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  • SpartanRocky said...

    What's crazy is that MSU is 8th in TOP, despite being poor at converting 3rd downs on offense. D is definitely playing up to snuff statistically.

    I can't believe that MSU is 108th in scoring O and still not the worst offensive power in the conference lol.

    A great D can make up for a mediocre O. It can't make up for a horrific O.

    MSU is pretty much 1/3 of a team this year. Great D, poor O, poor special teams. You can win quite a few games if you're good in 2 of those 3 areas. Ain't going to happen if just 1 is working.

    I fully expect State's offense to improve in the passing game next season, but there are no guarantees. There's plenty of examples of guys who did NOT improve that much from their first to second year. There are also guys who have regressed, for one reason or another.

    It'll be interesting to see who returns next season for mSu AND Michigan.

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  • It's just like the old days with Michigan having the better football team and basketball team.

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    When was UM's last great non-scandal ridden bball team? Honest question . . . Glen Rice-Era?

    When was MSU's last great non-scandal ridden football team? Honest question...Duffy Daugherty-Era?

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  • Due51 said...

    I fully expect State's offense to improve in the passing game next season, but there are no guarantees. There's plenty of examples of guys who did NOT improve that much from their first to second year. There are also guys who have regressed, for one reason or another.

    It'll be interesting to see who returns next season for mSu AND Michigan.

    Yea, right now I'd put Bell as 95% gone, Gholston at 60% and Dion Sims at 20%

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Yea, right now I'd put Bell as 95% gone, Gholston at 60% and Dion Sims at 20%

    Bell at 90%? Wow. I thought his stick fell, no?

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    I still think UM - MSU is a toss-up over the next few years, with the home team having the edge.

    PSU is going to start feeling the sanctions hard next season. They're unable to replace the guys they've lost; that should be a Q for you guys. The odd years are great ones for UM; tOSU and NEB at home.

    Dantonio going to have to prove he's not a flash in the pan going up against a Tressel less Ohio and RR led Michigan. Now that he's going up against Urban and Hoke I think 9-3 is his ceiling.

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    Yea, right now I'd put Bell as 95% gone, Gholston at 60% and Dion Sims at 20%

    Bell? Does he have the speed to play RB in the NFL?

    I can see Gholston, he has the measurables that the NFL drools over.

    Same with Sims, but the NFL may want to see more. Sims reminds me of a Pettigrew type of TE, not a Graham or Gates type.

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  • Due51 said...

    Bell at 90%? Wow. I thought his stick fell, no?

    Maybe so, but he's getting a lot of wear on the tires this season. He's not going to suddenly get faster, the biggest knock on him, so might as well try the waters after what should be a pretty darn solid year. With his pass pro and strong power running, he'd make a good 3rd down/goal line RB for some team.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Bell? Does he have the speed to play RB in the NFL?

    I can see Gholston, he has the measurables that the NFL drools over.

    Same with Sims, but the NFL may want to see more. Sims reminds me of a Pettigrew type of TE, not a Graham or Gates type.

    I don't know if he has the speed, but as I said before, he ain't getting any faster.

    Gholston may have the measurables, but the consistent production isn't there. Figure GMs will be a bit skittish about that, combined with his name.

    Sims needs to drop about 10 pounds and play the whole year healthy. He's a first 3 rounder if he can do that.

    This post was edited by SpartanRocky on 11/14/2012 at 1:07 PM

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • If sims doesn't go, he's crazy. Him and bell are top 3 rounds. Be would get the crap beat out of him next year at 30+ carries per game, sims has got injured twice. They both should go. Maybe Darquez too

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  • Thinking about MSU CBs. Did Adams help or hurt his stock returning. What would he tell Dennard about coming back next year?

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Thinking about MSU CBs. Did Adams help or hurt his stock returning. What would he tell Dennard about coming back next year?

    Adams hurt his stock, but he got a 5th or 6th round draft grade last year. Definitely had room to improve; unfortunately it didn't look like he did it.

    Dennard . . . I don't know. He'll have a crazy good game, like his 2 picks vs. UGA or vs. Nebraska. Then he'll kind of do nothing for a 4-5 game stretch.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Adams hurt his stock, but he got a 5th or 6th round draft grade last year. Definitely had room to improve; unfortunately it didn't look like he did it.

    Dennard . . . I don't know. He'll have a crazy good game, like his 2 picks vs. UGA or vs. Nebraska. Then he'll kind of do nothing for a 4-5 game stretch.

    Why does he do nothing? Is he being targeted? I would throw to Adams side before I would throw to Dennards side.

    For Michigan, Floyd is the senior, but he is also the one teams are targeting more often. Taylor has looked solid. (Makes me look forward to what the CB combo of him and Countess will look like next year.

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Why does he do nothing? Is he being targeted? I would throw to Adams side before I would throw to Dennards side.

    For Michigan, Floyd is the senior, but he is also the one teams are targeting more often. Taylor has looked solid. (Makes me look forward to what the CB combo of him and Countess will look like next year.

    Adams gave up big TDs vs. ND, EMU, tOSU and Indiana. MSU has only given up 9 passing TDs this year and he's responsible for at least 4 of them. I know Taiwan Jones blew his coverage against Wisconsin, and Mitchell White gave up the late TD against Nebraska. The other Nebraska TD was a screen pass to the RB; that's the LB's responsibility. I gotta check who got burned on the other 2 IU TDs, but I know Adams was responsible for 1.

    He's settled down some, but has been far from a lock-down guy. Dennard has been more steady, but really, opponents don't throw at the CBs that much. Lots of YAC on swing passes using slot receivers and RBs; mostly the LBs job. The TE completions are on the safeties, as are the down field slot (Dileo definitely got the better of Isaiah Lewis during the MSU - UM game).

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • D.Wags said...

    If sims doesn't go, he's crazy. Him and bell are top 3 rounds. Be would get the crap beat out of him next year at 30+ carries per game, sims has got injured twice. They both should go. Maybe Darquez too

    I agree. If your goal is to play in the NFL why put it off? Time is not on your side.

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    Adams gave up big TDs vs. ND, EMU, tOSU and Indiana. MSU has only given up 9 passing TDs this year and he's responsible for at least 4 of them. I know Taiwan Jones blew his coverage against Wisconsin, and Mitchell White gave up the late TD against Nebraska. The other Nebraska TD was a screen pass to the RB; that's the LB's responsibility. I gotta check who got burned on the other 2 IU TDs, but I know Adams was responsible for 1.

    He's settled down some, but has been far from a lock-down guy. Dennard has been more steady, but really, opponents don't throw at the CBs that much. Lots of YAC on swing passes using slot receivers and RBs; mostly the LBs job. The TE completions are on the safeties, as are the down field slot (Dileo definitely got the better of Isaiah Lewis during the MSU - UM game).

    I said it before in the other thread, I wasn't high on Adams. More bark than bite.

    Dennard is the best MSU corner, but his quit steady play was overlooked by the loud Adams.

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  • steveschneider said...

    I agree. If your goal is to play in the NFL why put it off? Time is not on your side.

    If you want an education, come back after the NFL. Johnny Adams dropped a round probably. However he can make that up at the combine. I really don't think the casual fan realizes how Adams allows narduzzi to do so many things on defense. When he makes a mistake especially if we're in one or zero it screams out. But we'll be much weaker there next year. If we lose both, the defense will cut way back next year.

    BTW: I'm not convinced that Adams isn't playing hurt. Let's see what we learn after the season.

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    I said it before in the other thread, I wasn't high on Adams. More bark than bite.

    Dennard is the best MSU corner, but his quit steady play was overlooked by the loud Adams.

    Yea, though J5 made his fair share of plays in '10 and '11.

    I remember a lot was made about MSU giving up 20 TD passes through the air last year; pretty happy that they've only given up 9 in 10 games.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • D.Wags said...

    If you want an education, come back after the NFL. Johnny Adams dropped a round probably. However he can make that up at the combine. I really don't think the casual fan realizes how Adams allows narduzzi to do so many things on defense. When he makes a mistake especially if we're in one or zero it screams out. But we'll be much weaker there next year. If we lose both, the defense will cut way back next year.

    BTW: I'm not convinced that Adams isn't playing hurt. Let's see what we learn after the season.

    Yea, I know White and Gholston have been dinged up most of the year, but that's part of college FB. Lots of guys play hurt.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Yea, though J5 made his fair share of plays in '10 and '11.

    I remember a lot was made about MSU giving up 20 TD passes through the air last year; pretty happy that they've only given up 9 in 10 games.

    Where would that number be if Adams wasn't giving up big plays. Some believe the hype, others watched and saw him for what he was.

    Who is in the pipeline for next year?

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  • steveschneider said...

    I agree. If your goal is to play in the NFL why put it off? Time is not on your side.

    It depends if they like college football or the NFL better.

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    Yea, though J5 made his fair share of plays in '10 and '11.

    I remember a lot was made about MSU giving up 20 TD passes through the air last year; pretty happy that they've only given up 9 in 10 games.

    Beyond that, the games you're at, how often did our opponent throw away from Adams? How many ones and zeros did you see. Adams is a too college corner. Does that translate to the NFL? Who knows. Narduzzi will miss him next year. I think our corners made our defense these last two years. You'll notice on the two controversial plays against Nebraska martinez was not throwing at Adams. They know. If you keep a guy on an island he's going to be exposed some, but that's a damn hard spot to play. He'll be a 4th or 5th.

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    Yea, I know White and Gholston have been dinged up most of the year, but that's part of college FB. Lots of guys play hurt.

    And they've also been down a bit.

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  • D.Wags said...

    If you want an education, come back after the NFL. Johnny Adams dropped a round probably. However he can make that up at the combine. I really don't think the casual fan realizes how Adams allows narduzzi to do so many things on defense. When he makes a mistake especially if we're in one or zero it screams out. But we'll be much weaker there next year. If we lose both, the defense will cut way back next year.

    BTW: I'm not convinced that Adams isn't playing hurt. Let's see what we learn after the season.

    One of the spots I feel comfortable for us reloading at is DB. Feel like Dantonio is pulling in the talent and is developing the talent. Took Dennard a year to develop. I remember watching him fill in while Rucker was in Jail (don't get started on the trolling). What a diff a year made for that guy.

    I feel like for years to come we'll be good at DB and LB.

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  • D.Wags said...

    Beyond that, the games you're at, how often did our opponent throw away from Adams? How many ones and zeros did you see. Adams is a too college corner. Does that translate to the NFL? Who knows. Narduzzi will miss him next year. I think our corners made our defense these last two years. You'll notice on the two controversial plays against Nebraska martinez was not throwing at Adams. They know. If you keep a guy on an island he's going to be exposed some, but that's a damn hard spot to play. He'll be a 4th or 5th.

    There's a reason MSU is 8th nationally in pass eff. D. I'm aware that Narduzzi puts a ton of pressure on his CBs, and having a pair like Dennard and Adams is a big reason for their defense's success over the last 3 seasons. The lack of those coverage guys is a huge reason why MSU's pass D was a trainwreck in 2009 too. Schemed didn't change between then and now; players got better.

    It's hard to ignore it when a CB has man coverage and gets beat. Unfortunately it happened to Adams 3-4 straight games and on some of the biggest plays in those contests.

    Any DB is going to get beat at least a couple times every game.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky