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  • steveschneider said...

    The east coast is just loaded with lottery pick level NBA talent. IMO it's either going to be Syracuse or UConn pulling them in.

    There is enough talent for both. Just a matter of keeping that talent from going elsewhere.

    xxmgobluexx

  • steveschneider said...

    The east coast is just loaded with lottery pick level NBA talent. IMO it's either going to be Syracuse or UConn pulling them in.

    Isn't Cuse moving to the ACC? Although I'm not sure how much longer Boeheim will coach for. I would think Cuse would attract more talent, being in a better conference.

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  • InTenSity said...

    Isn't Cuse moving to the ACC? Although I'm not sure how much longer Boeheim will coach for. I would think Cuse would attract more talent, being in a better conference.

    Read a few Connecticut papers they mentnioned the Big East was set up to be Hoops power conference, but now some of those schools are leaving to join better football conferences. It's unclear what effect that will have on the schools that left and the ones that remain. Maybe someone that is more up on all of the conference realignments can weigh in.

    I don't know anything about UConns academics but they said that they also raised the standards so its uncertain what effect that will have on the hoops program. That remark seemed odd to me, and it was a local Conn paper so maybe it was just some Drew Sharp level hack from that state.

    Article I read though said the recruits still love the new UConn coach and it looks like he's pulling them in.

    This post was edited by steveschneider on 11/9/2012 at 11:23 AM

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  • MrWoodson said...

    It's been bubbling under the surface for awhile and finally boiled over. I think we all understand guys like Helwagen and Kurelic have a job to do (a job that requires them to spoonfeed the Nuts with biased and rosy info favorable to Ohio), but it's insulting when they start taking that same crap and repackaging it as if it is an unbiased view of the B10 or CFB in general. Some writers on 247 seem to be able to put their biases and "other jobs" aside when necessary and give straightforward info that is useful to all of us. Steve Wiltfong does that. I believe he's a ND guy but when he writes for the site as a whole you would barely know it. Todd Worly is an Iowa guy but he is also now a staff writer on the Michigan board and you never hear a single complaint. He does a fantastic job. Helwagen and Kurelic don't even try to do that. So increasingly they get mocked. Sorry, but if they want people to take them seriously and view their work as unbiased, then they have to begin acting seriously and putting out an unbiased product. People are not idiots. People are simply judging them on the quality (or lack thereof) of their work. No more and no less.

    Yea, Northwestern has consistently put up 21-28 points in Big 10 play; exception was 44 against IU, which has a horrific D (gave up 31 to MSU).

    They do have a very good rushing O and their defense isn't bad. I still have a hard time seeing them scoring 35 on UM straight up; it would take a defensive/special teams TD to make that happen. They do average 21 yards/punt return confused, which is kind of crazy considering they're just over 15 yards/kickreturn lol.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Jay Bilas breaks down the two teams.

    Pretty much on track with my thoughts yesterday regarding the leadership of this team. I still don't understand having Byrd as a captain. You need a captain who you can run the play through, and knows everyones assignments on the floor. Green was perfect, he was vocal and he was the face of the program. He knew how to direct the team while on the floor.

    I think this year Appling needs to step it up big time and learn how to lead this team. Nix is a great player, but I see him as more of a bruiser under the basket than a team leader.

    edit: ytf is there a pic of Tom Crean being interviewd for this article?

    This post was edited by steveschneider on 11/9/2012 at 11:51 AM

    ESPN's Jay Bilas breaks down Michigan State vs. UConn matchup | Michigan State Spartans | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

    ESPN analyst Jay Bilas is here to call tonight�s season opener between No. 14 Michigan State and Connecticut in Hangar 5, and he spoke with the Free Press about the matchup and the Armed Forces Classic.

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    Yea, Northwestern has consistently put up 21-28 points in Big 10 play; exception was 44 against IU, which has a horrific D (gave up 31 to MSU).

    They do have a very good rushing O and their defense isn't bad. I still have a hard time seeing them scoring 35 on UM straight up; it would take a defensive/special teams TD to make that happen. They do average 21 yards/punt return confused, which is kind of crazy considering they're just over 15 yards/kickreturn lol.

    Exactly. We have a very good defense. We have held just about everyone we've played this year below their season averages for yards and points. That includes road games and losses. Yet Helwagen predicts we will struggle against NW defensively at home and pull out a close W in a shootout. Does he even watch CFB? He didn't even seem to know that Denard is injured and unlikely to play. In the words of rcmb, "what a moran".

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MrWoodson on 11/9/2012 at 12:02 PM

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  • steveschneider said...

    Jay Bilas breaks down the two teams.

    Pretty much on track with my thoughts yesterday regarding the leadership of this team. I still don't understand having Byrd as a captain. You need a captain who you can run the play through, and knows everyones assignments on the floor. Green was perfect, he was vocal and he was the face of the program. He knew how to direct the team while on the floor.

    I think this year Appling needs to step it up big time and learn how to lead this team. Nix is a great player, but I see him as more of a bruiser under the basket than a team leader.

    edit: ytf is there a pic of Tom Crean being interviewd for this article?

    Captains/leaders can't be made, imo. They are born that way, it is a natural trait. You don't have to be the most gifted player on a team to be the leader. It can help though.

    xxmgobluexx

  • MrWoodson said...

    It's been bubbling under the surface for awhile and finally boiled over. I think we all understand guys like Helwagen and Kurelic have a job to do (a job that requires them to spoonfeed the Nuts with biased and rosy info favorable to Ohio), but it's insulting when they start taking that same crap and repackaging it as if it is an unbiased view of the B10 or CFB in general. Some writers on 247 seem to be able to put their biases and "other jobs" aside when necessary and give straightforward info that is useful to all of us. Steve Wiltfong does that. I believe he's a ND guy but when he writes for the site as a whole you would barely know it. Todd Worly is an Iowa guy but he is also now a staff writer on the Michigan board and you never hear a single complaint. He does a fantastic job. Helwagen and Kurelic don't even try to do that. So increasingly they get mocked. Sorry, but if they want people to take them seriously and view their work as unbiased, then they have to begin acting seriously and putting out an unbiased product. People are not idiots. People are simply judging them on the quality (or lack thereof) of their work. No more and no less.

    He's actually banned on tRCMB. Is he still using schticks to ask himself questions?

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  • Wassup everybody? Been a while since I checked in. Been insanely busy and exhausted since starting new job in October, especially the last few weeks when we started climbing 40-90 ft poles (DTE apprentice linemen). Hope all is well with everyone

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  • Rocket_Play said...

    He's actually banned on tRCMB. Is he still using schticks to ask himself questions?

    Ha. I totally forgot about the fake question thing you guys uncovered. That was classic. Idk if he still does it. I guess he's kind of like the Lane Kiffin of 247 writers.

    MrWoodson

  • MrWoodson said...

    Exactly. We have a very good defense. We have held just about everyone we've played this year below their season averages for yards and points. That includes road games and losses. Yet Helwagen predicts we will struggle against NW defensively at home and pull out a close W in a shootout. Does he even watch CFB? He didn't even seem to know that Denard is injured and unlikely to play. In the words of rcmb, "what a moran".

    I guess I could see a scenario where Northwestern comes out fresh after the Bye while UM is playing their 6th straight game and gets out to an early lead . . . . but not 35 points. Northwestern would have to routinely flummox UM's front with misdirection, something UM handled very very well vs. Nebraska. Remember, this isn't Northwestern from the past 10 years or so; it's very much a run-based team. UM has steadily been improving against the run this year. Maybe Mark breaks a 25 yarder or two, but a 75 or 80 yarder? Highly unlikely.

    Suppose anything is possible, but I think Northwestern scores between 17-24 at most. UM probably scores 24-34.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    I guess I could see a scenario where Northwestern comes out fresh after the Bye while UM is playing their 6th straight game and gets out to an early lead . . . . but not 35 points. Northwestern would have to routinely flummox UM's front with misdirection, something UM handled very very well vs. Nebraska. Remember, this isn't Northwestern from the past 10 years or so; it's very much a run-based team. UM has steadily been improving against the run this year. Maybe Mark breaks a 25 yarder or two, but a 75 or 80 yarder? Highly unlikely.

    Suppose anything is possible, but I think Northwestern scores between 17-24 at most. UM probably scores 24-34.

    The question isn't what's theoretically possible. The question is what is a reasonable prediction. He predicted UM over NW 40-35 in a shootout. What would you think if he were to predict MSU over NW 40-35 next weekend? It's la la land stuff. I would be willing to bet my house it doesn't happen. Nebraska struggled to put up 23 against us in Lincoln at night with Russell "3 picks and 3 completions" Bellomy at QB. UM over NW 40-35 in Ann Arbor this weekend is an epically dumb prediction.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    The question isn't what's theoretically possible. The question is what is a reasonable prediction. He predicted UM over NW 40-35 in a shootout. What would you think if he were to predict MSU over NW 40-35 next weekend? It's la la land stuff. I would be willing to bet my house it doesn't happen. Nebraska struggled to put up 23 against us in Lincoln at night with Russell "3 picks and 3 completions" Bellomy at QB. UM over NW 40-35 in Ann Arbor this weekend is an epically dumb prediction.

    What's wrong with predicting UofM over NW by 5 points?

    Are we betting the over on this? Or are we saying what a team will win by?

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  • Rocket_Play said...

    He's actually banned on tRCMB. Is he still using schticks to ask himself questions?

    He's a dick. Yep. However, the spread he picked is 5. He's obviously going for the over too. :P

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  • D.Wags said...

    What's wrong with predicting UofM over NW by 5 points?

    Are we betting the over on this? Or are we saying what a team will win by?

    Steve? Is that you?

    MrWoodson

  • MrWoodson said...

    The question isn't what's theoretically possible. The question is what is a reasonable prediction. He predicted UM over NW 40-35 in a shootout. What would you think if he were to predict MSU over NW 40-35 next weekend? It's la la land stuff. I would be willing to bet my house it doesn't happen. Nebraska struggled to put up 23 against us in Lincoln at night with Russell "3 picks and 3 completions" Bellomy at QB. UM over NW 40-35 in Ann Arbor this weekend is an epically dumb prediction.

    We're in agreement here; my post was that though it's theoretically possible for his prediction to be true, it's really not reasonable. Gun to my head, I think UM wins 31-20

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • D.Wags said...

    What's wrong with predicting UofM over NW by 5 points?

    Are we betting the over on this? Or are we saying what a team will win by?

    I think 5 is too small. I think UM wins by more than 7.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    I think 5 is too small. I think UM wins by more than 7.

    Wait that's what got everyone so t'd off?

    At this point its just an educated guess.

    I don't see what's wrong with guessing a 5 point win.

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  • Saw this interesting stat sheet on the RCMB and thought I'd post it over here.

    Many have hoped for Byrd to step it up in his shooting, but it seems like the real key for success this year on the Spartans team is through Appling.

    His Frosh year he shot over 40% behind the 3pt line and last year he just 25%

    I think the type of year this team has depends on the progress he makes as a shooter and a leader. I think he needs to be the one to lead the team on the floor, to find his shot and to make things happen in clutch moments of the game.

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  • steveschneider said...

    Wait that's what got everyone so t'd off?

    At this point its just an educated guess.

    I don't see what's wrong with guessing a 5 point win.

    I don't think most people are pissed. We are laughing at the bucknut homer saying NW will put up 35 on Michigan.

    xxmgobluexx

  • SpartanRocky said...

    We're in agreement here; my post was that though it's theoretically possible for his prediction to be true, it's really not reasonable. Gun to my head, I think UM wins 31-20

    Our defense has been steady all year (well, at least since AF). Our offense OTOH has been up and down. For that reason, it's very hard to predict a final score or even who will win. But I'm confident of two things. First, NW won't get anywhere near 35 points. Second, if we put up 40, it will be a blowout win for the Maize & Blue. The only way NW wins is if this is a relatively low scoring game (i.e. the winner scores 28 points or less). And with Denard likely out and our non-Denard running game pretty anemic, it's not hard to see how that could happen. Devin had a great game against Minny last week, but it was only one game and they really didn't have any tape to work off when preparing for him. NW has had two weeks and the Minny game to look at. They should be better prepared.

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  • Last year NW put 24 points and then were completely blanked in the 2nd half.

    My guess is they fall within the 20s to 30s Saturday.

    NW is usually good for at least one big upset a year and that hasn't happened yet. That being said, I'm sticking with my pick of Michigan.

    They have the 5th ranked offense vs. Michigans 2nd ranked defense in the B10.

    I can't see Michigan losing another game until they meet the Buckeyes.

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  • steveschneider said...

    Last year NW put 24 points and then were completely blanked in the 2nd half.

    My guess is they fall within the 20s to 30s Saturday.

    NW is usually good for at least one big upset a year and that hasn't happened yet. That being said, I'm sticking with my pick of Michigan.

    They have the 5th ranked offense vs. Michigans 2nd ranked defense in the B10.

    I can't see Michigan losing another game until they meet the Buckeyes.

    I'm pretty sure NW is saving that for you guys this year.

    bike

    MrWoodson

  • MrWoodson said...

    I'm pretty sure NW is saving that for you guys this year.

    bike

    Def. a concern of mine. They rain on a parade at least once a year.

    We are pretty mediocre this year though, not sure that would be a big deal if they beat us.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    I'm pretty sure NW is saving that for you guys this year.

    bike

    Would an 8-9 W* Northwestern team beating a 6 W** MSU team qualify as an upset?

    * Assumes they'll at least beat IL

    **Assumes they'll at least beat Minny

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

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