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SpartanRocky said...
Been saying that since last year. I know everyone wanted Mannie, but 6 seasons in you can't roll out even one upper-half OL?
No complaints about the back-7/skill player physical development. OL/DL don't seem to get any stronger as time goes on. Just anecdotal evidence/eye test stuff.
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DWags said...
Dantonio has to take note of the undeveloped linemen we seem to have because he does seem to be developing other guys at position. Hopefully he makes some corrections. Granted the injury bug hit, but perhaps that has something to do with S&C too.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
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Seems like a lot of the leg injuries are lower leg injuries and the fractures have been shin/ankles. Pure speculation here, but MSU runs a lot of stretch plays, and it seems that that play lends itself to having a 300 pounder fall on you from behind, i.e., onto the lower half of your body, in practice.
The other thought is with all the leg injuries, the OL are missing time in the weight room. Not being able to strength train for 3 months sets you back quite a bit, because you have to build up to where you were before you got injured, and in that time you're not gaining strength over what you had before you were injured.
For instance, Gholston had shoulder surgery after his true FR year. It took him 6 months from the date of the surgery to get back to his bench press #s (by way of example; I know bench isn't the be-all/end all of weight training) before the surgery. How much stronger would he have been his Soph year if he wasn't injured?
Now, apply that across the MSU OL, and you have Fonoti, Treadwell, Burkland and Jackson who all have missed significant weight training time heading into '13. Kind of hard to build a punishing OL when 4 out of your top 5 OL are behind the curve in the weight room.
Again, this is just what I've observed and I'm just speculating since it's the offseason and all.
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SpartanRocky said...
Seems like a lot of the leg injuries are lower leg injuries and the fractures have been shin/ankles. Pure speculation here, but MSU runs a lot of stretch plays, and it seems that that play lends itself to having a 300 pounder fall on you from behind, i.e., onto the lower half of your body, in practice.
The other thought is with all the leg injuries, the OL are missing time in the weight room. Not being able to strength train for 3 months sets you back quite a bit, because you have to build up to where you were before you got injured, and in that time you're not gaining strength over what you had before you were injured.
For instance, Gholston had shoulder surgery after his true FR year. It took him 6 months from the date of the surgery to get back to his bench press #s (by way of example; I know bench isn't the be-all/end all of weight training) before the surgery. How much stronger would he have been his Soph year if he wasn't injured?
Now, apply that across the MSU OL, and you have Fonoti, Treadwell, Burkland and Jackson who all have missed significant weight training time heading into '13. Kind of hard to build a punishing OL when 4 out of your top 5 OL are behind the curve in the weight room.
Again, this is just what I've observed and I'm just speculating since it's the offseason and all.
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SpartanRocky said...
ha, thanks. That was pretty hilarious, though I thought MSU would be able to use Sims more.
Passing O regressed, even against what I would say was a very good secondary and tough scheme. 50% passing would have been o.k., 55% or better would have been a sign of improvement. To be held to something like 2 yards a pass attempt? That's unfathomably bad.
Maxwell seems like a very nice kid, but he's not a QB at this level. I'd expect a pretty interesting competition this spring.
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ha, thanks. That was pretty hilarious, though I thought MSU would be able to use Sims more.
Passing O regressed, even against what I would say was a very good secondary and tough scheme. 50% passing would have been o.k., 55% or better would have been a sign of improvement. To be held to something like 2 yards a pass attempt? That's unfathomably bad.
Maxwell seems like a very nice kid, but he's not a QB at this level. I'd expect a pretty interesting competition this spring.
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I'm more and more convinced he doesn't have "it". He has unbelievable tools. Jaw dropping in practice, but he's just not passionate enough. Classic case of bright light fright I believe, but damn he has the basics. He might be a real security blanket for us next year on the sidelines. Put the youngsters in and let em fly knowing if they get rattled we have a guy who can come in and chill everybody out for a couple series. Kind of like ND lite.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
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I'm so tired of Michigan State fans and all their Denard bashing. Yes, Denard didn't win that many games while he as was at Michigan. That's not the reason he's adored by our fans. He's adored because he is the reason we won even the games we did. He was the one bright spot in the most miserable era of Michigan football ever. He gave us a reason to get excited about our games. He was the most electrifying player we'll ever see wear a Michigan uniform. It blows my mind that people can't seem to wrap their head around this. In every game, against every team, the entire focus on defense was stopping Denard. Despite this simple fact, he broke the all-time rushing record for a quarterback. Imagine where Michigan would have been without him.
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I'm so tired of Michigan State fans and all their Denard bashing. Yes, Denard didn't win that many games while he as was at Michigan. That's not the reason he's adored by our fans. He's adored because he is the reason we won even the games we did. He was the one bright spot in the most miserable era of Michigan football ever. He gave us a reason to get excited about our games. He was the most electrifying player we'll ever see wear a Michigan uniform. It blows my mind that people can't seem to wrap their head around this. In every game, against every team, the entire focus on defense was stopping Denard. Despite this simple fact, he broke the all-time rushing record for a quarterback. Imagine where Michigan would have been without him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=d2xuk-t6iFA
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