Online Now 3388

The Blue Board

We aren't just committed to college football; we're early enrolling in it.

On this Board 1825
Record: 7394 (2/14/2012)

Online now 3199
Record: 18710 (2/25/2012)

Boards ▾

The Blue Board

We aren't just committed to college football; we're early enrolling in it.

247Rumors

College football scuttlebutt and scoop- powered by Football Rumor Mill

The Green Board

Where the madness isn't just in March.

Big Ten Board (Beta)

Reply

The Official Michigan, MSU, and 1 Random Guy from Arky Thread

  • Braintrust said...

    Im kinda glad J5 is gone after this year. Kinda like Edwin Baker last year, great talent but makes stupid mistakes

    IMO you guys could have really used Baker this year. Bell has taken far too many touches this year, and having Baker as a change of pace while keeping Bell fresh would have been a huge benefit to to you guys.

    signature image signature image signature image

    mriderblue12

  • mriderblue12 said...

    IMO you guys could have really used Baker this year. Bell has taken far too many touches this year, and having Baker as a change of pace while keeping Bell fresh would have been a huge benefit to to you guys.

    Baker needs holes to run through. This week and weeks 1 and 2 were the only games there were actually holes for the running game. Amazing what can happen when the OLine stays healthy. first time since week 3 that all starters practiced together all week.

    signature image signature image signature image

    Braintrust

  • Braintrust said...

    What's the word on Denard?
    I'd like to see how Gardner performs against a decent team, if he is in fact replacing Bellomy next year.

    I am not holding out hope for Denard, until I see him play.

    What is a decent team for him to be compared to, that is left on the schedule? Minnesota has one of the top passing efficiency defenses in the B1G right now.

    I felt that Michigan was going to be a 7-8 win team next year with Bellomy or Morris at QB, I feel better with Gardner at QB, even if it slighty hurts the WRs.

    xxmgobluexx

  • Braintrust said...

    What's the word on Denard?
    I'd like to see how Gardner performs against a decent team, if he is in fact replacing Bellomy next year.

    I would like to see them try to rest Denard one more week. I want him 100% for the game in Columbus. I also think another week of practice and live game action for Gardner at QB will make sure he is ready to go in Columbus, if needed. And it will force Urbie to prepare for both Denard and Devin. Denard clearly is the more dangerous runner, but Devin is the better passer.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by MrWoodson on 11/4/2012 at 9:25 AM

    MrWoodson

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    I am not holding out hope for Denard, until I see him play.

    What is a decent team for him to be compared to, that is left on the schedule? Minnesota has one of the top passing efficiency defenses in the B1G right now.

    I felt that Michigan was going to be a 7-8 win team next year with Bellomy or Morris at QB, I feel better with Gardner at QB, even if it slighty hurts the WRs.

    Bowl projections were being brought up on RCMB and the B1G would get BOMBED in these scenarios. 0 wins and all blowout losses are likely

    Rose: Wisconsin vs BCS At-Large (Oregon to the NCG, so Oklahoma? Notre Dame?)
    Capital One: Michigan vs SEC (Florida)
    Outback: Nebraska vs SEC (SEC East winner, Georgia?)
    Gator: Michigan State vs SEC (South Carolina)
    BWW Bowl: Northwestern vs B12 (Texas
    Meineke: Minnesota vs B12 (TCU or OKState)

    Gator doesn't want Northwestern, so MSU will most likely get bumped up because of that, assuming we win out. Ticket City and Pizza Bowl will be left unfilled, and if Minnesota loses to Illinois, Meineke will be left unfilled too

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Braintrust on 11/4/2012 at 10:04 AM

    signature image signature image signature image

    Braintrust

  • MrWoodson said...

    Sparty got phucked last night and not in the good way. That late PI call was garbage (B10 PI calls have been garbage all year). And that MSU pick 6 that was called back was unvelievable. How can any official make that call?

    UM got F'd too when we got f'd. We win Michigan goes to the Rosebowl.

    The reffing last night was a disgrace. I seriously have no clue how that pick 6 was called back. What went from a play of the week went to the controversy of the week.

    signature image

    steveschneider

  • Braintrust said...

    Bowl projections were being brought up on RCMB and the B1G would get BOMBED in these scenarios. 0 wins and all blowout losses are likely

    Rose: Wisconsin vs BCS At-Large (Oregon to the NCG, so Oklahoma? Notre Dame?)
    Capital One: Michigan vs SEC (Florida)
    Outback: Nebraska vs SEC (SEC East winner, Georgia?)
    Gator: Michigan State vs SEC (South Carolina)
    BWW Bowl: Northwestern vs B12 (Texas
    Meineke: Minnesota vs B12 (TCU or OKState)

    Gator doesn't want Northwestern, so MSU will most likely get bumped up because of that, assuming we win out. Ticket City and Pizza Bowl will be left unfilled, and if Minnesota loses to Illinois, Meineke will be left unfilled too

    Rose: Michigan/Nebraska v. Oregon State/Stanford ... toss up
    Capital One: Nebraska/Michigan v. LSU ... LSU
    Outback: Wisconsin v. TAMU ... TAMU
    BWW: Northwestern vs WVU ... WVU
    Gator: MSU vs South Carolina ... toss up
    Meineke Car Care: Minnesota vs Texas Tech ... toss up
    Heart of Texas: Indiana v. Oklahoma State ... Okahoma State

    MrWoodson

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Spot on Dwags.

    I realize it sounds differently when a Michigan fan says it compared to when a MSU fan says it, but don't put yourself in a position where the refs can decide the outcome. Allowing Nebraska to run for over 300 yds, having Nebraska WRs running free... Hell, some MSU fans were harping on Minnesota not blitzing when had a 3rd and forever, MSU should have done the same thing when they were in a similar position.

    As you said, MSU just isn't good enough right now. If this team takes the steps it should in the offseason, they will be challenging for the division and league title next year.

    I don't buy the argument that refs don't cost games.

    The Ohio State game and the Nebraska game are always going to leave me wondering what the outcome would have been if the refs had got it right.

    On the same hand you have to look at the games you won in the past off of a bad call. It goes both ways.

    signature image

    steveschneider

  • MrWoodson said...

    Rose: Michigan/Nebraska v. Oregon State/Stanford ... toss up Capital One: Nebraska/Michigan v. LSU ... LSU Outback: Wisconsin v. TAMU ... TAMU BWW: Northwestern vs WVU ... WVU Gator: MSU vs South Carolina ... toss up Meineke Car Care: Minnesota vs Texas Tech ... toss up Heart of Texas: Indiana v. Oklahoma State ... Okahoma State

    It wont be OSU or Stanford. If Oregon goes to the NCG, Rose bowl becomes an at-large, think TCU vs Wisconsin a couple years ago, i dont think they get another P12 team since USC has been so awful and Oregon State will lose to Oregon the last week of the season which should knock them out of the top 14.

    South Carolina will destroy MSU, Texas Tech would destroy Minny.

    Indiana will not get to a bowl game.

    signature image signature image signature image

    Braintrust

  • steveschneider said...

    UM got F'd too when we got f'd. We win Michigan goes to the Rosebowl.

    The reffing last night was a disgrace. I seriously have no clue how that pick 6 was called back. What went from a play of the week went to the controversy of the week.

    I have no problem doing something with the quality of officials in football and basketball in our league. Make them hit camps and be able to complete reasonable physical fitness challenges, grade them out and dismiss the bottom ten percent per year. If you do the very last thing I mentioned, I'm telling you officials would be more intense and sure of every call. I'd live our league to do that and then raise their pay.

    I have a huge problem with MSU people blaming officials. If we're the number one defense around, and you give me the option to have a team 4th and ten with less then a minute I take it and say if we blow it, it's in us. This "great" defense has given up game winning drives to Michigan, Nebraska, OSU (we couldn't get the ball back down by one) and Iowa we let drive down and tie it. Keep your stats, blame our offense, but know this: for being so great, our defense has not stood up when needed. Just like last year I thought our offensive line did the jib when we needed it regardless of stats, this defense hasn't been able to when needed.

    signature image signature image signature image

    DWags

  • Braintrust said...

    It wont be OSU or Stanford. If Oregon goes to the NCG, Rose bowl becomes an at-large, think TCU vs Wisconsin a couple years ago, i dont think they get another P12 team since USC has been so awful and Oregon State will lose to Oregon the last week of the season which should knock them out of the top 14.

    South Carolina will destroy MSU, Texas Tech would destroy Minny.

    Indiana will not get to a bowl game.

    Agree on IU (probably misses getting to a bowl). Disagree on Oregon State. For some reason, the media loves them. If they beat Stanford and lose to Oregon, I think they will be on the bubble for being BCS eligible. Alternatively, if Stanford beats Oregon State but loses to Oregon, they will be on the bubble. It's possible neither will be BCS eligible, but it will be close and depend on which other highly rated teams lose again from here on out (e.g. South Carolina, Louisville, USC, UGA, UF, Rutgers, Oklahoma, etc).

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 11/4/2012 at 11:14 AM

    MrWoodson

  • MrWoodson said...

    Agree on IU (probably misses getting to a bowl). Disagree on Oregon State. For some reason, the media loves them. If they beat Stanford and lose to Oregon, I think they will be on the bubble for being BCS eligible. Alternatively, if Stanford loses to Oregon but beats Oregon State, they will be on the bubble. It's possible neither will be BCS eligible, but it will be close and depend on which other highly rated teams lose again from here on out (e.g. South Carolina, Louisville, USC, UGA, UF, Rutgers, Oklahoma, etc).

    Oregon State is 12 in this weeks coaches poll, so they're pretty close to the bubble already.
    I can't see the rose bowl passing up Florida, FSU, or Notre Dame though. Rose Bowl gets first pick too btw if Oregon goes to the NCG, so they pretty much get to pick from anyone besides #1 and #2 and AQs, which would be Kansas State and winner of the ACC. I cant see them picking Oregon State with that pick, unless they want to preserve the B10 vs P12 thing, which they proved they didnt by picking TCU over Stanford in 2010.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Braintrust on 11/4/2012 at 11:21 AM

    signature image signature image signature image

    Braintrust

  • steveschneider said...

    UM got F'd too when we got f'd. We win Michigan goes to the Rosebowl.

    That's a bold stretch. Even if State pulls out the win yesterday, the only way it would have helped is if Michigan won out. And even then, that just puts us in the B1GCG against most likely Wisky.

    It's not even close to a lock that Michigan gets to the Rose Bowl with a Nebraska loss.

    signature image signature image signature image

    MSU isn't a very good football program.. takes year of consistent winning to get to that level. - copemoney 1/22/13

    Due51

  • Due51 said...

    That's a bold stretch. Even if State pulls out the win yesterday, the only way it would have helped is if Michigan won out. And even then, that just puts us in the B1GCG against most likely Wisky.

    It's not even close to a lock that Michigan gets to the Rose Bowl with a Nebraska loss.

    Lets be honest, you'd kill a Wisconsin team thats starting Danny O'brien.

    signature image signature image signature image

    Braintrust

  • Braintrust said...

    Oregon State is 12 in this weeks coaches poll, so they're pretty close to the bubble already.
    I can't see the rose bowl passing up Florida, FSU, or Notre Dame though. Rose Bowl gets first pick too btw if Oregon goes to the NCG, so they pretty much get to pick from anyone besides #1 and #2. I cant see them picking Oregon State with that pick, unless they want to preserve the B10 vs P12 thing, which they proved they didnt by picking TCU over Stanford in 2010.

    The Rose Bowl almost certainly will not have UF as an option because of the "two team per conference" restriction (Alabama to BCSCG and its replacement to Sugar). Similarly, if FSU wins the ACC, the Rose Bowl cannot select them because they will be locked into the Orange Bowl. I agree on ND, assuming Oregon goes to BCSCG and no other P12 teams are BCS eligible, but I believe it's very possible one of Stanford or Oregon State might squeak into the top 14. We will have to wait and see on that. Also, if Oklahoma wins out they will be on everyone's short list for a BCS at large.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MrWoodson on 11/4/2012 at 11:37 AM

    MrWoodson

  • Braintrust said...

    Lets be honest, you'd kill a Wisconsin team thats starting Danny O'brien.

    A Nebraska loss means Michigan controls their own destiny, but that destiny doesn't mean it is a lock. Michigan still has to get past NW, and an Iowa team they have lost 3 straight to. Then there would be winning in Columbus against an undefeated tOSU team that will be playing their bowl game. Follow that up with the B1G Championship game. Michigan has a lot of hurdles left in front of them.

    xxmgobluexx

  • MrWoodson said...

    The Rose Bowl almost certainly will not have UF has an option because of the "two team per conference" restriction (Alabama to BCSCG and its replacement to Sugar). Similarly, if FSU wins the ACC, the Rose Bowl cannot select them because they will be locked into the Orange Bowl. I agree on ND, assuming Oregon goes to BCSCG and no other P12 teams are BCS eligible, but I believe it's very possible one of Stanford or Oregon State might squeak into the top 14. We will have to wait and see on that. Also, if Oklahoma wins out they will be on everyone's short list for a BCS at large.

    I think Nebraska/Wisconsin would get blown out by anyone other than Oregon State (not sold on them, at all) or Stanford which would be tossups. If Michigan gets to the rosebowl, i think they beat OSU or ND, with a tossup with Stanford and whoever else gets picked (except an SEC team)

    signature image signature image signature image

    Braintrust

  • Braintrust said...

    Bowl projections were being brought up on RCMB and the B1G would get BOMBED in these scenarios. 0 wins and all blowout losses are likely

    Rose: Wisconsin vs BCS At-Large (Oregon to the NCG, so Oklahoma? Notre Dame?)
    Capital One: Michigan vs SEC (Florida)
    Outback: Nebraska vs SEC (SEC East winner, Georgia?)
    Gator: Michigan State vs SEC (South Carolina)
    BWW Bowl: Northwestern vs B12 (Texas
    Meineke: Minnesota vs B12 (TCU or OKState)

    Gator doesn't want Northwestern, so MSU will most likely get bumped up because of that, assuming we win out. Ticket City and Pizza Bowl will be left unfilled, and if Minnesota loses to Illinois, Meineke will be left unfilled too

    How does your response answer my question in any way, shape, or form?

    You asked about Denard, I answered what I knew. You commented on Gardner and competition, I responded, and you return with bowl projections. confused

    xxmgobluexx

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    How does your response answer my question in any way, shape, or form?

    You asked about Denard, I answered what I knew. You commented on Gardner and competition, I responded, and you return with bowl projections. confused

    Didn't even realized i quoted you, didn't meant to lol

    signature image signature image signature image

    Braintrust

  • Braintrust said...

    Didn't even realized i quoted you, didn't meant to lol

    Gotcha, I do that quite often also without even thinking about it.

    Edit: The question still stands for Gardner.

    This post was edited by xxmgobluexx on 11/4/2012 at 11:43 AM

    xxmgobluexx

  • Due51 said...

    That's a bold stretch. Even if State pulls out the win yesterday, the only way it would have helped is if Michigan won out. And even then, that just puts us in the B1GCG against most likely Wisky.

    It's not even close to a lock that Michigan gets to the Rose Bowl with a Nebraska loss.

    Michigan, with Denard is better then Wisconsin. Sure Wisconsin could win, but they wouldn't be favored.

    signature image signature image signature image

    DWags

  • Braintrust said...

    I think Nebraska/Wisconsin would get blown out by anyone other than Oregon State (not sold on them, at all) or Stanford which would be tossups. If Michigan gets to the rosebowl, i think they beat OSU or ND, with a tossup with Stanford and whoever else gets picked (except an SEC team)

    An SEC team will NOT play in the Rose Bowl unless Bama loses and the SEC is shut out of the BCSCG. If Bama reaches the BCSCG, the Sugar Bowl will select UGA//UF/LSU as its replacement. No more than two teams from any conference can be selected to BCS bowls.

    Rose Bowl = B10 Champ v. Oregon/Stanford/Oregon State/ND/Oklahoma/Clemson

    MrWoodson

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Gotcha, I do that quite often also without even thinking about it.

    Edit: The question still stands for Gardner.

    I dont think Minny has the pure athletes to keep up with Gardner
    We probably wont see him for OSU, so i'd still like to see how he does against Northwestern who can limit him on his feet with a better Rushing D. Just my opinion. Not saying he wont do good, just wanna see what he can do

    signature image signature image signature image

    Braintrust

  • MrWoodson said...

    An SEC team will NOT play in the Rose Bowl unless Bama loses and the SEC is shut out of the BCSCG. If Bama reaches the BCSCG, the Sugar Bowl will select UGA//UF/LSU as its replacement. No more than two teams from any conference can be selected to BCS bowls.

    Rose Bowl = B10 Champ v. Oregon/Stanford/Oregon State/ND/Oklahoma/Clemson

    Sugar Bowl could take ND. I see ND finishing 3rd, so i think its entirely possible, maybe even probable that the sugar bowl takes ND over UGA or UF. #3 team in the country, huge fanbase, etc.

    This post was edited by Braintrust on 11/4/2012 at 11:50 AM

    signature image signature image signature image

    Braintrust

  • steveschneider said...

    I don't buy the argument that refs don't cost games.

    The Ohio State game and the Nebraska game are always going to leave me wondering what the outcome would have been if the refs had got it right.

    On the same hand you have to look at the games you won in the past off of a bad call. It goes both ways.

    The refs can cost the game, see GB vs Seattle this year. I wasn't saying they can't. I was saying, don't let that happen. There are plenty of plays throughout the game that if they went one way or the other, change the outcome of the game. Control what parts you can control, and then you won't have to worry about the refs controlling the part that they control.

    xxmgobluexx