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  • TroyTide said...

    I think that is the case yes. It's worth noting the seagull is no longer on the chimney. I reapeat, the seagull is no longer on the chimney.

    This thing is wide open now, who knows what will happen at this point.

    Is anyone following the seagull? Shouldn't we know where it goes?

    VTSmitty

  • VTSmitty said...

    Is anyone following the seagull? Shouldn't we know where it goes?

    I would certainly hope so. There is no telling what sort of mischief that bird is up too.

    TroyTide

  • Smitty the seagull does have a twitter account and is being followed by 762 people. Seems he is on fact being followed.

    TroyTide

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  • It's actually kinda a beautiful thing to see in all seriousness. I would imagine its the Italian, be a boring pick though.

    TroyTide

  • All this is amazing to see as a human structure and expressive establishment.

    That said is there no humility left? Their Messiah, Christ, rode into town on a donkey and was born in a stall. Purportedly. So they build a billion dollar building and all the catholics show up to worship the Pope when he's named? None of it makes sense. But it never will because that "Holy Spirit" that's supposed to convict, guide, and inspire is nowhere to be found.

    fsufsu

  • fsufsu said...

    All this is amazing to see as a human structure and expressive establishment.

    That said is there no humility left? Their Messiah, Christ, rode into town on a donkey and was born in a stall. Purportedly. So they build a billion dollar building and all the catholics show up to worship the Pope when he's named? None of it makes sense. But it never will because that "Holy Spirit" that's supposed to convict, guide, and inspire is nowhere to be found.

    I mean its not like they just built the thing yesterday. Blame the Renaissance for the grandeur. Besides its the Church of Rome it's built in honor of God, so yeah it's going to be magnificent. So much hate on this board you lefties truly are a miserable bitter bunch.

    TroyTide

  • TroyTide said...

    I mean its not like they just built the thing yesterday. Blame the Renaissance for the grandeur. Besides its the Church of Rome it's built in honor of God, so yeah it's going to be magnificent. So much hate on this board you lefties truly are a miserable bitter bunch.

    Only as miserable as the few billions of people who were taxed till starvation in the name of purchasing salvation from their local bishop. Salvation from a god who didn't exist till 500 BC after at least 225,000years of human existence and deity creation.

    fsufsu

  • fsufsu said...

    Only as miserable as the few billions of people who were taxed till starvation in the name of purchasing salvation from their local bishop. Salvation from a god who didn't exist till 500 BC after at least 225,000years of human existence and deity creation.

    I must say, I enjoy your posts on religion. Have you changed your views though? Swore you were on the other side of the fence in previous debates

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  • fsufsu said...

    Only as miserable as the few billions of people who were taxed till starvation in the name of purchasing salvation from their local bishop. Salvation from a god who didn't exist till 500 BC after at least 225,000years of human existence and deity creation.

    Ah yes I remember Pope Francis declaring those taxes.

    TroyTide

  • TroyTide said...

    Ah yes I remember Pope Francis declaring those taxes.

    If you clowns were still telling people they could pay for salvation you'd be public enemy #1. Catholic Church has done an average to decent job of watering down your stances as science and the information age demanded change. In a hundred years you'll be claiming everything down to the supremacy of Christ for salvation is up for debate and really not a hard line deal. Christian faith will continue to mold and weaken in the face of logic and information.

    Hell, the entire cosmological view proposed in Genesis 1:1-4 is the Cosmological view of Panbabyloniasm. Turns out the world isn't a snow globe with a "super ocean" that god came and hovered above. When we found out that multiple galaxies exist all you could say is that god made it all to portray his own nature. Then we will find microbial life elsewhere and the Vatican/preachers across the world will work that into their doctrine. etc. etc.

    All that matters is that over the last 9k years so safely presumably going back at least 50k years mankind has said, "We dont understand, so it must be god" and they've all had their own storyline and deity. Yours was like ticket #1,564 or something like that. YHWH did not exist until 500BC.....think about that. Think about it. Every single human being ever has had the exact same experience and yet you really believe your god is the ONE that is actually real, the others arent. Say that out loud a couple times. When you show up to church and tell folks they need christ what you are doing is looking in the eyes of the estimated 60B Homo Sapiens that ever lived and you are saying, "your god isnt real, mine is" and they ask how do you know, and you say back, "because my sociocultural sphere says so." And they say back, "funny, thats all I was going off of as well."

    fsufsu

  • fsufsu said...

    If you clowns were still telling people they could pay for salvation you'd be public enemy #1. Catholic Church has done an average to decent job of watering down your stances as science and the information age demanded change. In a hundred years you'll be claiming everything down to the supremacy of Christ for salvation is up for debate and really not a hard line deal. Christian faith will continue to mold and weaken in the face of logic and information.

    Hell, the entire cosmological view proposed in Genesis 1:1-4 is the Cosmological view of Panbabyloniasm. Turns out the world isn't a snow globe with a "super ocean" that god came and hovered above. When we found out that multiple galaxies exist all you could say is that god made it all to portray his own nature. Then we will find microbial life elsewhere and the Vatican/preachers across the world will work that into their doctrine. etc. etc.

    All that matters is that over the last 9k years so safely presumably going back at least 50k years mankind has said, "We dont understand, so it must be god" and they've all had their own storyline and deity. Yours was like ticket #1,564 or something like that. YHWH did not exist until 500BC.....think about that. Think about it. Every single human being ever has had the exact same experience and yet you really believe your god is the ONE that is actually real, the others arent. Say that out loud a couple times. When you show up to church and tell folks they need christ what you are doing is looking in the eyes of the estimated 60B Homo Sapiens that ever lived and you are saying, "your god isnt real, mine is" and they ask how do you know, and you say back, "because my sociocultural sphere says so." And they say back, "funny, thats all I was going off of as well."

    Science does not disprove God.

    TroyTide

  • TroyTide said...

    Science does not disprove God.

    My goodness man, read my post again. If that's all you can respond to then you're deep in it. Too deep to discuss it with.

    fsufsu

  • fsufsu said...

    My goodness man, read my post again. If that's all you can respond to then you're deep in it. Too deep to discuss it with.

    Life forms on other planets do not contradict anything in the Bible. Nice try though.

    TroyTide

  • TroyTide said...

    Life forms on other planets do not contradict anything in the Bible. Nice try though.

    "All that matters is that over the last 9k years so safely presumably going back at least 50k years mankind has said, "We dont understand, so it must be god" and they've all had their own storyline and deity. Yours was like ticket #1,564 or something like that. YHWH did not exist until 500BC.....think about that. Think about it. Every single human being ever has had the exact same experience and yet you really believe your god is the ONE that is actually real, the others arent. Say that out loud a couple times. When you show up to church and tell folks they need christ what you are doing is looking in the eyes of the estimated 60B Homo Sapiens that ever lived and you are saying, "your god isnt real, mine is" and they ask how do you know, and you say back, "because my sociocultural sphere says so." And they say back, "funny, thats all I was going off of as well."'

    fsufsu

  • TroyTide said...

    Life forms on other planets do not contradict anything in the Bible. Nice try though.

    True dat. About all those that do not believe in God because there is no proof, are positive that life exist on other planets, though there is no proof.

    VTSmitty

  • No one will have an answer for my main point that I reposted.

    fsufsu

  • Crickets....

    fsufsu

  • fsufsu said...

    No one will have an answer for my main point that I reposted.

    What's to address?

    Judaism the root of Christianity and basis of the first books of the Old Testament goes back to at least Ramses II, back to before the Pyramids. It goes back at least 5,000 years. So your 500BC is wrong.

    As for the rest of your paragraph it's just drivel. Just because others believe in a different god doesn't make the Christian God any less real. That's like saying that because some people are Republicans that Obama doesn't exist...if only, lol.

    TroyTide

  • TroyTide said...

    What's to address?

    Judaism the root of Christianity and basis of the first books of the Old Testament goes back to at least Ramses II, back to before the Pyramids. It goes back at least 5,000 years. So your 500BC is wrong.

    As for the rest of your paragraph it's just drivel. Just because others believe in a different god doesn't make the Christian God any less real. That's like saying that because some people are Republicans that Obama doesn't exist...if only, lol.

    I would also point out that the God of Jews and Christians is the oldest God on Earth in the human belief context. There is not a religion older than Judaism, and Christianity is just a spin off of Judaism based of the death of Jesus Christ.

    TroyTide

  • fsufsu said...

    "All that matters is that over the last 9k years so safely presumably going back at least 50k years mankind has said, "We dont understand, so it must be god" and they've all had their own storyline and deity. Yours was like ticket #1,564 or something like that. YHWH did not exist until 500BC.....think about that. Think about it. Every single human being ever has had the exact same experience and yet you really believe your god is the ONE that is actually real, the others arent. Say that out loud a couple times. When you show up to church and tell folks they need christ what you are doing is looking in the eyes of the estimated 60B Homo Sapiens that ever lived and you are saying, "your god isnt real, mine is" and they ask how do you know, and you say back, "because my sociocultural sphere says so." And they say back, "funny, thats all I was going off of as well."'

    Is what other people believe seriously that painful for you? You seemed confused by your beliefs, and distraught over what Christians believe. It really seems to torment you that others believe in God, and Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, and they won't stop.

    VTSmitty

  • VTSmitty said...

    Is what other people believe seriously that painful for you? You seemed confused by your beliefs, and distraught over what Christians believe. It really seems to torment you that others believe in God, and Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, and they won't stop.

    No torment, just making sure folks understand what they claim. This is the focus.....

    Every single human being ever has had the exact same experience and yet you really believe your god is the ONE that is actually real, the others arent. Say that out loud a couple times. When you show up to church and tell folks they need christ what you are doing is looking in the eyes of the estimated 60B Homo Sapiens that ever lived and you are saying, "your god isnt real, mine is" and they ask how do you know, and you say back, "because my sociocultural sphere says so." And they say back, "funny, thats all I was going off of as well."'

    This post was edited by fsufsu on 3/14/2013 at 10:17 AM

    fsufsu

  • TroyTide said...

    I would also point out that the God of Jews and Christians is the oldest God on Earth in the human belief context. There is not a religion older than Judaism, and Christianity is just a spin off of Judaism based of the death of Jesus Christ.

    There's not a religion older than Judaism? surrender

    fsufsu

  • fsufsu said...

    No torment, just making sure folks understand what they claim. This is the focus.....

    Every single human being ever has had the exact same experience and yet you really believe your god is the ONE that is actually real, the others arent. Say that out loud a couple times. When you show up to church and tell folks they need christ what you are doing is looking in the eyes of the estimated 60B Homo Sapiens that ever lived and you are saying, "your god isnt real, mine is" and they ask how do you know, and you say back, "because my sociocultural sphere says so." And they say back, "funny, thats all I was going off of as well."'

    Really, you feel obligated to make sure folks understand what they believe?

    VTSmitty