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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Zero chance that a 1 loss Florida gets in before an undefeated tOSU. tOSU is getting no play because they are ineligible. Many don't talk about them because they are out of the picture anyway. Without a playoff, they are playing ND if they beat Nebraska in the CCG. The debate would be which undefeated team is getting left out, tOSU, ND or Oregon. Add the playoff, and Bama comes into play.

    We’ll see when the time come’s but IMO there is a strong chance that it could happen. Bedside’s the fact OSU is undefeated, UF has a much better resume, with wins over A&M, LSU, FSU, and USCe. Their loss is also a very good loss. An argument could be made that they are the better team.

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    Iowa offered Brian Allen, Jack Allen's younger brother, before he played a snap of HS football.

    So perhaps on the night of inception for the next Bullough we can make an offer.

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  • steveschneider said...

    So perhaps on the night of inception for the next Bullough we can make an offer.

    Oh, Pylon St8ofmind is already convinced that we should force all the Bulloughs to marry MSU Women's Volleyballl players for the good of the gene pool.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • CWEBB said...

    We’ll see when the time come’s but IMO there is a strong chance that it could happen. Bedside’s the fact OSU is undefeated, UF has a much better resume, with wins over A&M, LSU, FSU, and USCe. Their loss is also a very good loss. An argument could be made that they are the better team.

    Argument? Absolutely. However, in the eyes of the polls, undefeated BCS conf. teams go over everyone else. It would have been tOSU - ND this year for the NC.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • CWEBB said...

    We’ll see when the time come’s but IMO there is a strong chance that it could happen. Bedside’s the fact OSU is undefeated, UF has a much better resume, with wins over A&M, LSU, FSU, and USCe. Their loss is also a very good loss. An argument could be made that they are the better team.

    Besides logic, there is another reason it won't happen. The committee that selects the teams supposedly is going to have one representative from each FBS conference. And it will be in no one's interest (except maybe the SEC) to set a precedent in which 1-loss non-champions from the SEC tend to get in over undefeated champions from other conferences. Think of it like the UN General Assembly. The non-power conferences are going to dominate the voting. And even the power conferences (other than the SEC) are not going to be inclined to go along with anything that regularly puts their undefeated conference champions at a disadvantage.

    IMO you will probably see a hierarchy something like:

    (1) undefeated conference champions from power conferences (SEC, B10, P12, B12, ACC, ND)
    (2) 1-loss conference champions from power conferences
    (3) undefeated conference champions from non-power conferences
    (4) 1-loss teams from the SEC
    (5) 1-loss teams from power conferences other than the SEC

    It will be a slight advantage to the SEC, but not insurmountable. It will be similar to the advantage the SEC and B10 seem to have held getting at-large BCS bids during the BCS era. Most years, no conference will get more than one team in the Football Final Four, but sometimes it will happen and the SEC will get two teams in more often than any other conference.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by MrWoodson on 12/6/2012 at 1:34 PM

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  • CWEBB said...

    We’ll see when the time come’s but IMO there is a strong chance that it could happen. Bedside’s the fact OSU is undefeated, UF has a much better resume, with wins over A&M, LSU, FSU, and USCe. Their loss is also a very good loss. An argument could be made that they are the better team.

    There's no way in hell an undefeated AQ team gets left out over a 1-loss SEC team.

    No. Way.

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    Argument? Absolutely. However, in the eyes of the polls, undefeated BCS conf. teams go over everyone else. It would have been tOSU - ND this year for the NC.

    But there are no more polls, and there are no more computers. A commite is going try to pick the 4 best teams. A strong argument can be made that UF is a better team than OSU.

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  • CWEBB said...

    But there are no more polls, and there are no more computers. A commite is going try to pick the 4 best teams. A strong argument can be made that UF is a better team than OSU.

    We can come up with all kinds of hypotheticals, but the fact of the matter is, an undefeated AQ school is going to be in the top 4. If OSU was eligible this year, and they beat Nebraska in the B1GCG, they'd be playing ND for the title, and Bama wouldn't.

    This post was edited by Due51 on 12/6/2012 at 1:32 PM

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  • Due51 said...

    We can come up with all kinds of hypotheticals, but the fact of the matter is, an undefeated AQ school is going to be in the top 4. If OSU was eligible this year, and they beat Nebraska in the B1GCG, they'd be playing ND for the title, and Bama wouldn't.

    Agree but that is the system we have now. There is no more BCS.

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    Oh, Pylon St8ofmind is already convinced that we should force all the Bulloughs to marry MSU Women's Volleyballl players for the good of the gene pool.

    If all three sons have three sons, we'll have 9 bulloughs in approximately 20 to 25 years. Then in 25 more, we'd have 27. It t's really crazy when you think about it.

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  • CWEBB said...

    But there are no more polls, and there are no more computers. A commite is going try to pick the 4 best teams. A strong argument can be made that UF is a better team than OSU.

    First, you are ignoring committee dynamics and politics. Second, the official statement put out when the four-team playoff was announced specifically said a bias would be given to conference champions over non-champions. It will be used to break ties when three or four 1-loss teams are vying for the last 1-2 spots.

    MrWoodson

  • D.Wags said...

    If all three sons have three sons, we'll have 9 bulloughs in approximately 20 to 25 years. Then in 25 more, we'd have 27. It t's really crazy when you think about it.

    In 50 years, MSU could field an entire starting 22 out of nothing but Bulloughs, plus a kicker, punter, KR and PR. The 27th could be the long snapper.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Argument? Absolutely. However, in the eyes of the polls, undefeated BCS conf. teams go over everyone else. It would have been tOSU - ND this year for the NC.

    I wonder which fan base is more upset about OSU's bowl ban. OSU or ND? lol

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  • MrWoodson said...

    First, you are ignoring committee dynamics and politics. Second, the official statement put out when the four-team playoff was announced specifically said a bias would be given to conference champions over non-champions. It will be used to break ties when three or four 1-loss teams are vying for the last 1-2 spots.

    And here is your defacto quarterfinals. What it will do is protect a strong team from having to meet up wtih a strong team from it's own conference in my opinion. For example. 2006 UM/OSU both would most likely make a semifinal game. I'm sure last year with the Alabama/LSU thing in season one would have climbed into the semi's also. But the conference championship will definately be a defacto quarterfinal for the final four.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    IMO you will probably see a hierarchy something like:

    (1) undefeated conference champions from power conferences (SEC, B10, P12, B12, ACC, ND) (2) 1-loss conference champions from power conferences (3) undefeated conference champions from non-power conferences (4) 1-loss teams from the SEC (5) 1-loss teams from power conferences other than the SEC

    It will be a slight advantage to the SEC, but not insurmountable. It will be similar to the advantage the SEC and B10 seem to have held getting at-large BCS bids during the BCS era. Most years, no conference will get more than one team in the Football Final Four, but sometimes it will happen and the SEC will get two teams in more often than any other conference.

    What would have happened if a 10-2 Nebraska team, beat a 12-0 OSU team in the championship game?

    I wonder if they both would get in?

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  • AS THE BUBBLE TURNS

    Latest RPI ...

    2. MICHIGAN
    9. Illinois
    11. Indiana
    14 Minnesota
    20. Ohio State

    55. Nebraska
    59. Northwestern
    81. Michigan State
    82. Iowa
    92. Maryland
    95. Wisconsin
    140. Rutgers
    169. Purdue
    184. Penn State

    http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.html

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 12/6/2012 at 1:52 PM

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  • D.Wags said...

    What would have happened if a 10-2 Nebraska team, beat a 12-0 OSU team in the championship game?

    I wonder if they both would get in?

    It would depend on ranking wouldn't it? If OSU was #1 in the country they'd drop below 4 with a loss that late in the season. Especially with a loss to a 10-2 team.

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  • D.Wags said...

    And here is your defacto quarterfinals. What it will do is protect a strong team from having to meet up wtih a strong team from it's own conference in my opinion. For example. 2006 UM/OSU both would most likely make a semifinal game. I'm sure last year with the Alabama/LSU thing in season one would have climbed into the semi's also. But the conference championship will definately be a defacto quarterfinal for the final four.

    My guess is they would try to separate two teams from the same conference when seeding the semifinals, like they do in basketball and hockey, but idk.

    MrWoodson

  • MrWoodson said...

    AS THE BUBBLE TURNS

    Latest RPI ...

    2. MICHIGAN 9. Illinois 11. Indiana 14 Minnesota 20. Ohio State

    55. Nebraska 59. Northwestern 81. Michigan State 82. Iowa 92. Maryland 95. Wisconsin 140. Rutgers 169. Purdue 184. Penn State

    http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.html

    *yawn*

    Talk to me in late Feb.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • MrWoodson said...

    AS THE BUBBLE TURNS

    Latest RPI ...

    2. MICHIGAN 9. Illinois 11. Indiana 14 Minnesota 20. Ohio State

    55. Nebraska 59. Northwestern 81. Michigan State 82. Iowa 92. Maryland 95. Wisconsin 140. Rutgers 169. Purdue 184. Penn State

    http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.html

    Do we get a first round NIT game at our place and do they still use those cool Red, White, and Blue balls?

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    DWags

  • steveschneider said...

    It would depend on ranking wouldn't it? If OSU was #1 in the country they'd drop below 4 with a loss that late in the season. Especially with a loss to a 10-2 team.

    But that's the point. There are no rankings. Or, rather, the committee creates its own rankings. My guess is this year, with the B10 being viewed as weak, if Nebraska (10-2) beat OSU (12-0) in the BTCCG, neither would make the four team field. Stanford and Kansas State, both conference champions, would have as good or better claims than Nebraska. And OSU would be a 1-loss non-champion just like UF and Oregon. No obvious basis for OSU getting in over either.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MrWoodson on 12/6/2012 at 2:00 PM

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  • steveschneider said...

    It would depend on ranking wouldn't it? If OSU was #1 in the country they'd drop below 4 with a loss that late in the season. Especially with a loss to a 10-2 team.

    A one loss OSU plays an Undefeated MSU and wins. Michigan has one loss. SEC teams all have two. Only one has one. ND has two.

    Michigan gets in by staying home.

    panic

    My tears would taste like National chmapionship

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    DWags

  • SpartanRocky said...

    *yawn*

    Talk to me in late Feb.

    Don't shoot the messenger.

    MrWoodson

  • D.Wags said...

    Do we get a first round NIT game at our place and do they still use those cool Red, White, and Blue balls?

    No. You get a $5 off coupon at Buffalo Wild Wings.

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    MSU isn't a very good football program.. takes year of consistent winning to get to that level. - copemoney 1/22/13

    Due51

  • D.Wags said...

    A one loss OSU plays an Undefeated MSU and wins. Michigan has one loss. SEC teams all have two. Only one has one. ND has two.

    Michigan gets in by staying home.

    panic

    My tears would taste like National chmapionship

    Dude. Come on. Lay off the quaaludes.

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    MSU isn't a very good football program.. takes year of consistent winning to get to that level. - copemoney 1/22/13

    Due51

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