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  • Going to a 4 team playoff who decides the 4 teams that will go?

    The coaches poll is a joke because coaches are the last people to see every team in the nation play and usually have their SIDs do the voting.

    A "committee of experts" sounds great but it could be manipulated with a biased selection of the committee members and or collusion among the members. An open ballot would go a long way to preventing that.

    Computers are just machines that can be manipulated by input and programming.

    Even a 4 team playoff is going to have controversy. Especially if 3 of the teams come from one conference. I'm just afraid the 4 team plan will just end up to be a repackaged BCS with an extra game for the money.

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  • i'd like to see the bcs polls used for a selection committee to choose from.

    like top 6-8 in bcs polls (using ap (add it back), harris, cpu's, and drop the coaches) to be eligible

    and a selection committee to choose from those. make committee small, and release votes to keep honest.

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  • theharbinater said...

    i'd like to see the bcs polls used for a selection committee to choose from.

    like top 6-8 in bcs polls (using ap (add it back), harris, cpu's, and drop the coaches) to be eligible

    and a selection committee to choose from those. make committee small, and release votes to keep honest.

    A committee sounds great in theory, but it would be a disaster in practice. Can you imagine the uproar the first time any of the top four ranked teams aren't chosen for the playoff? And if you think recruits getting death threats for burning letters is bad, wait until certain teams' fans find out which committee members voted against them and cost them a shot at the MNC. It will make poisoning a couple of trees look like child's play.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MrWoodson on 6/1/2012 at 10:23 AM

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  • Best solution: use BCS, take top 4 teams at the end of year

    Most fair to all schools. Being a conference champ doesn't mean much when your conference is bottom of the barrel. A CC from one of those has ZERO business going to a playoff over a 1 loss 2nd place team from another conference. This is allowed in EVERY other college sport, don't forget that.

    NCAA basketball used to be set up where you had to win your conference to make the tourney, but it was dropped in 1975 because the tourneys SUCKED. And many really really good teams got left out because they were 2nd in their conference (in 1970 #2 ranked USC was left out because they didn't win the PAC)

    Demanding only conference champs will lead to sub par tourneys and raise controversy of who the real champ is because way more talented teams will be left out.

    Not all conferences are equal.....this isn't the NFL

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  • coolstorybro said...

    Best solution: use BCS, take top 4 teams at the end of year

    Most fair to all schools. Being a conference champ doesn't mean much when your conference is bottom of the barrel. A CC from one of those has ZERO business going to a playoff over a 1 loss 2nd place team from another conference. This is allowed in EVERY other college sport, don't forget that.

    NCAA basketball used to be set up where you had to win your conference to make the tourney, but it was dropped in 1975 because the tourneys SUCKED. And many really really good teams got left out because they were 2nd in their conference (in 1970 #2 ranked USC was left out because they didn't win the PAC)

    Demanding only conference champs will lead to sub par tourneys and raise controversy of who the real champ is because way more talented teams will be left out.

    Not all conferences are equal.....this isn't the NFL

    have to agree with you and much better than taking top 2 like they do now

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  • get rid of the poles..let conference winners play for it all.

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  • Dawg E. Style said...

    get rid of the poles..let conference winners play for it all.

    What does this have to do with Eastern Europe? rimshot

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 6/1/2012 at 10:29 AM

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  • Dawg E. Style said...

    get rid of the poles..let conference winners play for it all.

    Do not discriminate against Polish people. Are you a Nazi?

    WRobins

  • WRobins said...

    Do not discriminate against Polish people. Are you a Nazi?

    UGA's school colors are exactly the same as the Nazi flag. Hmmmmm ....

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 6/1/2012 at 11:21 AM

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  • MrWoodson said...

    UGA's school colors are exactly the same as the Nazi flag. Hmmmmm ....

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  • Dawg E. Style said...

    headslap

    Does it really matter?
    We all know this is going to be weighted to get as many SEC teams into it as possible
    It will be 3 SEC teams and 1 Big 12 oir 2 SEC 1 Big 12 and whichever Pac 12 Big 10 or ACC team that is rated highest

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  • Dawg E. Style said...

    Is that icon some salute to Hitler?

    WRobins

  • coolstorybro said...

    Best solution: use BCS, take top 4 teams at the end of year

    Most fair to all schools. Being a conference champ doesn't mean much when your conference is bottom of the barrel. A CC from one of those has ZERO business going to a playoff over a 1 loss 2nd place team from another conference. This is allowed in EVERY other college sport, don't forget that.

    NCAA basketball used to be set up where you had to win your conference to make the tourney, but it was dropped in 1975 because the tourneys SUCKED. And many really really good teams got left out because they were 2nd in their conference (in 1970 #2 ranked USC was left out because they didn't win the PAC)

    Demanding only conference champs will lead to sub par tourneys and raise controversy of who the real champ is because way more talented teams will be left out.

    Not all conferences are equal.....this isn't the NFL

    The issue is that the Bcs poll is just too flawed to be relied on. I like the conf champ top 6 model. It adds a check and balance to each. I invite anyone who is interested to go back and look at the past ten years and u will see that the top 6 model produced the better top 4 when it was all said and done

    This post was edited by MJRuffalo on 6/1/2012 at 12:10 PM

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  • WRobins said...

    Is that icon some salute to Hitler?

    What school do you claim ?

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  • MJRuffalo said...

    The issue is that the Bcs poll is just too flawed to be relied on. I like the conf champ top 6 model. It adds a check and balance to each. I invite anyone who is interested to go back and look at the past ten years and u will see that the top 6 model produced the better top 4 when it was all said and done

    But, the top 6 model is still going to use the BCS to rank conference champions. Therefore, your supposed bias is still present. ie, what if a #7 ranked team is a conference champ....they will argue the BCS isn't fair for not having them in the top 6 just like teams argue right now about being left out of the top 2.

    People rag on the BCS, but it has gotten the right 2 teams in the game pretty much all the time. And it is 100x better than what was present before.

    This post was edited by coolstorybro on 6/1/2012 at 12:47 PM

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  • coolstorybro said...

    But, the top 6 model is still going to use the BCS to rank conference champions. Therefore, your supposed bias is still present. ie, what if a #7 ranked team is a conference champ....they will argue the BCS isn't fair for not having them in the top 6 just like teams argue right now about being left out of the top 2.

    People rag on the BCS, but it has gotten the right 2 teams in the game pretty much all the time. And it is 100x better than what was present before.

    Top 6 provides enough space to mitigate the inherent flaws in the bcs poll, at least IMO

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  • MJRuffalo said...

    Top 6 provides enough space to mitigate the inherent flaws in the bcs poll, at least IMO

    it still uses the BCS to rank teams.

    the only way CC only format would make sense is if the conferences were all equal (in number and power). this will never be though.

    This post was edited by coolstorybro on 6/1/2012 at 1:01 PM

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  • coolstorybro said...

    it still uses the BCS to rank teams.

    the only way CC only format would make sense is if the conferences were all equal (in number and power). this will never be though.

    Not sure what u are arguing for or against, and I am not sure if you understand what I am saying.

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  • MJRuffalo said...

    Not sure what u are arguing for or against, and I am not sure if you understand what I am saying.

    im pointing out that you are against the BCS, but don't see a problem with the top 6 model still using the BCS.

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  • coolstorybro said...

    it still uses the BCS to rank teams.

    the only way CC only format would make sense is if the conferences were all equal (in number and power). this will never be though.

    I completely agree with your point of conferences being equal, I also agree that the polls will always be inaccurate, honestly the only way to do it is....well...I just dont know....but the BCS has always said the season is a playoff, then after last year they did a 180. Not a knock on Bama, but if the season was a playoff like they have always said, then Bama would not have been in the MNC game. Now we are back to the polls as to how Bama was there. Maybe the 2 best teams played, maybe they didnt. We as fans will never know.

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  • coolstorybro said...

    im pointing out that you are against the BCS, but don't see a problem with the top 6 model still using the BCS.

    It's as simple as being against it, as simply realizing its flaws. Top 6 model if u go back and look produces the better group of 4 teams based on the final polls than taking the final top 4 of the bcs poll. So for those arguing for the best 4 teams this is the better model to use.

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  • MJRuffalo said...

    It's as simple as being against it, as simply realizing its flaws. Top 6 model if u go back and look produces the better group of 4 teams based on the final polls than taking the final top 4 of the bcs poll. So for those arguing for the best 4 teams this is the better model to use.

    then just take the top 6 and top 2 get a bye.

    the conferences are not close to being equal.

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  • Dawg E. Style said...

    I completely agree with your point of conferences being equal, I also agree that the polls will always be inaccurate, honestly the only way to do it is....well...I just dont know....but the BCS has always said the season is a playoff, then after last year they did a 180. Not a knock on Bama, but if the season was a playoff like they have always said, then Bama would not have been in the MNC game. Now we are back to the polls as to how Bama was there. Maybe the 2 best teams played, maybe they didnt. We as fans will never know.

    well you can thank OSU for that. For Bama to get back in, a lot of things had to happen (Boise losing, Oregon losing again, OSU losing to a scrub, etc.). The fact is the BCSNC isn't just given to a team....they have to play someone.

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  • coolstorybro said...

    then just take the top 6 and top 2 get a bye.

    the conferences are not close to being equal.

    It's gonna be 4. The cc top 6 compromise is the best system to use at this point in time. Not sure if it will be the one used or not. Could be the top 3 conf champs and an at large. But I prefer the top 6 model myself. It will not be the final bcs top 4 though.

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  • coolstorybro said...

    well you can thank OSU for that. For Bama to get back in, a lot of things had to happen (Boise losing, Oregon losing again, OSU losing to a scrub, etc.). The fact is the BCSNC isn't just given to a team....they have to play someone.

    Not sure if all of that is true. OSU losing is, but not sure about Oregon or Boise.

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