players in the incoming class. Michigan reports this number to the B10 conference and is allowed to sign up to three more (20+3=23) and effectively has until fall camp to get down to the total of 85. The B10 has one more twist on the rule. Michigan has to explain to the B10, before NSD, how it plans to get down to 85 and that explanation cannot be "we intend to run off three players." Basically, they might have one or two 5th year players who are not going to return. Or maybe a player who is planning to transfer due to lack of playing time. Or whatever it is, Michigan needs to explain the situation to the B10 satisfactorily or it cannot sign the extra three players.

    Several years ago, the SEC adopted a cap of 28 on LOIs. That number was reduced to 25 about a year ago. So that is what I am asking, how does the SEC cap work? Are you saying it's not a hard cap, but rather 25 plus any EEs? Or if that is not how it works, how does it work?

    I just explained to you sec rules. Why are you still talking about this? I have yet to say anything other than we are taking 25 in a class. We also will not have over 25 LOI's in a class. UGA does not take any extra as you guys take 3 extra yearly and then try to get down to 85. We sign what makes 85 then we are done. When attrition comes around a walk on gets a scholly. This is the reason why it is humorous that others claim our attrition is evil, like we preferred to give walkons schollys over signed players.

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  • jkt360 said...

    I just explained to you sec rules. Why are you still talking about this? I have yet to say anything other than we are taking 25 in a class. We also will not have over 25 LOI's in a class. UGA does not take any extra as you guys take 3 extra yearly and then try to get down to 85. We sign what makes 85 then we are done. When attrition comes around a walk on gets a scholly. This is the reason why it is humorous that others claim our attrition is evil, like we preferred to give walkons schollys over signed players.

    I don't know why you are getting so defensive. I just asked how the SEC rule works because it is new and I don't know. It sounds like it is 25 plus EEs (either because they are specifically excluded or they just don't sign LOIs). But whatever.

    MrWoodson

  • MrWoodson said...

    It sounds like it is 25 plus EEs (either because they are specifically excluded or they just don't sign LOIs).

    early entries can count towards last year's class. in the sec and every other conference.

    they don't sign an loi because they are already enrolled by signing day.

    roger huerta

  • roger huerta said...

    117 is not that many?

    Do a little research on committable offers and come back and we'll talk. Research Keyante Green and how he is on our offer list but got pissed when he tried to commit and is now with UCLA. 117 is not that many though. I'm sure we have hit that already this year.

    I'm not sure what you guys point is anyway. Our coaches said last year that they were going to be taking a smaller class last year before recruiting got really started. This is not some revelation that came after signing day. We knew it was coming since last summer.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    I don't know why you are getting so defensive. I just asked how the SEC rule works because it is new and I don't know. It sounds like it is 25 plus EEs (either because they are specifically excluded or they just don't sign LOIs). But whatever.

    not defensive just helpless due to feeling like I have explained the SEC rules in my first post, yet you keep reciting NCAA rules (as if SEC would have rules that didn't comply with NCAA?), and the scenario that I gave you fits both

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  • jkt360 said...

    Do a little research on committable offers and come back and we'll talk.

    lol at "committable offer"

    that's the $ec!$ec!$ec! for ya!! if you tell a kid he has an offer, he has an offer, otherwise you are lying to him. which is it?

    117 offers, committable or not, is the most offers uga has put out in a while (i stopped looking at 09).

    roger huerta

  • jkt360 said...

    I'm sure we have hit that already this year.

    you're at 103 right now. not sure how many of those are "committable" as they don't come w/ an asterisk or anything.

    roger huerta

  • MrWoodson said...

    Or you could just do a better job of recruiting players who don't steal from teammates.

    "Everyone does -- kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me. I just feel that people need to give him a chance."

    buttesnake

  • roger huerta said...

    early entries can count towards last year's class. in the sec and every other conference.

    they don't sign an loi because they are already enrolled by signing day.

    Ok, so that's the answer. EEs don't count against the SEC rule of 25 LOIs. That is different than the B10 rule. The B10 counts everyone, so in my previous example, if Michigan had 65 players on scholarship returning and had 3 EEs, that would give them room for 17 in the current class (65+3+17=85). The B10 rule would allow Michigan to sign up to three more LOIs (assuming Michigan could provide a satisfactory explanation) which would allow Michigan to sign up to 20 LOIs (17+3=20).

    MrWoodson

  • MrWoodson said...

    Ok, so that's the answer. EEs don't count against the SEC rule of 25 LOIs. That is different than the B10 rule. The B10 counts everyone, so in my previous example, if Michigan had 65 players on scholarship returning and had 3 EEs, that would give them room for 17 in the current class (65+3+17=85). The B10 rule would allow Michigan to sign up to three more LOIs (assuming Michigan could provide a satisfactory explanation) which would allow Michigan to sign up to 20 LOIs (17+3=20).

    i'm not trying to be a dlck here, but you are being incredibly dense about this.

    65 current + 3 early entry + 17 loi = 85 is the way it would happen in every single conference anywhere. a b1g school could not sign 3 more loi, because that would make 88 on scholarship.

    roger huerta

  • roger huerta said...

    i'm not trying to be a dlck here, but you are being incredibly dense about this.

    65 current + 3 early entry + 17 loi = 85 is the way it would happen in every single conference anywhere. a b1g school could not sign 3 more loi, because that would make 88 on scholarship.

    Wrong. A B10 school could sign three more. The NCAA rule of 85 does not apply until enrollment in the fall. And that is why you are confused. You are confusing three different things ... the NCAA rule on scholarships, the NCAA rule on LOI's and the B10 rule on LOIs. They are all different and you cannot violate any of them, but the NCAA rule of 85 would not affect Michigan's ability to sign three additional players on NSD so long as it was down to 85 by enrollment in the fall. You clearly need a refresher on the NCAA rules.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 5/31/2012 at 3:06 PM

    MrWoodson

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