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The .700 Club (The 8 blue bloods vs each other all-time)

  • Only 8 schools in college football history have won more than .700 percent (70%) of all of their
    games while playing at the major (D1 AQ type) level for at least the last 50 years; they are
    Michigan, Ohio State, Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Alabama, Notre Dame, and USC.

    These 8 schools are the blue bloods of college football and since we have a true blue blood match-up
    in BCS MNCG (Bama vs ND) I figured it was a relevant time to post this info. This obviously means nothing
    in regards to who will win between Bama and ND this year, but I think it's interesting to see how the elite 8
    historically have done against each other. I did two time frames, the 1st is from 1963-2012 (the last 50 years),
    and the 2nd is all-time.

    1963-2012 (The Last 50 Years) Elite 8 vs Each Other
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    USC.......53-32-5 (.616) 90g.....(21-15-1 road) 37 road games
    Texas....41-32-3 (.559) 76g......(4-3-0 road) 7 road games
    ND.........49-47-4 (.510) 100g...(18-26-2 road) 46 road games
    OU.........52-55-5 (.486) 112g...(12-16-1 road) 29 road games
    Ohio St..34-39-2 (.466) 75g.....(12-18-1 road) 31 road games
    Mich.......42-51-3 (.453) 96g.....(15-24-2 road) 41 road games
    Bama.....13-16-1 (.450) 30g......(2-4-0 road) 6 road games
    Neb........30-42-1 (.417) 73g......(9-19-1 road) 29 road games
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    -- -- -- --

    ALL-TIME (Elite 8 vs Each Other)
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    Texas..........75-58-6 (.561) 139g
    ND.............. 91-73-7 (.552) 171g
    Michigan......80-74-6 (.518) 160g
    USC.............69-65-8 (.514) 142g
    Ohio State...62-69-5 (.474) 136g
    Oklahoma....92-107-10(.464) 209g
    Alabama......16-20-2 (.447) 38g
    Nebraska.....56-75-6 (.430) 137g
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    So this will be Alabama's 39th game against one of the blue bloods and Notre Dame's
    172nd. Only Oklahoma has played more games vs other blue bloods than ND.

    *No school can claim total domination amongst each other as each
    school has a losing record against at least 2 of the other schools.
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    Texas has a losing record vs ND and SC.
    USC has a losing record vs Bama and ND.
    ND has a losing record vs Michigan, OSU, and Nebraska.
    Michigan has a losing record vs OU, SC, and Texas.
    Ohio St has a losing record Michigan, Bama, SC, and Texas.
    Oklahoma has a losing record vs ND, SC, and Texas.
    Alabama has a losing record vs ND, OU, and Texas.
    Nebraska has a losing record vs everybody except ND.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • Bama with 6 road games against the Blue Bloods?

    This post was edited by devidee on 1/2/2013 at 7:11 AM

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  • I guess this is what you do when you lose to GT in the Sun Bowl and your team has no future

    MarylandDawg

  • devidee said...

    Bama with 6 road games against the Blue Bloods?

    Bama is the only blue blood that doesn't have a rival/team from the same conference that they play every year thats also a blue blood. Its not our fault that the sec doesn't have another blue blood.

    Id be interested to see if there are additional teams on the beibk of joining this club. Who are they and what do they need to do to enter it ex go 37-2 over next 3 years etc

    del taki

  • MarylandDawg said...

    I guess this is what you do when you lose to GT in the Sun Bowl and your team has no future

    Hey, nice of a non-blue blood to stop by and admire the schools above him.
    Keep believing and someday maybe UGA can move up to the elite level of these 8 schools.
    Good luck Daaawg

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • Bama doesn't have any of the others in conference or as a rival, so that lends to the smaller sampling of games.

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  • Yes that's true, USC-21, ND-18, and Michigan-15, have all won more road games vs the other blue bloods over the last 50 years than Alabama has won total games-13, over the last 50 years.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Yes that's true, USC-21, ND-18, and Michigan-15, have all won more road games vs the other blue bloods over the last 50 years than Alabama has won total games-13, over the last 50 years.

    Let's compare nattys during the last 50 years.

    Alabama - 7

    I'll allow the OP to fill in the rest. I believe Michigan & OSU combine for 3 since 1963.

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    Theta

  • Theta said...

    Let's compare nattys during the last 50 years.

    Alabama - 7

    I'll allow the OP to fill in the rest. I believe Michigan & OSU combine for 3 since 1963.

    You pretty much ended this thread. congrats

    bamabum5

  • 7 of the 8 teams form 5 pairs of old rivalries (OU, ND, and UM have two each) . That helps those numbers a whole lot. It makes sense that Alabama is the outlier in the "games against each other". Look at College Football Data Warehouse. I know not everyone agrees on it, but use their all time rankings as a general measuring stick. They have the same 8 top teams. Alabama has a rivalry with none. However, we have played for decades the following teams in the all time rankings (and have winning records against all, most by a large margin) LSU 9th, Tennessee 10th, Georgia 11th, Florida 12th, and auburn 14th. Even if we disagree on their ranking methodology, that's 5 consensus top 15-20 programs all time. We own the record against all. I definitely think that should come into play, because in the case of all other teams on the blue blood list, none have more than two old rivalries with another top 15-20 team (most just have one).

    Taking it a step further, one could even make the case that the reason none of those 5 crack the top 8 is because they had to play Alabama (and the other top 15 level teams in the conference) every year. No other conference has more than two teams in the top 15-20.

    This post has been edited 6 times, most recently by FortWorthTide on 1/2/2013 at 3:23 PM

    FortWorthTide

  • My post may be tough to read (on my iPhone), but hopefully it's readable in general. I'd like to see what NCCAassassin and others have to say to that info.

    FortWorthTide

  • FortWorthTide said...

    7 of the 8 teams form 4 pairs of old rivalries (OU has two) . That helps those numbers a whole lot. It makes sense that Alabama is the outlier in the "games against each other". Look at College Football Data Warehouse. I know not everyone agrees on it, but use their all time rankings as a general measuring stick. They have the same 8 top teams. Alabama has a rivalry with none. However, we have played for decades the following teams in the all time rankings (and have winning records against all, most by a large margin) LSU 9th, Tennessee 10th, Georgia 11th, Florida 12th, and auburn 14th. Even if we disagree on their ranking methodology, that's 5 consensus top 15-20 programs all time. We own the record against all. I definitely think that should come into play, because in the case of all other teams on the blue blood list, none have more than one old rivalry with another top 15-20 team (except OU's two).

    Taking it a step further, one could even make the case that the reason none of those 5 crack the top 8 is because they had to play Alabama (and the other top 15 level teams in the conference) every year. No other conference has more than two teams in the top 15-20.

    Is UM/ND not considered a rivalry? If not then ok, but UM isn't that far behind SC for me. Saw someone mention no conference affiliation as a reason Bama has not played blue bloods, BS.

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  • star69 said...

    Is UM/ND not considered a rivalry? If not then ok, but UM isn't that far behind SC for me. Saw someone mention no conference affiliation as a reason Bama has not played blue bloods, BS.

    Sorry, missed that one. So OU, ND, and UM each have two. That still doesn't really change my argument. The other 5 of the SEC's "big 6" constitute elite company, and we have winning records over all, across a huge number of games played. Add that to winning records over 3 blue bloods and a tie with another all time and I'd say that's a strong résumé.

    This post has been edited 4 times, most recently by FortWorthTide on 1/2/2013 at 3:28 PM

    FortWorthTide

  • Theta said...

    Let's compare nattys during the last 50 years.

    Alabama - 7

    I'll allow the OP to fill in the rest. I believe Michigan & OSU combine for 3 since 1963.

    I know USC has 7 MNC over the last 51 years. I would have to look up the others.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    I know USC has 7 MNC over the last 51 years. I would have to look up the others.

    Assassin, you're back. Care to address my points?

    FortWorthTide

  • Theta said...

    Let's compare nattys during the last 50 years.

    Alabama - 7

    I'll allow the OP to fill in the rest. I believe Michigan & OSU combine for 3 since 1963.

    well no wonder, weak schedule imo. The other blue bloods were beating each other up while Bama slid by. stir

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  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    I know USC has 7 MNC over the last 51 years. I would have to look up the others.

    Actually won 6 and that's with giving SC the '03 Natty, even though LSU won the crystal.

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  • FortWorthTide said...

    My post may be tough to read (on my iPhone), but hopefully it's readable in general. I'd like to see what NCCAassassin and others have to say to that info.

    I understand what you are saying, but this was just about the teams that are over .700 all-time. Also, if you take away SC's games vs ND all-time, SC still has played around nearly twice as many games against the blue bloods as Alabama.

    When I get a chance I'll take a look at some of the numbers for the teams at the next level that you are talking about.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • so I'll take that as a win for us

    woot

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  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    Actually won 6 and that's with giving SC the '03 Natty, even though LSU won the crystal.

    USC has 7 if you go back to 1962 (51 yrs) but yes 6 since 1963.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • FortWorthTide said...

    7 of the 8 teams form 5 pairs of old rivalries (OU, ND, and UM have two each) . That helps those numbers a whole lot. It makes sense that Alabama is the outlier in the "games against each other". Look at College Football Data Warehouse. I know not everyone agrees on it, but use their all time rankings as a general measuring stick. They have the same 8 top teams. Alabama has a rivalry with none. However, we have played for decades the following teams in the all time rankings (and have winning records against all, most by a large margin) LSU 9th, Tennessee 10th, Georgia 11th, Florida 12th, and auburn 14th. Even if we disagree on their ranking methodology, that's 5 consensus top 15-20 programs all time. We own the record against all. I definitely think that should come into play, because in the case of all other teams on the blue blood list, none have more than two old rivalries with another top 15-20 team (most just have one).

    Taking it a step further, one could even make the case that the reason none of those 5 crack the top 8 is because they had to play Alabama (and the other top 15 level teams in the conference) every year. No other conference has more than two teams in the top 15-20.

    agreed. good points

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  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    I understand what you are saying, but this was just about the teams that are over .700 all-time. Also, if you take away SC's games vs ND all-time, SC still has played around nearly twice as many games against the blue bloods as Alabama.

    When I get a chance I'll take a look at some of the numbers for the teams at the next level that you are talking about.

    I concede that point on SC, but my guess without looking at the numbers is that most of the other 8 haven't played such large numbers of games outside of their rivalries.

    Concerning your point about .700+, I go back to the idea that having the "Big 6", where other conferences don't have as many historically elite teams lowers the potential winning percentage of those teams. Playing 2 or 3 historically elite programs a year and playing 4 or 5 a year certainly yields lower records for the latter over time.

    This post was edited by FortWorthTide on 1/2/2013 at 4:50 PM

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  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    I understand what you are saying, but this was just about the teams that are over .700 all-time. Also, if you take away SC's games vs ND all-time, SC still has played around nearly twice as many games against the blue bloods as Alabama.

    When I get a chance I'll take a look at some of the numbers for the teams at the next level that you are talking about.

    mostly just by happenstance due to rose bowl affiliation which created many games vs. michigan and OSU IMO

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  • scinsc5 said...

    mostly just by happenstance due to rose bowl affiliation which created many games vs. michigan and OSU IMO

    Hadn't thought about that.

    FortWorthTide

  • Touching on what others have posted, these numbers are skewed! Bama not having a conference mate or rival that is a "blue blood" hurts the perception these numbers give off. This means Bama played most other blue bloods in bowl games, which means they were almost always playing good teams, especially when Bowls were limited. It's not like other teams who played each other yearly. You have to be careful when looking at numbers like these because they don't give the complete story.

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