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  • shortcbaseballa said...

    You know better than to bring up facts

    Unlike you, idiot. This is different than civilian health care anyways.

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  • TroyTide said...

    The ultimate purpose of sex is to reproduce, so naturally we are wired to be attracted to the opposite sex that we can reproduce with. So having sex with someone that we are incapable of reproducing with would seem unnatural. Now before you get all up in arms I am not homo-bashing here, by all means let people sleep with who they want. But that doesn't mean it's natural ,at least I don't see it that way. You asked my opinion, now get to your point.

    He thinks he is very clever with all these follow up questions he is asking you.

    I doubt you see him back after that response though as there really is no denying what you said.

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  • Ego Trip said...

    I always hear people complaining about Obama's new health care iniciatives, but I have never heard anyone complain about the old system. Were you to young to work or to lazy to work in the 90's - 2002? For me, around 2002, health care cost for me and my child started rising. It cost me around $40.00 every 2 weeks prior to 2002. Around 2006, it cost me around $275.00 every 2 weeks. I am totally lost when people are complaining that Obama's health care reform is a sham. What in the fu(king world do you call the current plan? "Obamacare" will not be activated until 2014. I cannot wait because paying $550.00 a month for carefirst bluecross blueshield at a large firm has to stop. That is a net increase of $470.00 dollars a month that I incurred while Bush was in office, and I am not going to state how much car fuel increased during that same time frame. And, USMCAG is complaining about a co-pay.

    Why do you think your cost is going down? I'm involved in obtaining insurance for my company's employees, and we are looking at radical increases in premiums. Under Obamacare, kids can stay on their parents policy until age 26. That's wonderful, but that results in more claims, which mean higher premiums. Soon, those with pre-existing condition cannot be denied, nor charged a higher premium. That's wonderful, but results in more claims, which means higher premiums. Insurance agents and executives I talk to confirm that provisions under Obamacare will drive premiums through the roof.

    Obamacare will cover more people, with better care, and lower cost? How is that possible?

    If your insurance was so high, why didn't you just drop it and not have any insurance? You needed to do something, and that would have been doing something? Doesn't make sense does it? No more than it does to say Obamacare is the answer because we needed to do something.

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  • VTSmitty said...

    Why do you think your cost is going down? I'm involved in obtaining insurance for my company's employees, and we are looking at radical increases in premiums. Under Obamacare, kids can stay on their parents policy until age 26. That's wonderful, but that results in more claims, which mean higher premiums. Soon, those with pre-existing condition cannot be denied, nor charged a higher premium. That's wonderful, but results in more claims, which means higher premiums. Insurance agents and executives I talk to confirm that provisions under Obamacare will drive premiums through the roof.

    Obamacare will cover more people, with better care, and lower cost? How is that possible?

    If your insurance was so high, why didn't you just drop it and not have any insurance? You needed to do something, and that would have been doing something? Doesn't make sense does it? No more than it does to say Obamacare is the answer because we needed to do something.

    You are talking with pure speculation and cons to his reform. You have conviniently left out the part about requiring everyone to have coverage. When everyone pays their part, premiums go down. Currently, only the people that are paying premiums cover the cost of emergency room visits by the uninsured, hence, higher premiums. Obviously, we are never going to agree, but my knowledge of what drives premium rates tells me that my rates will be going down in 5 to 6 years. The sad part is that you are anti and will receive the same break. Also, you claim radical increases, and I say, you are obviously not paying the same radical increase of $470.00 a month that I incurred. You are just like all of the rest. Sit back and have nothing to offer, but when someone else offers an idea, you fall out of your chair with negatives because it was not your idea. A microcosm of Obamacare is striving in Massachusetts right now. I am not politicking for Obama; he is a lame duck president. I am just tired of the whining. He won the reelectoin because more people believe his agenda will work than people that share your view. Get on board and don't be a fool. The ideology of hating Obama is becoming outdated.

    Ego Trip

  • Ego Trip said...

    You are talking with pure speculation and cons to his reform. You have conviniently left out the part about requiring everyone to have coverage. When everyone pays their part, premiums go down. Currently, only the people that are paying premiums cover the cost of emergency room visits by the uninsured, hence, higher premiums. Obviously, we are never going to agree, but my knowledge of what drives premium rates tells me that my rates will be going down in 5 to 6 years. The sad part is that you are anti and will receive the same break. Also, you claim radical increases, and I say, you are obviously not paying the same radical increase of $470.00 a month that I incurred. You are just like all of the rest. Sit back and have nothing to offer, but when someone else offers an idea, you fall out of your chair with negatives because it was not your idea. A microcosm of Obamacare is striving in Massachusetts right now. I am not politicking for Obama; he is a lame duck president. I am just tired of the whining. He won the reelectoin because more people believe his agenda will work than people that share your view. Get on board and don't be a fool. The ideology of hating Obama is becoming outdated.

    You conveniently forgot to read the original post.

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  • I haven't read this whole thread so forgive me if I'm way off base right now (no pun intended) but I have a few questions. Why would it matter whatsoever where the person lives in relation to the base where they'll receive treatment? If the goal is to push and shove a few things like this around to free up some money while working together and being fair to those who served this country would it not make more sense to do the following instead?

    1. Require a low co-pay by everyone across the board. For example, ask those working "within" the 40 mile radius to pay $10 and those "outside" the 40 to pay $5.

    2. If you're going to charge one then charge both but why ask more from the poor guy who lives outside the 40 mile radius and already has to travel further than anyone to get the same treatment?

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  • Ego Trip said...

    I always hear people complaining about Obama's new health care iniciatives, but I have never heard anyone complain about the old system. Were you to young to work or to lazy to work in the 90's - 2002? For me, around 2002, health care cost for me and my child started rising. It cost me around $40.00 every 2 weeks prior to 2002. Around 2006, it cost me around $275.00 every 2 weeks. I am totally lost when people are complaining that Obama's health care reform is a sham. What in the fu(king world do you call the current plan? "Obamacare" will not be activated until 2014. I cannot wait because paying $550.00 a month for carefirst bluecross blueshield at a large firm has to stop. That is a net increase of $470.00 dollars a month that I incurred while Bush was in office, and I am not going to state how much car fuel increased during that same time frame. And, USMCAG is complaining about a co-pay.

    Besides your gramatical errors, maybe you should revist your gas claim too: "and I am not going to state how much car fuel increased during that same time frame."

    It raised about 31 cents in 8 years. Bush entered office Jan 2001 and gas was at $1.47. Bush left office in Dec 2008 and it was at $1.78. Obama came in at $1.78 and is now around $4.

    This post was edited by Nomad Chad on 11/14/2012 at 10:53 AM

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  • TroyTide said...

    The ultimate purpose of sex is to reproduce, so naturally we are wired to be attracted to the opposite sex that we can reproduce with. So having sex with someone that we are incapable of reproducing with would seem unnatural. Now before you get all up in arms I am not homo-bashing here, by all means let people sleep with who they want. But that doesn't mean it's natural ,at least I don't see it that way. You asked my opinion, now get to your point.

    While I'll agree that the ultimate evolutionary purpose of sex is to reproduce, I take issue with your statement that we're "naturally wired" to be attracted to the opposite sex. I think we're arguing an issue of semantics here, but I simply believe that something is "natural" in an evolutionary sense if it's hard-wired into us. Homosexuality is hard-wired into people, and is not some chosen deviation from evolutionary norms.

    However, I'm very glad you don't have a strictly religious basis for your views.

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  • Nomad Chad said...

    Besides your gramatical errors, maybe you should revist your gas claim too: "and I am not going to state how much car fuel increased during that same time frame."

    It raised about 31 cents in 8 years. Bush entered office Jan 2001 and gas was at $1.47. Bush left office in Dec 2008 and it was at $1.78. Obama came in at $1.78 and is now around $4.

    Gas prices peaked well over $4 under Bush, and the only reason they were at $1.78 when he left office was due to the inevitable crash in gas prices due to the recession.

    As a result of constant fluctuation, gas prices are evaluated on a trending scale, not by picking two dates out of the ether and trying to compare those.

    Historical Gas Price Charts - GasBuddy.com

    http://www.GasBuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?city1=USA Average&city2=&city3=&crude=n&tme=96&units=us

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  • Nomad Chad said...

    Besides your gramatical errors, maybe you should revist your gas claim too: "and I am not going to state how much car fuel increased during that same time frame."

    It raised about 31 cents in 8 years. Bush entered office Jan 2001 and gas was at $1.47. Bush left office in Dec 2008 and it was at $1.78. Obama came in at $1.78 and is now around $4.

    You spark something about grammar, and you fill your post with grammatical errors. Also you spelled grammatical wrong. Obviously, you have no idea of good grammar. Don't grade my paper because yours is an "F". Spell check on revisit. You must be out of your mind if you think gas was a $1.78 when Bush left office, wow! No wonder you hate Obama. You do not know good grammar when you see it, and you have no idea of what happened in the USA from 2001 to 2008.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Ego Trip on 11/14/2012 at 11:09 AM

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  • Ego Trip said...

    You are talking with pure speculation and cons to his reform. You have conviniently left out the part about requiring everyone to have coverage. When everyone pays their part, premiums go down. Currently, only the people that are paying premiums cover the cost of emergency room visits by the uninsured, hence, higher premiums. Obviously, we are never going to agree, but my knowledge of what drives premium rates tells me that my rates will be going down in 5 to 6 years. The sad part is that you are anti and will receive the same break. Also, you claim radical increases, and I say, you are obviously not paying the same radical increase of $470.00 a month that I incurred. You are just like all of the rest. Sit back and have nothing to offer, but when someone else offers an idea, you fall out of your chair with negatives because it was not your idea. A microcosm of Obamacare is striving in Massachusetts right now. I am not politicking for Obama; he is a lame duck president. I am just tired of the whining. He won the reelectoin because more people believe his agenda will work than people that share your view. Get on board and don't be a fool. The ideology of hating Obama is becoming outdated.

    I'm not talking about speculation, I'm talking about personal conversations with people in the insurance industry, including executives. My insruance is about $500 a month, with a $6,000 deductible, meaning i will have paid $12,000 over the last two years without them paying out any benefits. Yes, I realize the system needs fixed. You are hoping for decreases in 5 to 6 years? Time is truly Obama's friend. If you and others are willing to drink the koolaid with no expectations for 5 or 6 years, then he again has no accountability and no expectations for success.

    People now will have to get insurance? How? Those that currently mooch off the government will continue to do so. You honestly think Obama care is going to now cause these people to have money and behave responsibly.

    I'm telling you the real life impact of obamacare on health care costs today, and your response is you think costs will go down in 5-6 years. Obamacare is a complete train wreck. Or, you can disregard the reality of it and the impact it is having today and say it is a good plan, because Obama says so.

    VTSmitty ●

  • VTSmitty said...

    I'm not talking about speculation, I'm talking about personal conversations with people in the insurance industry, including executives. My insruance is about $500 a month, with a $6,000 deductible, meaning i will have paid $12,000 over the last two years without them paying out any benefits. Yes, I realize the system needs fixed. You are hoping for decreases in 5 to 6 years? Time is truly Obama's friend. If you and others are willing to drink the koolaid with no expectations for 5 or 6 years, then he again has no accountability and no expectations for success.

    People now will have to get insurance? How? Those that currently mooch off the government will continue to do so. You honestly think Obama care is going to now cause these people to have money and behave responsibly.

    I'm telling you the real life impact of obamacare on health care costs today, and your response is you think costs will go down in 5-6 years. Obamacare is a complete train wreck. Or, you can disregard the reality of it and the impact it is having today and say it is a good plan, because Obama says so.

    You're basing your assertions on your own personal experience and a couple conversations? Well, gee, I guess Obamacare is terrible after all! I mean, when presented with that overwhelming amount of unbiased and thoroughly-researched evidence, how can I possibly contest your meticulously-researched conclusions?

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  • VTSmitty said...

    I'm not talking about speculation, I'm talking about personal conversations with people in the insurance industry, including executives. My insruance is about $500 a month, with a $6,000 deductible, meaning i will have paid $12,000 over the last two years without them paying out any benefits. Yes, I realize the system needs fixed. You are hoping for decreases in 5 to 6 years? Time is truly Obama's friend. If you and others are willing to drink the koolaid with no expectations for 5 or 6 years, then he again has no accountability and no expectations for success.

    People now will have to get insurance? How? Those that currently mooch off the government will continue to do so. You honestly think Obama care is going to now cause these people to have money and behave responsibly.

    I'm telling you the real life impact of obamacare on health care costs today, and your response is you think costs will go down in 5-6 years. Obamacare is a complete train wreck. Or, you can disregard the reality of it and the impact it is having today and say it is a good plan, because Obama says so.

    There is tons of inefficiencies in the healthcare system that ACA will help clean up. One, requiring people to buy insurance or enroll in a government funded program (Medicare and Medicaid). This will reduce the number of emergency visits for routine care. Hospitals cannot turn someone away for not having insurance, which the hospital has to pay. It will also improve the quality of care received as they will be able to see more specialized physicians or physicians who are more familiar with their medical background having seen the patient over time. Second, Medicare requires payment based on the amount of service provided, but not the quality of the service provided. This means that the incentive for physicians is to provide as much help to the patient with Medicare. So the patient will continue to receive help, even though the care could have been provided in less visits. Including quality of care with the amount of care will help reduce the incentive to provide unnecessary care to patients. Three, by having the government overseeing health care, they can help improve transparency of prices and premiums, which can help consumers understand the costs associated and drive prices down. Right now, we're just paying for what physicians ask us and what insurance companies will not cover. They are the experts so we defer to them to handle the payments. But if consumers understand the costs and their plans, they can make more informed decisions to what insurance plans they need and what their employers will provide. When the prices drop, participation among insurers will increase as they will be able to enter the market much easier.

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    Health care costs have been rising for several years. Stemming this growth has become a major policy priority, as the government, employers, and consumers increasingly struggle to keep up with health care costs.

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  • CMXI said...

    You're basing your assertions on your own personal experience and a couple conversations? Well, gee, I guess Obamacare is terrible after all! I mean, when presented with that overwhelming amount of unbiased and thoroughly-researched evidence, how can I possibly contest your meticulously-researched conclusions?

    You're right. Actually talking with the insurance companies about how Obamacare is currently impacting costs and why that is going to significantly increase as it is completely phased in, is just a crazy approach to seeing the impact it is going to have.

    It is a trainwreck. You can link a thousand articles to the contrary if you wish, but it won't change what it is. As evidenced in this thread, the strongest argument for Obama care is wait 5 or 6 years and it should start working and lowering costs.

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  • VTSmitty said...

    You're right. Actually talking with the insurance companies about how Obamacare is currently impacting costs and why that is going to significantly increase as it is completely phased in, is just a crazy approach to seeing the impact it is going to have.

    It is a trainwreck. You can link a thousand articles to the contrary if you wish, but it won't change what it is. As evidenced in this thread, the strongest argument for Obama care is wait 5 or 6 years and it should start working and lowering costs.

    So, you're going to stand pat with your personal anecdotes and offer no other verifiable evidence in the face of a flurry of documentation suggesting that you're wrong?

    A bold strategy, indeed.

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  • CMXI said...

    So, you're going to stand pat with your personal anecdotes and offer no other verifiable evidence in the face of a flurry of documentation suggesting that you're wrong?

    A bold strategy, indeed.

    Why waste the time? You know there is nothing anyone here can say that will change your view. You don't know what is in the bill or what the ramifications from it will be, but if Obama says it's good, it must be good.

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  • VTSmitty said...

    You're right. Actually talking with the insurance companies about how Obamacare is currently impacting costs and why that is going to significantly increase as it is completely phased in, is just a crazy approach to seeing the impact it is going to have.

    It is a trainwreck. You can link a thousand articles to the contrary if you wish, but it won't change what it is. As evidenced in this thread, the strongest argument for Obama care is wait 5 or 6 years and it should start working and lowering costs.

    The failure to your stance is that you talked with insurance companies. You expect them to support something that is going to stop their winfall. Wakeup and enjoy life or die sleeping on the facts.

    Ego Trip

  • VTSmitty said...

    I'm not talking about speculation, I'm talking about personal conversations with people in the insurance industry, including executives. My insruance is about $500 a month, with a $6,000 deductible, meaning i will have paid $12,000 over the last two years without them paying out any benefits. Yes, I realize the system needs fixed. You are hoping for decreases in 5 to 6 years? Time is truly Obama's friend. If you and others are willing to drink the koolaid with no expectations for 5 or 6 years, then he again has no accountability and no expectations for success.

    People now will have to get insurance? How? Those that currently mooch off the government will continue to do so. You honestly think Obama care is going to now cause these people to have money and behave responsibly.

    I'm telling you the real life impact of obamacare on health care costs today, and your response is you think costs will go down in 5-6 years. Obamacare is a complete train wreck. Or, you can disregard the reality of it and the impact it is having today and say it is a good plan, because Obama says so.

    The fact that you are paying a deductible of that amount means that you should be first in line for Obamacare. The insurance that you are paying for is worse than the one I have. Under Obamacare, you will be able to get insurance as part of a larger group at a reduced rate, instant savings. Wakeup!

    Ego Trip

  • Red Goodman said...

    I haven't read this whole thread so forgive me if I'm way off base right now (no pun intended)

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  • Nomad Chad said...

    It raised about 31 cents in 8 years. Bush entered office Jan 2001 and gas was at $1.47. Bush left office in Dec 2008 and it was at $1.78. Obama came in at $1.78 and is now around $4.

    You can't possibly say that with a straight face unless you have an incredibly short memory.

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  • Ego Trip said...

    Under Obamacare, you will be able to get insurance as part of a larger group at a reduced rate, instant savings. Wakeup!

    No, under Obamacare, my company is going to have to subsidize the employee's portion of the increase for hourly workers, salaried are on their own. Even when the premium increases have been established and we are trying to find a way to help our employees out with the increases, you continue to tell me that my costs will go down.

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  • VTSmitty said...

    No, under Obamacare, my company is going to have to subsidize the employee's portion of the increase for hourly workers, salaried are on their own. Even when the premium increases have been established and we are trying to find a way to help our employees out with the increases, you continue to tell me that my costs will go down.

    No, under Obamacare, employees will be able to opt out of the company's insurance and aquire insurance that will be issued by the government which will be a larger pool of people. This will put pressure on insurance firms like Bluecross/Blueshield to lower premiums, price wars. The Republicans do not like this because it takes power away from the private sector. The Republicans have been fighting for the insurers all along, the private sector. They do not care about the people being insured. Obama care is fighting for the insured, fighting to lower our premiums. However, if you voted for your state to pass on the large pool government insurance, you will be stuck with what the private sector offers or with what ever your state comes up with. Republicans preyed on people that hated Obama in a fight for the private sector's insurance companies. The Republicans won this battle in a lot of states. Nonetheless, those states will most likely create something, but it will not be as strong as Obamacare. In these situations, Obama is still fighting to get your cost lowered, like him or not.

    Ego Trip

  • Ego Trip said...

    No, under Obamacare, employees will be able to opt out of the company's insurance and aquire insurance that will be issued by the government which will be a larger pool of people. This will put pressure on insurance firms like Bluecross/Blueshield to lower premiums, price wars. The Republicans do not like this because it takes power away from the private sector. The Republicans have been fighting for the insurers all along, the private sector. They do not care about the people being insured. Obama care is fighting for the insured, fighting to lower our premiums. However, if you voted for your state to pass on the large pool government insurance, you will be stuck with what the private sector offers or with what ever your state comes up with. Republicans preyed on people that hated Obama in a fight for the private sector's insurance companies. The Republicans won this battle in a lot of states. Nonetheless, those states will most likely create something, but it will not be as strong as Obamacare. In these situations, Obama is still fighting to get your cost lowered, like him or not.

    Seriously?

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  • It starts in 2014, and it will be called Affordable Insurance Exchanges (AIE).

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Ego Trip on 11/14/2012 at 2:44 PM

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  • VTSmitty said...

    Seriously?

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    This post was edited by Ego Trip on 11/14/2012 at 2:50 PM

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