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The 99% vs the 1% in college football it has to STOP!

  • jkt360 said...

    Feel sorry for me, that's fine. I do what I can to help who I can. I wouldn't be so quick to judge me. But IMO it is a shame that 1 person ruins it for several. If more people held those people accountable instead of trying to guilt me for not supporting a system that is less honest than myself when it comes to reaching out, then we would be a whole lot better off. To answer your question I would not sacrifice the 8. I would hold the 1 accountable so that the 8 didn't have to suffer. I can do that when I distribute my contributions.

    I'm just saying your real choice is either sacrificing the 8 to punish the 1 or living with an imperfect system. The gov. can't afford to police the system to the point it needs to be.

    I accept the system will always be imperfect but I would rather some of my money go to someone undeserving so those 8 people who need the money can get it- than no one get it at all.

    TalHawkins112

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  • TalHawkins112 said...

    I'm just saying your real choice is either sacrificing the 8 to punish the 1 or living with an imperfect system. The gov. can't afford to police the system to the point it needs to be.

    I accept the system will always be imperfect but I would rather some of my money go to someone undeserving so those 8 people who need the money can get it- than no one get it at all.

    Well we have different outlooks on the matter. I respect yours as well as mine.

    As far as what what the government can afford and how they choose to distribute our money, as I said I can distribute my contributions much better and it won't break me not giving money to abusers. Affordability is a matter of opinion. You only mention some of the outcomes of our choices. The short term ones... "real choice is either sacrificing the 8 to punish the 1 or living with an imperfect system". You left out the long term effects which are supporting a system that gives incentives for people to not work or find a job which leads to a society that would rather be given handouts than to contribute to society. You do realize that while we were in this conversation, a thread was created title: "I just quit my job today... I will be accepting unemployment tomorrow. What should I do because I won't be busy for a few months now".

    I don't buy that the system can't be changed. I believe the ROI will negate the cost, and because I believe that way, I will vote for a person who best supports my beliefs.

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  • jkt360 said...

    Troll?

    If so, it's award winning.... nice work, I must say.

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  • dbamafan said...

    If so, it's award winning.... nice work, I must say.

    got me

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  • tuskstider said...

    Nice one, Tusk.. covered the down vote that some fool gave you, btw +1

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  • jkt360 said...

    got me

    Yeah, I almost quoted the OP and answered with a "Roll Tide, bruh" but for some reason passed... he started losing his troll skirt a little later on, though.. exposed himself...

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  • Lesticals said...

    What? So you are saying kids from Louisiana who dream of playing for lsu shouldn't get a chance bc he has to play at some small school to make it fair?

    You are nuts and this thread is retarded.

    Yup.. that's what he's saying.... if he's not the best troll since 'Lonzo he's coming close - or at least I hope he's trolling. If he really believes what he is saying it's piteous.

    BTW.. I covered the dreaded down vote +1...

    This post was edited by dbamafan on 1/17/2012 at 7:13 PM

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  • jkt360 said...

    Well we have different outlooks on the matter. I respect yours as well as mine.

    As far as what what the government can afford and how they choose to distribute our money, as I said I can distribute my contributions much better and it won't break me not giving money to abusers. Affordability is a matter of opinion. You only mention some of the outcomes of our choices. The short term ones... "real choice is either sacrificing the 8 to punish the 1 or living with an imperfect system". You left out the long term effects which are supporting a system that gives incentives for people to not work or find a job which leads to a society that would rather be given handouts than to contribute to society. You do realize that while we were in this conversation, a thread was created title: "I just quit my job today... I will be accepting unemployment tomorrow. What should I do because I won't be busy for a few months now".

    I don't buy that the system can't be changed. I believe the ROI will negate the cost, and because I believe that way, I will vote for a person who best supports my beliefs.

    In that case to your "supporting a system that gives incentives for people to not work or find a job which leads to a society that would rather be given handouts than to contribute to society" I would contend that that 1/9 of those who abuse the welfare system did not create that society and in fact is only a small portion of it. You are giving way too much credit to welfare for that.

    That part of society could be blamed on the fact we work for so little freedoms we have, or the general American individualistic culture rather than the collectivism of most Asian countries, where they put the emphasis on the good of the community rather than themselves. Whereas in our country there will always be those who focus on themselves at the expense of the community, a la those who take welfare checks they don't need.

    There are pros and cons to our society, but that is a con I will concede. However to think that all of that is because of welfare is blowing the problem out of proportion.

    TalHawkins112

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  • freebnasty said...

    Recruiting you look at the top10-15 recruiting classes each and every year. And its the same ole schools, we all know the names the big SEC schools, the Florida schools, West coast school. and the schools with the traditions and all of that.

    And the little guy doesnt stand half a chance in recruiting 99% of the time. The best school doesnt alway win. If 18,17 yea rold were should great decision makers, Drinking age would be 17, and people could run for president and 19. Its rough out here in this world 99% vs 1% just like the every day man or woman working hard 2, 3 jobs to the bone.

    And the rich paying in taxes less in % wise than their sectaries and all that jazz. This whole country is moving to this, eat or be eating SUPER GREEDY , capitalism Greed market. And its moving to college sports too. the ncaa is a joke, college presidents dont want a playoff, the Ncaa is run by the college president. yet the ncaa joke is to police the colleges! What type of a joke is that?

    You have some States like in Michigan where coward Governor taken away the rights of unions. Even Republicans like the good ones in Indiana and saying that's not right.

    To me its almost a miracle that we have teams like Bosie State and TCU, Oregon Even VA tech in a way

    that each and every year they keep winning, even when the game is against them, and even more amazing why teams like florida state, and UCLA And Notre Dame dont win more, when its pretty much set up for them to make it too BSC games each year.

    Alot of this recruits todays age are just followers, sheep hate to say it but its true, but going from Indiana to LSu to ND? come on. Kids from the north going to the south to play football, 70% of the kids will ride the bench for 3 years. alot of them will not make it to the NFL, because they didnt get that chance to play. Less playing time in the south, Sec, Florida schools. But its hard to get that through to 17, 18years old, when in their home town its 25 degrees in jan, and their taken Jan 20 trips to U of Florida , Were it will be65 degree and sunny with hot chick everywhere. sheep been sheep.

    But its the culture, every man or woman for himself, Wall street going nuts, taken trillions from government and paying 0% interest on the money, and the 99% average man or woman would have to pay 8-10 % on a loan. and Wonder why even Republicans dont like Mr Wall Street Mitt Romney. I know am all over the place , but its connect some how you know.

    this whole greed is good movement of the 80,s and 90,s turned America into 99% vs the 1%. made people super greedy.

    Money is not bad, its the love of money thats bad.

    Obama, is that you?

    CarpeDiem

  • BornToBeRed said...

    Anyone want to give me the point of this one? That's a lot of reading.

    Here's the Cliff's Notes Red...those big mean schools are taking all the good players and IT'S NOT FAIR!

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  • freebnasty said...

    NCAA, the college Presidents need to even the playing field.

    You are right, they need to trim the fat remove A LOT of schools from the BCS. No more free loaders!

    MildReTIDEation

  • jkt360 said...

    Troll?

    Yeah, I should waited till page 2 to respond. Nice troll job though. He had me for a page which is longer than usual.

    MildReTIDEation

  • freebnasty said...

    What recruiting boost? Oregon U of NIKE. has the #21 class right now.

    2011 they finished 12, in 2010 they finished 20th wow thats really something. You cant fool me i have studied the recuiting classes for Oregon, FSU, TExas, LSu, BAMA from 2006-2012 and its not even class, LSU and Oregon did the best with their talent they brought in, ORegon has a lot of 3 star kids on their team, LSu has mostly 4 star, 1,2 5 stars, and 3 stars.

    But Florida state was the worst to me, they brought in classes that were equal to LSu or even better. And did nothing with them, Texas recruiting is nuts, hey get who ever they want in Texas. and still cant make a Bcs game??????

    So the have's are getting pretty much who they want. and still that's not enough,. Espn , rivals.com all this site help out the big boys. try watching ESPNU recruiting shows. its always the same 10 teams, Notre Dame, Florida, FSU, BAMA, LSU, TEXAS USC. this is why i dislike espn so much.They have an interest in who does well, their becoming like foxnews or msnbc.

    1) I don't understand why you're so angry; and

    2) It's pretty clear that the recruiting rankings are an inexact science. When you have teams offering kids as sophomores, inevitably you're going to end up with a few prospects that don't develop as anticipated. Not surprising; a guy is going to look different at 20 than at 16. Teams like Texas and Penn State got burned with this "early commit" strategy; PSU no longer does it, though Texas does.

    3) A top 20 class is pretty darn good; you're at about the 83rd percentile nationally. Give the variables in recruiting (mostly between the "high 3-stars" and "low 4-stars"), a top 20 class could pretty easily end up beating a top 10 class down the road.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    1) I don't understand why you're so angry; and

    2) It's pretty clear that the recruiting rankings are an inexact science. When you have teams offering kids as sophomores, inevitably you're going to end up with a few prospects that don't develop as anticipated. Not surprising; a guy is going to look different at 20 than at 16. Teams like Texas and Penn State got burned with this "early commit" strategy; PSU no longer does it, though Texas does.

    3) A top 20 class is pretty darn good; you're at about the 83rd percentile nationally. Give the variables in recruiting (mostly between the "high 3-stars" and "low 4-stars"), a top 20 class could pretty easily end up beating a top 10 class down the road.

    All am saying to everyone is,equal and fair is the way to go. Am writing this for the young men the athletes. Just last week Alabama told a kid who had committed a year ago,that he had to grey shirt. We all know the sec practices of pushing kids out of the program and over signings. Am speaking to all those northeast athletes. Stay home at your home town schools,and build them into power houses. Mama knows best. And on the politics side ,Democrat are for all people doing well. And that's poor,middle class and rich. The Republicans on fox news and congress all for the rich only. And lastly no am not angry. But do you think it's fair nick saban rank Oklahoma state in the 20s just to keep them out of the title game. That's cheating.

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  • Alabama wasn't recruiting on a high level, in my opinion, during the Dubose, Franchione, Shula years. Saban came in, turned the program around, and now all of the big time recruits want to be apart of the success. I wouldn't lump Bama in this discussion because we were only an average program for the first half of the 2000's.

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  • brandon21mc said...

    Alabama wasn't recruiting on a high level, in my opinion, during the Dubose, Franchione, Shula years. Saban came in, turned the program around, and now all of the big time recruits want to be apart of the success. I wouldn't lump Bama in this discussion because we were only an average program for the first half of the 2000's.

    Are you kidding me. Alabama fans trying to say their not part of the top "1%" is like Mitt Romney saying he didn't work very much. And he understands the average everyman. Bama is part of the problem too. Your coach is shady. Auburn is very shady too. And I wouldn't be shocked if Florida state is shady also.

    freebnasty

  • freebnasty said...

    All am saying to everyone is,equal and fair is the way to go. Am writing this for the young men the athletes. Just last week Alabama told a kid who had committed a year ago,that me had to grey shirt. We all know the sec practices of pushing kids out of the program and over signings. Am speaking to all those northeast athletes. Stay home at your home town schools,and build them into power houses. Mama knows best. And on the politics side ,Democrat are for all people doing well. And that's poor,middle class and rich. The Republicans on fox news a d congress all for the rich only. And lastly no am not angry. But do you think it's fair nick saban rank Oklahoma state in the 20s just to keep them out of the title game. That's cheating.

    Yea, this is either a schtick/troll or a 14 year old.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Yea, this is either a schtick/troll or a 14 year old.

    Sorry about the spelling errors am on my phone. But am 23 years old. Not from America so by English is a little rough,but am not trolling. I hope every one enjoys signing day. I just want to enjoy signing day too :-(

    freebnasty

  • freebnasty said...

    Sorry about the spelling errors am on my phone. But am 23 years old. Not from America so by English is a little rough,but am not trolling. I hope every one enjoys signing day. I just want to enjoy signing day too :-(

    You am not America that for sure. It clear you dont same ideals as Americans. I thought USSRcollapsed.

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  • freebnasty said...

    Not from America...

    And here it is! Look, you can't get caught up in stars and hype. I assure you there's not one player on Boise State's team that turned Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas, Michigan, Ohio State or any other power team down to play there. However, they've played great in their bowl games and have been good in BCS games. This is America...I don't have to share. Don't like it? Work harder and beat me.

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  • The reason why the schools get behind is because they are doing the same thing you are. Complaining. Auburn was a doormat in the 70's in the state of Alabama, and we still have a lot more hardships in this state than most think, but we roll with the punches and spend money to make it happen... People who think like you get behind in life. People who think like a capitalist, get ahead in life and that is perfectly fair.

    This crap that you are tying CFB to is because people today want to blame others for their problems... like you are doing... get off your ass and get a damn job... get off your ass and beat somebody and recruits will come.

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  • MildReTIDEation said...

    You am not America that for sure. It clear you dont same ideals as Americans. I thought USSRcollapsed.

    I mean I believe in hard work and everyman for himself. Just figured American also believed in no child left behind. But I love America and love college football.

    freebnasty