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  • MrWoodson said...

    So what? Bowls pick based on $$$ not based on how a team does in its last game. UNL has a better record, won the division, beat NW head-to-head, has a much stronger national brand and travels better. I don't see a single benefit to the Cap One in taking NW over UNL. This is a story created by butthurt NW alum journalists (see Teddy Greenstein). It is entirely different than the story claiming the Cap One wanted A&M, which I believe because it makes perfect sense for all the reasons NW doesn't.

    1. Mike Bianchi wrote the column. He graduated from Florida.

    2. They probably didn't want Nebraska b/c bowls frequently elect not to take the same team two years in a row.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Idk. Is he?

    I don't know. You seem to think greenstein made it up because he's a northwestern grad. That article says bianchi talked to 2 capital one bowl reps, why would he make it up?

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  • Due51 said...

    That tells you what a joke All-_______ can be. If Omameh is All-Big10, the league's in bigger trouble than even Steve claims.

    Our interior OL was abused. They got pushed into the backfield, pulled and didn't hit a soul, and blew up more plays than I've ever seen.

    If the new recruits perform worse, we're doomed.

    Sooner or later you guys catch up to my claims. It's amazing how prescient my posting is.

    This post was edited by steveschneider on 12/13/2012 at 4:44 PM

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Ok, Stanford is just smarter ...

    "We built a silly device, took it over to the recovery room and, lo and behold, it worked beyond our wildest imaginations," Heller explained. "Whereas it was taking them hours to re-warm patients coming into the recovery room, we were doing it in eight, nine minutes."

    But the glove's effects on athletic performance didn't become apparent until the researchers began using the glove to cool a member of the lab –the confessed "gym rat" and frequent coauthor Vinh Cao –between sets of pull-ups. The glove seemed to nearly erase his muscle fatigue; after multiple rounds, cooling allowed him to do just as many pull-ups as he did the first time around. So the researchers started cooling him after every other set of pull-ups.

    "Then in the next six weeks he went from doing 180 pull-ups total to over 620," said Heller. "That was a rate of physical performance improvement that was just unprecedented."

    The researchers applied the cooling method to other types of exercise –bench press, running, cycling. In every case, rates of gain in recovery were dramatic, without any evidence of the body being damaged by overwork –hence the "better than steroids" claim. Versions of the glove have since been adopted by the Stanford football and track and field teams, as well as other college athletics programs, the San Francisco 49ers, the Oakland Raiders and Manchester United soccer club.

    http://news.stanford.edu/news/2012/august/cooling-glove-research-082912.html

    Dude, we need one of those gloves for our OL.

    Bad.

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  • Jandy said...

    Are you sure it couldn't be worse?

    Been there, thought that.

    By my count, if Lewan leaves, you will be losing 4/5 OL. I think counting on your running game improving would be a bit foolhardy, IMO.

    We have much better OL coaches than you though.

    This post was edited by msucantmakebcs on 12/13/2012 at 4:53 PM

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  • Braintrust said...

    I don't know. You seem to think greenstein made it up because he's a northwestern grad. That article says bianchi talked to 2 capital one bowl reps, why would he make it up?

    Greenstein was pushing this story on selection Sunday. Then Rittenberg and Wilbon started repeating it. I don't know where Bianchi went to school or who he talked to, but the first three are NW grads and were pushing it way before Bianchi. Is it possible someone on the committee wanted NW? Yeah, sure, who knows. I don't even know how many people are on the committee. If they had 20 people vote it's possible the vote wasn't be unanimous. I am just using business logic. If you owned the Cap One Bowl personally and the amount of money you were going to make depended on TV ratings and ticket sales, would you select Legends #3 NW (9-3, 5-3) over Legends #1 Nebraska (10-3, 7-1)? If so, based on what?

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  • Jandy said...

    I went inner-outer.

    I'm uneasy with PSU having the entire eastern seaboard to themselves in recruiting so I'd prefer east-west. It would make for some great recruiting battles between Michigan-Ohio and PSU for New Jersey and Maryland talent.

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  • Jandy said...

    To be solid starters as RS-FR?

    I wish you the best, but I don't share your optimism.

    The only RS-FR is Kalis and he was a 5 star recruit.

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  • msucan'tmakebcs said...

    We have much better OL coaches than you though.

    Based on?

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  • msucan'tmakebcs said...

    I'm uneasy with PSU having the entire eastern seaboard to themselves in recruiting so I'd prefer east-west. It would make for some great recruiting battles between Michigan-Ohio and PSU for New Jersey and Maryland talent.

    Agree. I'd rather have a recruiting advantage in NJ and MD than IA and WI.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Greenstein was pushing this story on selection Sunday. Then Rittenberg and Wilbon started repeating it. I don't know where Bianchi went to school or who he talked to, but the first three are NW grads and were pushing it way before Bianchi. Is it possible someone on the committee wanted NW? Yeah, sure, who knows. I don't even know how many people are on the committee. If you had 20 people vote it's possible the vote wouldn't be unanimous. I am just using business logic. If you owned the Cap One Bowl personally and the amount of money you were going to make depended on TV ratings and ticket sales, would you select Legends #3 NW (9-3, 5-3) over Legends #1 Nebraska (10-3, 7-1)? If so, based on what?

    2 separate sources on the committee stated that the committee wanted Northwestern-TAMU, but B1G/SEC "basically forced them" to take the other selections. So, there goes your theory.

    You are completely ignoring the fact that bowls generally do not like to take the same team two years in a row.

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  • Jandy said...

    Based on?

    Did you see your OL this year? You are 6 years into the Dantonio era and you still can't get a push even with all of your starters back.

    This post was edited by msucantmakebcs on 12/13/2012 at 5:09 PM

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  • Jandy said...

    2 separate sources on the committee stated that the committee wanted Northwestern-TAMU, but B1G/SEC "basically forced them" to take the other selections. So, there goes your theory.

    You are completely ignoring the fact that bowls generally do not like to take the same team two years in a row.

    Bowls take the same teams in back to back years all the time. It's a consideration, but one among many. Believe what you want. Add it to your list of conspiracy theories. Delany hates both MSU and NW and will use all his powers to keep them down. You people are absolutely delusional.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 12/13/2012 at 5:08 PM

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  • msucan'tmakebcs said...

    Did you see your OL this year?

    Um, did you see yours?

    Ours had significant injuries all year. Yours did not, yet it regressed. Why do you think that is?

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Bowls take the same teams in back to back years all the time. It's a consideration, but one among many. Believe what you want. Add it to your list of conspiracy theories. Delany hates both MSU and NW and will use all his powers to keep them down. You people are absolutely delusional.

    And you're freaking retarded. Please, point out where I complained or said Delany hates MSU.

    You're the one that is choosing to ignore a national, sourced article, so that you can instead believe your own pretty little picture.

    Do you know what gets really old really fast? Somebody calling you delusional when they're the ones walking around with their eyes closed. You are either trolling hardcore or a blatant moron.

    This post was edited by Jandy on 12/13/2012 at 5:13 PM

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  • Jandy said...

    Um, did you see yours?

    Ours had significant injuries all year. Yours did not, yet it regressed. Why do you think that is?

    We are two years into the Hoke era with recruits that don't fit our system and significant depth issues at OL. You are six years into the Dantonio era and your OL still didn't get a push when they all came back healthy. Last year's OL was pretty good so I'm willing to give Funk the benefit of the doubt.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Bowls take the same teams in back to back years all the time. It's a consideration, but one among many. Believe what you want. Add it to your list of conspiracy theories. Delany hates both MSU and NW and will use all his powers to keep them down. You people are absolutely delusional.

    HAHA. I just re-read what you wrote.

    You said it's a conspiracy theory that I'm complaining about.

    Yet you're the one claiming that Northwestern grads conspired to start this story in the media and then waited for other writers to pick up on it.

    You are an absolute piece of work.

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  • Jandy said...

    HAHA. I just re-read what you wrote.

    You said it's a conspiracy theory that I'm complaining about.

    Yet you're the one claiming that Northwestern grads conspired to start this story in the media and then waited for other writers to pick up on it.

    You are an absolute piece of work.

    Tell me, oh knowledgeable one, if the Cap One really wanted NW but the B10 forced them to take UNL instead, why didn't the Outback take NW? Presumably the same business considerations were at work. Why wasn't the Outback giddy with excitement over the opportunity to land the NW team that the Cap One wanted but couldn't take? Why would they also take a pass? Were they forced to pass on NW too? For what reason?

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Tell me, oh knowledgeable one, if the Cap One really wanted NW but the B10 forced them to take UNL instead, why didn't the Outback take NW? Presumably the same business considerations were at work. Why wasn't the Outback giddy with the opportunity to land the team that the Cap One wanted but couldn't take? Why would they also take a pass? Were they forced to pass on NW too? For what reason?

    I don't know, and I don't care. You see, I don't have to speculate on reasons for why things happened, because I am simply referencing multiple sources saying the same thing.

    You're the one who thinks some alternate version of the story took place, the burden of proof is on you.

    Edit: and for the record, I never claimed the Capital One Bowl was sooo eager to take Northwestern, I suggested they simply might not have wanted Nebraska. But carry on believing what you will, I'm just dying to know what you'll come up with next.

    This post was edited by Jandy on 12/13/2012 at 5:27 PM

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  • Jandy said...

    I don't know, and I don't care. You see, I don't have to speculate on reasons for why things happened, because I am simply referencing multiple sources saying the same thing.

    You're the one who thinks some alternate version of the story took place, the burden of proof is on you.

    Got it. You're a parrot. You cannot think for yourself but simply repeat what others tell you and what you read on the internet without engaging any critical thought process at all. I have to admit, that helps explain much of what you post here.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Got it. You're a parrot. You cannot think for yourself but simply repeat what others tell you and what you read on the internet without engaging any critical thought process at all. I have to admit, that helps explain much of what you post here.

    Got it, you don't believe sourced articles. You believe that the media conspires together to make up stories about a team getting passed on for a bowl game.

    How do you know this? Because another bowl passed on that very same team. OMG!

    Nebraska wasn't an attractive option, it was widely talked about. And I did give you a perfectly good explanation above; it wasn't that Northwestern was particularly attractive, it's that Nebraska was unattractive. They had gone there the year before. They just got blown out and fan support was low after a fairly disappointing season. It's not as absurd as you are trying to make it out to be.

    These writers that you claim are making things up, do you have evidence that they have in the past? Why would a completely unrelated writer also make up the very same story? Is there a single shred of evidence, other than the thoughts in your brain, that Northwestern wasn't the first option of the Capital One bowl committee?

    This post was edited by Jandy on 12/13/2012 at 5:39 PM

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  • I'm almost home from my 2 day trip to Indiana, if anyone cares. Brought home a bottle of Tito's pot distiller, 6x filtered, vodka which I've never seen in Michigan. Apparently won numerous awards, although I can't source their claims. Sorry Jandy.

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  • Jandy said...

    Got it, you don't believe sourced articles. You believe that the media conspires together to make up stories about a team getting passed on for a bowl game.

    How do you know this? Because another bowl passed on that very same team. OMG!

    Nebraska wasn't an attractive option, it was widely talked about. And I did give you a perfectly good explanation above; it wasn't that Northwestern was particularly attractive, it's that Nebraska was unattractive. They had gone there the year before. They just got blown out and fan support was low after a fairly disappointing season. It's not as absurd as you are trying to make it out to be.

    These writers that you claim are making things up, do you have evidence that they have in the past? Why would a completely unrelated writer also make up the very same story? Is there a single shred of evidence, other than the thoughts in your brain, that Northwestern wasn't the first option of the Capital One bowl committee?

    Who are these Cap One "sources"? I have yet to see a single name. And where did any of them say that the majority vote was for NW rather than a minority? FWIW I also find it very interesting the article cited above has an entire paragraph explaining why A&M was wanted over UGA but it doesn't include a single sentence attempting to explain why anyone would want NW over UNL. Why not? What are the reasons and why leave them out of the story if they are so compelling? Surely these great reporters asked why NW was wanted over the B10 runner-up, which had a better record than NW and had beaten NW head to head.

    And it doesn't require a conspiracy for three NW grads to come to the same wrong conclusion regarding their alma mater not being invited to a bowl game. It merely requires group think. If you want to know what group think is, venture over to Bucknuts. Or RCMB for that matter.

    The Capital One Bowl picked Nebraska because that is the team they wanted. Period.

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  • Due51 said...

    I'm almost home from my 2 day trip to Indiana, if anyone cares. Brought home a bottle of Tito's pot distiller, 6x filtered, vodka which I've never seen in Michigan. Apparently won numerous awards, although I can't source their claims. Sorry Jandy.

    No worries, I've heard good things as well.

    Have you ever tried either of the Plum Markets?

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Who are these Cap One "sources"? I have yet to see a single name. And where did any of them say that the majority vote was for NW rather than a minority? FWIW I also find it very interesting the article cited above has an entire paragraph explaining why A&M was wanted over UGA it doesn't include a single sentence attempting to explain why anyone would want NW over UGA. Why not? What are the reasons and why leave them out if they are so compelling?

    And it doesn't require a conspiracy for three NW grads to come to the same wrong conclusion regarding their alma mater not being invited to a bowl game. It merely requires group think. If you want to know what group think is, venture over to Bucknuts. Or RCMB for that matter.

    The Capital One Bowl picked Nebraska because that is the team they wanted. Period.

    Finally! You've brought up good points. I knew you had it in you.

    I don't know why the article doesn't specifically discuss Northwestern, it is a bit odd.

    I still don't think that Bianchi makes this story up completely. Exaggerates it? Perhaps. But not out of thin air IMO.

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