Online Now 3317

The Blue Board

We aren't just committed to college football; we're early enrolling in it.

On this Board 1783
Record: 7394 (2/14/2012)

Online now 3666
Record: 18710 (2/25/2012)

Boards ▾

The Blue Board

We aren't just committed to college football; we're early enrolling in it.

The Green Board

Where the madness isn't just in March.

Big Ten Board (Beta)

Reply

The Official Michigan, MSU Thread (CLOSED)

  • steveschneider said...

    You always leave out the coaching matchup.

    Advantage MSU

    Sorry about that. Head to head recently it is advantage Michigan. We can call it a push though to keep you from crying.

    xxmgobluexx ●

  • steveschneider said...

    You always leave out the coaching matchup.

    Advantage MSU

    I'm not as worried as I was last year to be honest. Beilein split with MSU last year and last year MSU was the better team with better players. I'm looking forward to seeing how the games turn out when Michigan has the same caliber of players (for the first time in a long time) as MSU.

    hownowbrowncow ●

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Bump

    Looks like BB is the topic today, and we are almost 1/3 of the way through the regular season. Lineups are getting rounded out, and I still like the matchup for Michigan against MSU.

    Appling PG Burke Valentine SG Stauskus Harris SF Hardaway Dawson PF Robinson Nix/Payne C Morgan/McGary/Horford

    If they matchup like this, then advantage Michigan at PG, SG, and SF. Push at PF and C.

    If the matchup is the quoted, then it stays the same at the quoted. Appling and Burke will be matched up head to head in the game though.

    I always thought Harris was the SG and Valentine the SF. I'd put Harris as better than Stauskus, though not by muhc.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    I always thought Harris was the SG and Valentine the SF. I'd put Harris as better than Stauskus, though not by muhc.

    I think that Harris is a more complete player right now, but in terms of production they are very similar. Stauskas's role on Michigan is to put up 10-15 pts per game with around 6-10 shots. And he's really good at that.

    hownowbrowncow ●

  • SpartanRocky said...

    I always thought Harris was the SG and Valentine the SF. I'd put Harris as better than Stauskus, though not by muhc.

    Harris is the better athlete, that is clear from watching him. Right now, Stauskus might be the better basketball player. I can't see anybody complaining because someone puts Harris slightly ahead of Stauskus or having them as a push or having Stauskus slightly ahead of Harris. It matters on what you are looking for.

    xxmgobluexx ●

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Sorry about that. Head to head recently it is advantage Michigan. We can call it a push though to keep you from crying.

    What has Beilein done in March?

    signature image

    steveschneider

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Harris is the better athlete, that is clear from watching him. Right now, Stauskus might be the better basketball player. I can't see anybody complaining because someone puts Harris slightly ahead of Stauskus or having them as a push or having Stauskus slightly ahead of Harris. It matters on what you are looking for.

    Harris is better than Stauskus.

    signature image

    steveschneider

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Harris is the better athlete, that is clear from watching him. Right now, Stauskus might be the better basketball player. I can't see anybody complaining because someone puts Harris slightly ahead of Stauskus or having them as a push or having Stauskus slightly ahead of Harris. It matters on what you are looking for.

    Yea, MSU's 2-4 guys are kind of muddled (in terms of positions, not #2-4 scorers or something like that). Dawson can play the 2, 3 or 4. Harris can play the 2 or 3. Valentine can play 1, 2, 3 or maybe the 4 for some stretches.

    Part of MSU's struggles (from my perspective) have a lot to do with guys not having defined roles yet.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • steveschneider said...

    Harris is better than Stauskus.

    He will be. Right now it is a push, at best. For what Michigan runs and already has on the team for this year, give me Stauskus.

    xxmgobluexx ●

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Yea, MSU's 2-4 guys are kind of muddled (in terms of positions, not #2-4 scorers or something like that). Dawson can play the 2, 3 or 4. Harris can play the 2 or 3. Valentine can play 1, 2, 3 or maybe the 4 for some stretches.

    Part of MSU's struggles (from my perspective) have a lot to do with guys not having defined roles yet.

    Does Dawson have the ball-handling to play the 2 or 3? He seems to lack the shooting range/touch also.

    How tall is Valentine?

    xxmgobluexx ●

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Does Dawson have the ball-handling to play the 2 or 3? He seems to lack the shooting range/touch also.

    How tall is Valentine?

    Valentine is 6'5, Dawson is 6'6, Harris is 6'4.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Does Dawson have the ball-handling to play the 2 or 3? He seems to lack the shooting range/touch also.

    How tall is Valentine?

    Dawson has awful ball handling and no shooting touch right now.

    signature image signature image signature image

    Braintrust

  • steveschneider said...

    What has Beilein done in March?

    He almost #beatohio

    signature image signature image signature image

    Braintrust

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Bump

    Looks like BB is the topic today, and we are almost 1/3 of the way through the regular season. Lineups are getting rounded out, and I still like the matchup for Michigan against MSU.

    Appling PG Burke
    Valentine SG Stauskus
    Harris SF Hardaway
    Dawson PF Robinson
    Nix/Payne C Morgan/McGary/Horford

    If they matchup like this, then advantage Michigan at PG, SG, and SF. Push at PF and C.

    If the matchup is the quoted, then it stays the same at the quoted. Appling and Burke will be matched up head to head in the game though.

    Burke over appling
    Harris over stauskas
    Hardaway over valentine
    Dawson over Robinson
    Morgan over nix

    Payne over vogrich at 6th man. Hell Payne over nix and Morgan. I wish he started

    signature image signature image signature image

    Braintrust

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Valentine is 6'5, Dawson is 6'6, Harris is 6'4.

    Nice. Michigan has size for the first time in years.

    Stauskus is 6'6"
    Hardaway is 6'6"
    GR3 is 6'6"

    The rotation the last couple of games is all 6'5" or taller, outside of PG.

    xxmgobluexx ●

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Bump

    Looks like BB is the topic today, and we are almost 1/3 of the way through the regular season. Lineups are getting rounded out, and I still like the matchup for Michigan against MSU.

    Appling PG Burke
    Valentine SG Stauskus
    Harris SF Hardaway
    Dawson PF Robinson
    Nix/Payne C Morgan/McGary/Horford

    If they matchup like this, then advantage Michigan at PG, SG, and SF. Push at PF and C.

    If the matchup is the quoted, then it stays the same at the quoted. Appling and Burke will be matched up head to head in the game though.

    Stauskas is SF and THJ is SG.

    And I admit I haven't watched MSU this year except the KU game. I thought Harris was SG and Dawson was SF?

    signature image

    Rabid ●

  • steveschneider said...

    What has Beilein done in March?

    Last game for Michigan vs MSU in March.
    http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=310640130

    MSU has a chance to redeem themself this year.

    xxmgobluexx ●

  • RabidWolverine said...

    Stauskas is SF and THJ is SG.

    And I admit I haven't watched MSU this year except the KU game. I thought Harris was SG and Dawson was SF?

    Ah, thank you. They are interchangeable really. Hardaway has more of an inside presence that a SF brings. Both are solid.

    xxmgobluexx ●

  • steveschneider said...

    What has Beilein done in March?

    1. Take four different schools to the NCAA (including trips to Sweet 16 and Elite 8)
    2. Win conference championships in four different leagues (B10, CAA, MAAC and MCC)
    3. Win the NIT
    4. Beat Tom Izzo (completing the sweep for the season)

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MrWoodson on 12/11/2012 at 1:20 PM

    MrWoodson

  • Braintrust said...

    Burke over appling
    Harris over stauskas
    Hardaway over valentine
    Dawson over Robinson
    Morgan over nix

    Payne over vogrich at 6th man. Hell Payne over nix and Morgan. I wish he started

    To each their own. I will take the inside/outside game Robinson brings over Dawson, and Robinson is a better rebounder. Dawson has the edge right now in defense. The bigs I grouped together and would take Morgan over Nix with the pick and roll Michigan runs. Payne over McGary right now, but that could change as McGary adapts to the speed of the game.

    Vogrich isn't in the rotation, he has been passed by Levert. He is getting mop up duty now. Shows the talent and depth of Michigan this year compared to last year. Vogrich saw some meaningful minutes throughout the year, now he is a bench warmer.

    xxmgobluexx ●

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Ah, thank you. They are interchangeable really. Hardaway has more of an inside presence that a SF brings. Both are solid.

    They are very interchangable. I think when Stauskas was still the 6th man he came in for Timmy at SG, but since Levert's RS has been burned he is the one that is coming in for THJ, and Stauskas took Vogrich's starting spot. Still not the lineup I'd like to see.

    Personally, I think this lineup would be awesome:
    PG: Burke
    SG: THJ
    SF: GR3
    PF: Morgan
    C: Horford
    6th: Stauskas

    This post was edited by Rabid on 12/11/2012 at 12:42 PM

    signature image

    Rabid ●

  • RabidWolverine said...

    They are very interchangable. I think when Stauskas was still the 6th man he came in for Timmy at SG, but since Levert's RS has been burned he is the one that is coming in for THJ, and Stauskas took Vogrich's starting spot. Still not the lineup I'd like to see.

    Personally, I think this lineup would be awesome:
    PG: Burke
    SG: THJ
    SF: GR3
    PF: Morgan
    C: Horford
    6th: Stauskas

    I love the lineup of those 1st four mentioned and then one of Morgan/McGary/Horford. Each bring their own element to the team.

    xxmgobluexx ●

  • Joey Brackets says IU and UM both project as #1 seeds. And Spartan and Badger fans can exhale for now ... he does have MSU and Wisky in the tournament despite their lackluster resumes.

    #1 - Indiana, Michigan
    #2 - Ohio State
    #3 - Minnesota
    #4 - Illinois
    #5 - Michigan State
    #10 - Wisconsin

    http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 12/11/2012 at 12:57 PM

    MrWoodson

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Last game for Michigan vs MSU in March. http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=310640130

    MSU has a chance to redeem themself this year.

    By your logic Dantonio has been a better coach than Hoke. Looks like Hoke may have redeemed himself this year though.

    signature image

    steveschneider

  • MrWoodson said...

    Joey Brackets says IU and UM both project as #1 seeds. And Spartan and Badger fans can exhale for now ... he does have MSU and Wisky in the tournament despite their lackluster resumes.

    #1 - Indiana, Michigan #2 - Ohio State #3 - Minnesota #4 - Illinois #5 - Michigan State #10 - Wisconsin

    http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

    MSU will be in the tournament, the only one that has any doubts is you.

    signature image

    steveschneider

Football Recruiting
Basketball Recruiting
Features
Resources
Connect

247Sports In partnership with CBS Sports