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How many years have they each been in college. Hey, look, I'm the first one who is happy Michigan takes these chances on kids who can't get into college right away after high school. We know it's all paper and sand at Michigan and not this academic institution they want it to be. The kid has been then a year, he needed a bit of help getting in. I'm all for that. Good for Michigan.
Johnny has been in college two years now.
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Put the bong down. Oh, and could you do that research for me. Since Izzo has been the head coach at MSU how many Conference titles, BTT titles, Final Fours and NC have each school, Indiana and Michigan State won. Hell, how many coaches has Indiana been through since Izzo has been at MSU. Hell, I'll give you the field. Since Izzo has been at MSU how many final fours has every school in the leage been to compared to Izzo? How many NC's have they won? Hell, lets go total Big ten titles. I'll compare izzo's numbers to the field.
Then ignore that fact and say we're not the premier program, because everyone in America will laugh at you. Like I said, I used to think you knew basketball, not so much now. Don't do this when you're high.
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This is not about which program has won more "since Izzo has been at MSU". It's about entire program history. You want someone to pat you on the back and say you've been more successful over the past dozen years or so? Ok, fine, congrats. You win the decade. It doesn't erase IU's history. Just like it doesn't erase Carolina's or Kentucky's histories.
IU has more wins. IU has more B10 titles. IU has more NCAA appearances. IU has more NCAA wins. IU has five national titles to your two. IU is a blue blood basketball school located in a blue blood basketball state. You are not. Are you starting to get the difference yet?
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Silly silly man. If Izzo was coaching in 1923, he'd have been kicking everyones ass then also. But he wasn't. So what can he or anyone do? Win. Win consistently. So, even if you have a down year once in a while you are still considered program of the decade. Then you go to work on the next one. After that your program is not only mentioned as a top program in the country but you get invited to step out with the "blue bloods" at events.
It's done for people EXACTLY LIKE YOU WHO IN TWO POSTS UP SAY YOU DON'T REMEMBER OR KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE 80's and beyond. ( that was you I believe )
back track out of that now.
Face it in your short memory of college basketball (your words not mine). Izzo and MSU have DOMINATED the league and tournament. You'll excuse me if I think you're only moving the target for your convenience. It's pathetic but true.
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That's not what I wrote. In fact, I wrote exactly the opposite. But MSU fans seem to be making two mistakes. One is to assume Beilein just got lucky with a recruiting class and next year everything will return to normal and UM will be struggling to make the NIT. The second is to think that Izzo elevated MSU's program to the level of a Duke or Kentucky or Carolina and in fact made it the premier program in the B10. Neither is anywhere close to being true.
Izzo has done a very good job at MSU, but so have Boeheim (sp?), Calhoun, Pitino, Donovan, etc, etc at their respective programs. How many NCs have Carolina and Duke and Kentucky won just during the Izzo era alone? And how many has Izzo won? Roy Williams has more. Calhoun has more. Donovan has more. And I hope I don't even need to mention Coach K.
Izzo is a HOF coach. He won a natty. He has elevated MSU's basketball program, but lets not oversell it. And the road ahead for Izzo and MSU will now be tougher with IU, OSU, and UM all competing at their historically high levels.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
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Redshirt kid qualifies for college. Prep school kid doesn't and hopes for mercy by a college whose standards aren't that high for athletes, and are willing to take a chance if he goes to a diploma mill and the teachers there know what needs to be done.
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So, what was the kid playing for Michigan reason for enrolling in prep school? He wasn't good enough? Or grades?
I honestly have no clue
According to Wikipedia (which, you know) his parents transferred him to Brewster Academy to repeat the 11th grade because his parents thought "the discipline would be good for him." It also states that he has ADHD.
EDIT: I'd be willing to bet Copemoney or some other hater will correct me if I'm wrong. Hell, they might even if I'm not.
This post was edited by Due51 on 1/7/2013 at 10:38 AM
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Silly silly man. If Izzo was coaching in 1923, he'd have been kicking everyones ass then also. But he wasn't. So what can he or anyone do? Win. Win consistently. So, even if you have a down year once in a while you are still considered program of the decade. Then you go to work on the next one. After that your program is not only mentioned as a top program in the country but you get invited to step out with the "blue bloods" at events.
It's done for people EXACTLY LIKE YOU WHO IN TWO POSTS UP SAY YOU DON'T REMEMBER OR KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE 80's and beyond. ( that was you I believe )
back track out of that now.
Face it in your short memory of college basketball (your words not mine). Izzo and MSU have DOMINATED the league and tournament. You'll excuse me if I think you're only moving the target for your convenience. It's pathetic but true.
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Umm.. that's what you said...
"But MSU fans seem to be making two mistakes. The second is to think that Izzo elevated MSU's program...and in fact made it the premier program in the B10. Neither is anywhere close to being true."
Which basically says that during the Izzo era, you don't think MSU is the premiere program of the B1G.
So which B1G is/was better in the B1G since Izzo took over??
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I made no comment about "during the Izzo era". That would be a relatively weak comment anyway because it would suggest that as soon as Izzo is gone the program would slip back. And as I said to Rocky, I have not said that either. My comment was that Izzo has elevated MSU's program overall, i.e. it's "all-time" status. And I think he has, just like Calhoun has done at UConn, Boeheim has done at Syracuse and Donovan has done at UF. But none of those coaches have elevated their programs to the level of Kentucky or Carolina or UCLA. Or Indiana for that matter. Those programs, along with Kansas and Duke, remain the elite of the elite in college basketball.
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I made no comment about "during the Izzo era". That would be a relatively weak comment anyway because it would suggest that as soon as Izzo is gone the program would slip back. And as I said to Rocky, I have not said that either. My comment was that Izzo has elevated MSU's program overall, i.e. it's "all-time" status. And I think he has, just like Calhoun has done at UConn, Boeheim has done at Syracuse and Donovan has done at UF. But none of those coaches have elevated their programs to the level of Kentucky or Carolina or UCLA. Or Indiana for that matter. Those programs, along with Kansas and Duke, remain the elite of the elite in college basketball.
So you said you made no comment about "During the Izzo era" yet you stated "The second is to think that Izzo elevated MSU's program to the level of a Duke or Kentucky or Carolina and in fact made it the premier program in the B10. Neither is anywhere close to being true. "
I'm sorry- but how is that not about the Izzo era? You specifically said that MSU fans think that "IZZO elevated MSU's program and made it the premier program in the B10."
But you weren't talking specifically about the Izzo era even though you called out the Izzo era??? Holy crap, you're denser than I thought
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