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MrWoodson said...
Hey, just saw your score against BSU last night. Wtf? I know Izzo's slowing down, but struggling with BSU in the Bres? I honestly didn't even know they had a basketball team. FWIW Illinois looked good again last night. This year is looking more and more like the late 80s. Indiana. Michigan. Iowa. Illinois. It's deja vu all over again.
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D.Wags said...
Well evidently we have some kind of secret weapon freshman, who, when healthy will bring us back to the final four. He's hurt now, so we're all gnashing our teeth a bit, but if it's only a sprain, we'll be light on our feet again in anticipation of another long run into the tournament. It's up to this freshman to keep all of our hopes and dreams alive though. I hope that SOB gets healthy so I can properly live vicariously through his exploits.
As far as back to the 80's/90's goes. You guys starting to bake cakes for your players again? Good for you.
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Jandy said...
The points you two are trying to make are unrelated.
1. Obviously players are going to have to adapt, and refrain from clearing rebounds with their elbows, I don't think Steve is arguing that.
2. The rule is designed to prevent contact to players' head with the elbow, yet it does create an incentive for players to find a way to have their head make contact with an elbow from the other team. It effectively will cause at least as much head-elbow contact as it prevents.
3. It is textbook basketball to use your body to clear a rebound. Swinging elbows is not what is being discussed. However, when you gather a rebound, 99% of coaches will tell you to firmly grasp the ball with both palms, with your forearms extended out, and rotate at the waist back and forth until you have room to breath. Because the player is moving within their own space, this was thought to be appropriate. Now, however, it greatly reduces a player's ability to do this, especially when being guarded by shorter players.
I think this rule is fine, as long as they start calling the contact fouls on the defense. Currently, those generally aren't called right after a rebound is gathered, and it puts the player controlling the ball in a very bad position.
4. It should be noted that the player who Nix "elbowed" was actually whistled for a foul right before Nix "elbowed" him. The refs then reviewed the replay and elected to give Nix the flagrant 1 call, and negate the foul that happened before it (wrong application of the rule). Izzo recognized it was wrong, and walked away angrily, unemphatically (aka - with minimal arm movement, no body motion) slammed his clipboard on his chair. The refs were apparently upset by that and T'd him up (completely ridiculous). That gave them 4 foul shots and the ball when we were actually supposed to be looking at shots ourselves. When they inbounded the ball, we were immediately whistled for a terribly ticky-tack foul giving them 2 more shots.
While I think it's unfortunate that this rule will be occasionally misapplied and have several side effects that won't be addressed until next year (including punishing rebounders and rewarding floppers, aka, MSU v. WIS), I don't think MSU fans would be quite as worried about it if it hadn't been so grossly misapplied.
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MrWoodson said...
Wow. Didn't know harris got hurt. Hope it's not serious. But still ... it's BSU. You should be able to beat BSU at home with half your starters on the bench. I've been looking forward to our games against you guys this year. Don't ruin it for me. At least try to make a respectable showing.
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msucan'tmakebcs said...
That's no excuse. A championship team is supposed to have depth to where one player doesn't mean much like when Michigan lost Trey Burke and Spike Albrecht stepped in and led Michign to a blowout win.
This post was edited by steveschneider on 11/21/2012 at 10:00 AM
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steveschneider said...
Tell me one team in basketball that has won a championship when their star player has been injured and off the floor?
N. Carolina's team was a shoe in to win it all last year until injuries.
You look at Cincy losing Kenyon Martin in 99 it cost them a trip to the Final 4.
Same for NBA, you look at the Heat when Chris Bosh was out the series against the lowly Pacers was close and they were on the brink of elimination against the aged Celtics. People were calling out Lebron saying he didn't have the championship mentality.
When Bosh returned suddenly the Heat looked like a dynasty and people were wondering how many championships they would win.
Football is different, Robinson can go down and Gardner can fill in. Bledsoe goes down and Brady fills in. I would be curious to see if any bball team has had success when a star goes down. My feeling is that it probably has happened but the odds are stacked against them.
Also, re: your, example of Trey Burke speaks to one game not a season and we won last night.
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xxmgobluexx said...
You weren't playing a championship team. You were playing BSU. Appling, Dawson, Nix, Payne, Costello, Kearney... Were enough to blowout BSU at tBres.
This is a dumb argument though, every team has bad nights, MSU had one last night.
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steveschneider said...
Tell me one team in basketball that has won a championship when their star player has been injured and off the floor?
N. Carolina's team was a shoe in to win it all last year until injuries.
You look at Cincy losing Kenyon Martin in 99 it cost them a trip to the Final 4.
Same for NBA, you look at the Heat when Chris Bosh was out the series against the lowly Pacers was close and they were on the brink of elimination against the aged Celtics. People were calling out Lebron saying he didn't have the championship mentality.
When Bosh returned suddenly the Heat looked like a dynasty and people were wondering how many championships they would win.
Football is different, Robinson can go down and Gardner can fill in. Bledsoe goes down and Brady fills in. I would be curious to see if any bball team has had success when a star goes down. My feeling is that it probably has happened but the odds are stacked against them.
Also, re: your, example of Trey Burke speaks to one game not a season and we won last night.
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MrWoodson said...
To be fair, they didn't look all that great against a subpar UConn team and that was before they lost Harris. Maybe we should cut them some slack on the near loss at home to BSU. Like their football team this year, maybe their basketball team is just not very good.

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To be fair, they didn't look all that great against a subpar UConn team and that was before they lost Harris. Maybe we should cut them some slack on the near loss at home to BSU. Like their football team this year, maybe their basketball team is just not very good.
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