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The .700 Club (The 8 blue bloods vs each other all-time)

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    I apologize for going that direction, that was more for a certain few people that never want to have an intelligent discussion.

    You do have some valid points and have some numbers I'll share when I get home later about what you said. Probably be able to post it by morning.

    Looking forward to it. I don't doubt that USC will rank in the top 2 or 3 no matter how we pick the stats - I'm completely fine with that and think USC deserves to be there. I just think that Alabama's accomplishments against the top 15 or so teams (you could draw the line at .600 or so all time) would be the best or close to it. When you consider how many teams in the SEC fall into that category, it merits a second look. It shouldn't be the only set of data considered, because that would just be biased, but it should definitely be examined and factored in.

    FortWorthTide ●

  • I'm actually bored and am going to run some numbers right now. Should be done within an hour.

    FortWorthTide ●

  • Ok, here it is. Sorry for the formatting (I'm not too savvy with that kind of thing). These are in order of win percentage against teams from the listed group. The second number for each team is games against the group. I went back and forth about how to choose the group, and this is what I ultimately went with.

    First, I took all teams with a .600 all time winning percentage.

    Second, I eliminated all teams with below 1000 games played (got rid of Boise).

    Third, ran the numbers for the first time.

    Fourth, took out Miami (OH), Virginia Tech, and West Virginia. After looking at the results, they hadn't played enough games against the others in the group, weren't in the same conference as any other member of the group, and had the worst win percentages. West Virginia being left out does kind of hurt Penn State, but that brings me to the fifth thing I did.

    Fifth, considered dropping Penn State and Washington, but did not. I kept these two because both were borderline, but in the same conference as another school on the list. I did not want to have any biases (for example, it would take away quite a bit from USC to have Washington removed) so I kept these in there. Again, Penn State may hate me for removing WVU, but at least I didn't pull you from the list all together. The final list is 16 teams.

    Texas
    0.612540193 311

    Alabama
    0.58131068 412

    USC
    0.570564516 248

    Notre Dame
    0.560538117 223

    Michigan
    0.559241706 211

    Nebraska
    0.508379888 179

    Auburn
    0.486215539 399

    Oklahoma
    0.484615385 260

    Florida
    0.481873112 331

    Georgia
    0.477839335 361

    Tennessee
    0.477586207 290

    Ohio State
    0.464824121 199

    LSU
    0.460294118 340

    Penn St
    0.399122807 114

    Texas A&M
    0.359683794 253

    Washington
    0.322916667 144

    This post has been edited 4 times, most recently by FortWorthTide on 1/3/2013 at 12:18 AM

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  • FortWorthTide said...

    Ok, here it is. Sorry for the formatting (I'm not too savvy with that kind of thing). These are in order of win percentage against teams from the listed group. The second number for each team is games against the group. I went back and forth about how to choose the group, and this is what I ultimately went with.

    First, I took all teams with a .600 all time winning percentage.

    Second, I eliminated all teams with below 1000 games played (got rid of Boise).

    Third, ran the numbers for the first time.

    Fourth, took out Miami (OH), Virginia Tech, and West Virginia. After looking at the results, they hadn't played enough games against the others in the group, weren't in the same conference as any other member of the group, and had the worst win percentages. West Virginia being left out does kind of hurt Penn State, but that brings me to the fifth thing I did.

    Fifth, considered dropping Penn State and Washington, but did not. I kept these two because both were borderline, but in the same conference as another school on the list. I did not want to have any biases (for example, it would take away quite a bit from USC to have Washington removed) so I kept these in there. Again, Penn State may hate me for removing WVU, but at least I didn't pull you from the list all together. The final list is 16 teams.

    Texas 0.612540193 311

    Alabama 0.58131068 412

    USC 0.570564516 248

    Notre Dame 0.560538117 223

    Michigan 0.559241706 211

    Nebraska 0.508379888 179

    Auburn 0.486215539 399

    Oklahoma 0.484615385 260

    Florida 0.481873112 331

    Georgia 0.477839335 361

    Tennessee 0.477586207 290

    Ohio State 0.464824121 199

    LSU 0.460294118 340

    Penn St 0.399122807 114

    Texas A&M 0.359683794 253

    Washington 0.322916667 144

    Upvote for all that work and number crunching you did.

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    Rabid ●

  • Thank you FWT for doing the number crunching I've never wanted to do. Lol.

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  • So Penn State isn't a blue blood?

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  • Texas Lion said...

    So Penn State isn't a blue blood?

    That stretch from 1998-2011 where you didn't win a game hurts your case imo. biggrin

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  • FortWorthTide said...

    I'm actually bored and am going to run some numbers right now. Should be done within an hour.

    did you use this site to get all your info? Someone on here showed me it a while back and I absolutely love it. Use it all the time.

    College Football Trivia

    http://www.cfbtrivia.com/cfbt_teamrecords.php

    www.cfbtrivia.com
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  • FortWorthTide said...

    Ok, here it is. Sorry for the formatting (I'm not too savvy with that kind of thing). These are in order of win percentage against teams from the listed group. The second number for each team is games against the group. I went back and forth about how to choose the group, and this is what I ultimately went with.

    First, I took all teams with a .600 all time winning percentage.

    Second, I eliminated all teams with below 1000 games played (got rid of Boise).

    Third, ran the numbers for the first time.

    Fourth, took out Miami (OH), Virginia Tech, and West Virginia. After looking at the results, they hadn't played enough games against the others in the group, weren't in the same conference as any other member of the group, and had the worst win percentages. West Virginia being left out does kind of hurt Penn State, but that brings me to the fifth thing I did.

    Fifth, considered dropping Penn State and Washington, but did not. I kept these two because both were borderline, but in the same conference as another school on the list. I did not want to have any biases (for example, it would take away quite a bit from USC to have Washington removed) so I kept these in there. Again, Penn State may hate me for removing WVU, but at least I didn't pull you from the list all together. The final list is 16 teams.

    Texas 0.612540193 311

    Alabama 0.58131068 412

    USC 0.570564516 248

    Notre Dame 0.560538117 223

    Michigan 0.559241706 211

    Nebraska 0.508379888 179

    Auburn 0.486215539 399

    Oklahoma 0.484615385 260

    Florida 0.481873112 331

    Georgia 0.477839335 361

    Tennessee 0.477586207 290

    Ohio State 0.464824121 199

    LSU 0.460294118 340

    Penn St 0.399122807 114

    Texas A&M 0.359683794 253

    Washington 0.322916667 144

    Good stuff - But I'm wondering why you eliminated teams below 1000 games.
    I agree with getting rid of Boise, but you also got rid of Florida St, Miami(FL), Arizona St.
    Just curious, but good research.

    I have something I'll post in a few minutes that is not complete but it shows several
    SEC teams so I'll put it out what I got so far. It's similar to what you did, but it expands to the 40 teams
    with the best winning pct. of all-time and then just results between those 40 teams.
    It eliminates all non AQ type teams, so just the top 40 from major AQ Confs & ND.

    This post was edited by NcaaAssassinG13 on 1/3/2013 at 8:07 AM

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  • These are the top 40 AQ type teams all-time by win pct
    (listed here by their primary conf for the most part)

    PAC (8)- USC, Arizona St, UCLA, Washington, Stanford, Oregon, Arizona, California.
    SEC (8)- Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, LSU, Florida, Auburn, Arkansas, Ole Miss.
    B1G (6)- Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Michigan St, Wisconsin, Minnesota.
    B12 (7)- Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska, Texas A&M, Colorado, Texas Tech, Missouri.
    ACC (6)- Florida St, Miami, Va Tech, Ga Tech, Clemson, North Carolina.
    East (5)- Notre Dame, West Virginia, Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College.

    I only have a few schools done so far.

    Vs Top 40 Schools All-Time---------------- vs the Top 8
    ============================================
    USC............(444-241-31).641 - 716g.....69-65-8 (51%)
    ND..............(347-196-15).635 - 558g.....91-73-7 (55%)
    Alabama.....(368-221-26) 62% - 615g.....16-20-2 (45%)
    Georgia......(359-283-33) 56% - 675g.....29-45-4 (40%)
    Tennessee.(275-221-24) 55% - 520g.....46-63-7 (43%)
    UCLA..........(303-265-21) 53% - 589g.....47-75-8 (39%)
    LSU............(290-262-18) 52% - 570g......40-69-1 (37%)

    NcaaAssassinG13 ●


  • Here's one other thing I thought you might find interesting, it's the PAC & SEC
    members win % all-time OOC games only vs teams above .500.

    PAC 12 (thru 2/1/2012)
    All-Time OOC games vs teams above .500
    ==================================
    USC - 59%
    Arizona St - 47%
    Stanford - 45%
    UCLA - 41%
    Washington - 38%
    Oregon - 37%
    California - 36%
    Oregon St - 35%
    Arizona - 32%
    Wash St - 23%
    ============
    PAC (.411)
    ============

    SEC (Thru 2/1/2012)
    All-Time OOC games vs teams above .500
    ==================================
    Alabama - 53%
    Georgia - 49%
    LSU - 48%
    Tennessee - 47%
    Auburn - 46%
    Ole Miss - 43%
    Florida - 42%
    Miss State - 38%
    Arkansas - 36%
    Kentucky - 36%
    Vanderbilt - 34%
    South Car - 26%
    =============
    SEC (.412)
    =============

    Crazy huh? Thousands of games and only .001 % different.

    NcaaAssassinG13 ●

  • Very interesting numbers. I'd say we now have three sets of data.
    1) the blue bloods (your original list)
    2) the elite teams (my list)
    3) solid programs (your second list)

    It is interesting to see how the numbers change against the different sets of teams.

    FortWorthTide ●

  • I figured this would be a good place for this. The bluebloods through the year (total wins only):

    1870's

    Michigan 1

    1880's

    Michigan 18
    USC 4
    Notre Dame 2

    1890's

    Michigan 72
    Nebraska 41
    Ohio St 40
    Texas 36
    Notre Dame 29
    USC 17
    Alabama 11
    Oklahoma 8

    1900's

    Michigan 82
    Nebraska 70
    Ohio St 69
    Notre Dame 65
    Texas 60
    Oklahoma 51
    Alabama 45
    USC 32

    1910's

    Oklahoma 65
    Texas 65
    Notre Dame 63
    Nebraska 58
    Ohio St 55
    Michigan 52
    Alabama 50
    USC 29

    1920's

    USC 87
    Notre Dame 83
    Alabama 72
    Texas 64
    Michigan 58
    Nebraska 55
    Ohio St 44
    Oklahoma 38

    1930's

    Alabama 79
    USC 72
    Notre Dame 66
    Nebraska 62
    Ohio St 57
    Michigan 53
    Oklahoma 49
    Texas 47

    1940's

    Notre Dame 82
    Texas 78
    Michigan 74
    Oklahoma 69
    Alabama 66
    Ohio St 57
    USC 57
    Nebraska 34

    1950's

    Oklahoma 93
    Notre Dame 64
    Texas 64
    Ohio St 63
    USC 60
    Michigan 52
    Alabama 50
    Nebraska 39

    1960's

    Alabama 90
    Texas 86
    USC 76
    Nebraska 75
    Ohio St 68
    Notre Dame 62
    Oklahoma 62
    Michigan 55

    1970's

    Alabama 103
    Oklahoma 102
    Nebraska 98
    Michigan 96
    USC 93
    Notre Dame 91
    Ohio St 91
    Texas 88

    1980's

    Nebraska 103
    Oklahoma 91
    Michigan 90
    Alabama 85
    Ohio St 82
    USC 78
    Notre Dame 76
    Texas 73

    1990's

    Nebraska 108
    Michigan 93
    Alabama 91
    Ohio St 91
    Notre Dame 84
    Texas 74
    USC 68
    Oklahoma 61

    2000's

    Oklahoma 110
    Texas 110
    Ohio St 102
    USC 102
    Nebraska 84
    Michigan 81
    Alabama 79
    Notre Dame 70

    2010's

    Alabama 34
    Oklahoma 32
    Ohio St 30
    Nebraska 29
    Notre Dame 28
    Michigan 26
    USC 25
    Texas 22

    This post was edited by BetterOff on 1/3/2013 at 4:01 PM

    BetterOff

  • FortWorthTide said...

    Very interesting numbers. I'd say we now have three sets of data.
    1) the blue bloods (your original list)
    2) the elite teams (my list)
    3) solid programs (your second list)

    It is interesting to see how the numbers change against the different sets of teams.

    Well, sort of. What the 3rd tier will do is tell us which of the teams in the 2nd tier (your elite teams) either don't belong or should have company.

    Because if an elite team has a worse record vs the top 40 and the elite tier, than a team in the 3rd tier does, then that team isn't elite or should be joined in the elite by that 3rd tier team that was better, wouldn't you agree?

    NcaaAssassinG13 ●

  • Ohio State is the only program to be ranked in at least 7 out of 10 years in every decade since 1950.

    That is consistently elite.

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    devidee

  • 80s and 90s.... pure domination flex

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  • devidee said...

    Ohio State is the only program to be ranked in at least 7 out of 10 years in every decade since 1950.

    That is consistently elite.

    Except it's not, because you didn't include a half century. Consistency needs to be the vast majority of time.

    FortWorthTide ●

  • Damn I feel pretty good then South Carolina is doing ok against the blue bloods

    South Carolina vs Southern Cal 1 win 1 loss .500
    South Carolina vs Texas 1 win 0 loss 1.000
    South Carolina vs ND 1 win 3 loss .250
    South Carolina vs OU Never played
    South Carolina vs Ohio St 2 win 0 loss 1.000
    South Carolina vs Mich 2 win 1 loss .667 Counting this years bowl
    South Carolina vs Bama 3 win 12 loss .200
    South Carolina vs Neb 1 win 3 loss .250

    I guess we Bama is really the only team that owns us in the .700 club. But of course that's all-time.

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  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    SEC (Thru 2/1/2012)
    All-Time OOC games vs teams above .500
    ==================================
    Alabama - 53%
    Georgia - 49%
    LSU - 48%
    Tennessee - 47%
    Auburn - 46%
    Ole Miss - 43%
    Florida - 42%
    Miss State - 38%
    Arkansas - 36%
    Kentucky - 36%
    Vanderbilt - 34%

    ****************
    South Car - 26%
    ***************

    SEC (.412)
    =============

    Ya South Car hanging in there at 8-8 against the heavies, unfortunately there's that 50-205 or whatever it is against winning teams all-time
    SCar'ing the Gamecocks record.

    But you guys are pretty good right now. Congrats on a good season.

    NcaaAssassinG13 ●

  • Hskr4Life23 said...

    80s and 90s.... pure domination flex

    OU in the 50's was ridiculous.

    Nebraska was dominating in the 80's and 90's for sure. Just didn't get enough hardware in the 80's though. Dr. Tom struggled in the Orange Bowl back then. Tough for the Big 8 when the OB seemed to turn into the Big8 champion vs the best team in Florida though.

    BetterOff

  • The thing about this whole thread, though I am quite impressed with all the number crunching (if I ever become a billionaire and need some financial advisors into creating my own business, I may hit up some of ya'll!), is that as said in the very first post, none of it really makes a difference in the game monday, and honestly, the only thing I would argue and consider really relevant is the previous two years in the history of a team...

    JRol003

  • FortWorthTide said...

    Except it's not, because you didn't include a half century. Consistency needs to be the vast majority of time.

    No other program has done it.

    You can't get any more elite than that.

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  • JRol003 said...

    The thing about this whole thread, though I am quite impressed with all the number crunching (if I ever become a billionaire and need some financial advisors into creating my own business, I may hit up some of ya'll!), is that as said in the very first post, none of it really makes a difference in the game monday, and honestly, the only thing I would argue and consider really relevant is the previous two years in the history of a team...

    Cool. Then don't ever open the thread again. We are just talking about the history of college football. Nothing Earth shattering here.

    I have passed your input along and it is being considered.

    BetterOff

  • FortWorthTide said...

    Except it's not, because you didn't include a half century. Consistency needs to be the vast majority of time.

    I would say that is pretty impressive. Alabama can stake the claim as the only team in the SEC to win an SEC championship every decade since the beginning of the conference. That doesn't mean Alabama has dominated every single season, or decade for that matter, but it would mean that they are the most consistantly elite team in the conference.

    OU, Bama, Notre Dame, and USC may have had more peaks over the years than tOSU, but they've also had more down year as well.

    BetterOff

  • ....hold on, let me put my blonde toupee on.......

    BetterOff.........

    YOU'RE FIRED!

    :)

    This post was edited by JRol003 on 1/5/2013 at 5:35 PM

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