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Hawkifish said...
You see, that right there is discrimination and is unconstitutional. So a guy couple that has been together for say 40 years shouldn't get the sane benefits as two heterosexuals who met each other at a bar a week ago?
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theFightingtide said...
I do not see that as being self-righteous. That is asking God to help him out, whether he thinks he needs it or not.
Not saying it is you, but there are a lot of people in the world today that have been rubbed the wrong way by Christians, and it is obvious that some of us(Myself included) are rather bold with our statements, but I do not think telling someone you are praying for them is being too bold and self-righteous.
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goodnews said...
Hawk - using an extreme example to make your point doesn't make your point. You're better than that. It isn't discriminatory to deny someone something that isn't their right. The polygamist feels like they should have the same rights. Where's your sympathy for them?
This post was edited by Hawkifish on 2/24/2012 at 3:45 PM
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Hawkifish said...
It's basically telling someone that they need help from God. To me that seems kind of demeaning. Especially when it is coupled with statements calling the person ignorant.
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theFightingtide said...
It is my belief that everyone needs help from God. I guess if they don't like it, oh well. It is also their right to walk away, ignore me, or make a starement(as you did) and then I will have a reply(hopefully an informative reply) for whatever if is.
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goodnews said...
Folks, hold your stinking horses. I apologize but I work a good bit. I also said before (in another thread) that I'm not going to get in a internet source war with you. A huge problem in our country is that we are beginning to debate and make up our minds via Wikipedia. I prefer to get my info from reputable, well sourced, peer reviewed, published materials. Whatever your position I implore you not to educate yourselves via the internet. MOST EVERYTHING ON THE INTERNET IS PUBLISHED BY MOSTLY UNINFORMED ZEALOTS FROM BOTH SIDES. I'm not currently with my library, but I would refer you to an extremely well-sourced book by Dr. James Dobson entitled, "Marriage Under Fire." I also have a friend of a friend who's a missionary in Germany but has spent a good bit of time in Holland. And, since the law hasn't been in place but about 10 years or so the effects are just starting to be seen. But, the attitude toward relationships and marriage in general has begun to go south. It's not only due to gay marriage to be sure. Gay marriage is really just a symptom of the problem.
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goodnews said...
Hawk - using an extreme example to make your point doesn't make your point. You're better than that. It isn't discriminatory to deny someone something that isn't their right. The polygamist feels like they should have the same rights. Where's your sympathy for them?
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Did any of you actually look to see who he is? From [gasp, forgive me goodnews] Wikipedia:
"James Clayton "Jim" Dobson, Jr. (born April 21, 1936) is an American evangelical Christian author, psychologist, and founder in 1977 of Focus on the Family (FOTF), which he led until 2003. In the 1980s he was ranked as one of the most influential spokesmen for conservative social positions in American public life. Although never an ordained minister, he was called "the nation's most influential evangelical leader" by Time while Slate portrayed him as a successor to evangelical leaders Billy Graham, Jerry Falwell, and Pat Robertson."
Also:
"In the winter of 2004-2005, the We Are Family Foundation sent American elementary schools approximately 60,000 copies of a free DVD using popular cartoon characters (most notably SpongeBob SquarePants) to "promote tolerance and diversity." Dobson contended that "tolerance" and "diversity" are "buzzwords" that the We Are Family Foundation misused as part of a "hidden agenda" to promote homosexuality."
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"In Dobson's view, homosexuality is a choice that is made through influences in a child's environment rather than an inborn trait. He states that homosexual behavior, specifically "unwanted same-sex attraction", has been and can be "overcome" through understanding developmental models for homosexuality and choosing to heal the complex developmental issues which led to same-sex attraction."
Now, goodnews, I have no doubt that this man has influenced many millions of Americans, but I cannot read those facts, about that man, and determine that anything he's written about gay marriage is "reputable, well sourced, [and] peer reviewed."
Probably too heavy for a Friday evening, but my God, come on.
Sounds like a guy who would use facts to back up his points....
The FACTS are that at present there is no evidence that gay marriage has led to any deterioration in society.
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goodnews said...
I don't want to get heavily involved in another discussion. But, this post reeks with ignorance.
As an American I have a right to be against anything that I deem to be immoral, regardless of what race or creed I hail from. I sincerely believe homosexual marriage is morally wrong, as is my right to believe. I also believe polygamy is wrong, as is my right to believe. I'm not anti-homosexual, or anti-polygamist, and quite the opposite. But, I have a right to lobby for things that I believe in and against things that I disagree with. The tyranny these days occurs more often by folks like you who use shallow reasoning to say that anyone who wants to do anything should be allowed to do it as long as it "doesn't affect others." That clause is the most dangerous ideal facing us today. and, just ask the folks in Scandinavia how the family uinit is faring since legalizing gay marriage.
If America becomes a society that legalizes gay marriage then so be it. That's America. But, I have a right to be against it without your tyranny or any kind of labeling as a bigot, which I am not.
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What traditional idea of marriage are you talking about? The one that existed in the bible? If that's the case I think you'll find that our society has completely abandoned that since we aren't treating women like property, bigamy is outlawed, and grown men aren't marrying children anymore.
Fact is gay people exist, like it or not. The importance of family is a traditional conservative value and allowing two people who love each other to marry isn't harming the family, it's helping it. I would rather have a married gay couple living next to my family than an unmarried one just like I would rather live in a neighborhood with married straight couples. Marriage promotes stability and that is good for everyone in society. It's precisely because marriage is important, rather than the opposite, that it should be extended to everyone.
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Sounds like a guy who would use facts to back up his points....
The FACTS are that at present there is no evidence that gay marriage has led to any deterioration in society.
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BamaLivesFootba said...
First off, just because the country was founded by people who adhered to values shared with Judeo-Christian values,does not mean this is a Judeo-Christian country. The way the country was formed completely voids that "theory". Second off, in the way the country is set up,no minority is bound by the whims of the majority. If the national sub-conscious dictates relative values,so be it,but this country is NOT set up for the religious beliefs to consciously be set upon the rule of law. The law is seperate from that. Period. You can have private religious institutions have their view on marriage,but when it comes to the rule of law on marriage,the contract between two consenting adults, it is and should not be a factor. Period.
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gwgator05 said...
Just to be clear I didn't put those words in your mouth, and apologize for any confusion. I was merely giving a broad example to support my position that liberty involves having to put up with the actions of others even if we don't like how those people exercise their freedom. Some people may find flag burning to be disgusting. Some people may find homosexuality disgusting. Some people may find satanic cults disgusting. What is or isn't disgusting is subjective, but I certainly didn't intend to imply that you believe homosexuality is disgusting based on your comments.
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goodnews said...
I appreciate your response. You've made some quality posts. I would just add that some folks might not like a country committed to traditional marriage as well. But, under your scenario they may have to live with it. I genuinely don't want to hurt anyone. However, I won't say polygamy is right just b/c a group of people think otherwise. Rather, I will work to ensure it isn't a reality in our culture. Same goes for non-traditional marriage.
i def admire your persistence in fighting the good fight , lots of great points are being made by both sides ...
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