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  • MrWoodson said...

    Don't worry. Your schedule will get tougher as the season goes along. After all, you have to play us twice.

    hoops

    goblue

    Never said MSU's SOS was better.

    Just saying UM's isn't that good, so we should hold off judgement on them until they play actual competition, which really won't be until mid January

    copemoney0 ●

  • copemoney0 said...

    Never said MSU's SOS was better.

    Just saying UM's isn't that good, so we should hold off judgement on them until they play actual competition, which really won't be until mid January

    Congrats. You got your name fixed.

    MrWoodson ●

  • MrWoodson said...

    Is Izzo Ball morphing into Badger Ball?

    Hahaha. If you honestly think this, you know absolutely nothing about basketball.

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    Jandy ●

  • copemoney0 said...

    No he's not.

    Well, he is averaging more per game (10th in the league right now), but I am sure that is wrong somehow in your eyes.

    xxmgobluexx ●

  • MrWoodson said...

    Complain to Sagarin. That's why I first listed the RPI numbers. They are based solely on the W-L records of opponents and opponents' opponents. It's the SOS component used to calculate RPI. Guys like Kenpom and Sagarin have their own proprietary SOS calculations. They are all slightly different and they are secret. I can't help that you don't like the results, but all three show UM with a tougher schedule to date. Don't worry. Your schedule will get tougher as the season goes along. After all, you have to play us twice.

    hoops

    goblue

    But, but, but how can that be, we beat Kansas and lost to UConn.

    Signed,
    Sparty fans

    xxmgobluexx ●

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Lack depth? The backup big man last year, McLimans, is now buried on the bench behind McGary, Horford and Bielfeldt. The backup guard last year, Vogrich, began the season as a starter, and has since been passed by 2 freshman. Burke can actually take a breather this year with Spike giving him minutes each half to rest, and the offense doesn't fall apart.

    Not enough defense? They give up 2.3 more points a game than MSU does. Michigan is 3rd in the B1G in scoring margin, winning by 20.4 points a game.

    Jack to many 3's? Michigan smack dab in the middle of the B1G in 3pt shots per game with 19 per game. They are behind Illini, Ind, OSU, NW, and Wis, tied with PSU. It might seem like they are shooting a ton because they are so efficient at it, they are making them at a 42.1% clip, best in the B1G.

    The negatives you listed are all generic ones spouted Michigan the last couple of years. This isn't the same Michigan team, these boys can play. Watch them sometime, you might not like what you see.

    Don't care who used to be the backup big man or the backup guard..

    The 4 scorers all play 30min (Nik at 29) and only have 2 other players averaging DD minutes/game.. that's not depth..

    When I talk about defense, it's not about fewer ppg or bigger winning margin (that speaks to the SOS among other factors), but the defensive FG %. UM is 125th in the country there (41.2%).. ie- how well does your opponent shoot on you... to compare, MSU is #17 in the country at 36.3%.

    While you might not think 19 3's a game is a lot (and it's certainty down from LY), I do and typically if you couple good shooting teams with average defensive teams, that ='s early March exits.

    copemoney0 ●

  • copemoney0 said...

    Don't care who used to be the backup big man or the backup guard..

    The 4 scorers all play 30min (Nik at 29) and only have 2 other players averaging DD minutes/game.. that's not depth..

    When I talk about defense, it's not about fewer ppg or bigger winning margin (that speaks to the SOS among other factors), but the defensive FG %. UM is 125th in the country there (41.2%).. ie- how well does your opponent shoot on you... to compare, MSU is #17 in the country at 36.3%.

    While you might not think 19 3's a game is a lot (and it's certainty down from LY), I do and typically if you couple good shooting teams with average defensive teams, that ='s early March exits.

    But, but, but, how can that be, we almost beat Ohio in the tournament last year.

    Signed,
    UM fans

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    Jandy ●

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    But, but, but how can that be, we beat Kansas and lost to UConn.

    Signed,
    Sparty fans

    I know. Let's use Joe Rexrode's proprietary SOS calculation. How can anyone have a problem with good ol' Joe Rexrode? He's a straight shooter. Straight as they come.

    MrWoodson ●

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Well, he is averaging more per game (10th in the league right now), but I am sure that is wrong somehow in your eyes.

    He's averaging 1 less rebound per game in 5 less minutes a game..

    Dawson's been playing less because of TO's lately which has brought his average down

    Let's see where they are at the end of the year.. Even most UM fans would say Dawson's a better rebounder than GR3

    copemoney0 ●

  • FWIW I hope MSU picks up its game. I love seeing B10 teams all over the top of the rankings. There are three top 25 games on tonight. All three feature B10 teams ... #3 Michigan, #10 Illinois and #13 Minnesota.

    GO B1G HOOPS!!!

    MrWoodson ●

  • MrWoodson said...

    FWIW I hope MSU picks up its game. I love seeing B10 teams all over the top of the rankings. There are three top 25 games on tonight. All three feature B10 teams ... #3 Michigan, #10 Illinois and #13 Minnesota.

    GO B1G HOOPS!!!

    What actually would be pretty cool if MSU lands Parker and everyone from UM comes back..

    UM/MSU 1-2 preseason 2013

    clap

    copemoney0 ●

  • copemoney0 said...

    He's averaging 1 less rebound per game in 5 less minutes a game..

    Dawson's been playing less because of TO's lately which has brought his average down

    Let's see where they are at the end of the year.. Even most UM fans would say Dawson's a better rebounder than GR3

    Kinda defeats the purpose of grabbing an extra rebound if you are just going to give it back via an extra TO. Wouldn't you say?

    MrWoodson ●

  • copemoney0 said...

    What actually would be pretty cool if MSU lands Parker and everyone from UM comes back..

    UM/MSU 1-2 preseason 2013

    clap

    Let's not get carried away, now. No Parker for you!

    MrWoodson ●

  • MrWoodson said...

    Kinda defeats the purpose of grabbing an extra rebound if you are just going to give it back via an extra TO. Wouldn't you say?

    Absolutely.

    But no one hits the boards harder than Dawson (maybe Payne).. for some reason he's having issue adapting to the 4.. but catching the ball and not dribbling if off his foot should be 101 tactics

    copemoney0 ●

  • MrWoodson said...

    I know. Let's use Joe Rexrode's proprietary SOS calculation. How can anyone have a problem with good ol' Joe Rexrode? He's a straight shooter. Straight as they come.

    Lol.

    Quick sidenote, did you guys know that if you lose to SC, that you and Notre Dame will actually be tied for program winning percentage? You would both be at .734. I think UM would actually have a better percentage, but it would be interesting...

    Currently:
    UM: 903-314-36 (921/1253 = .735036)
    ND: 865-300-42 (886/1207 = .734051)

    If UM Loses:
    UM: 903-315-36 (921/1254 = .734450)

    If ND Wins:
    ND: 866-300-42 (887/1208 = .734272)

    If ND Loses:
    ND: 865-301-42 (886/1208 = .733444)

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  • MrWoodson said...

    FWIW I hope MSU picks up its game. I love seeing B10 teams all over the top of the rankings. There are three top 25 games on tonight. All three feature B10 teams ... #3 Michigan, #10 Illinois and #13 Minnesota.

    GO B1G HOOPS!!!

    Agreed.

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    Rabid

  • copemoney0 said...

    What actually would be pretty cool if MSU lands Parker and everyone from UM comes back..

    UM/MSU 1-2 preseason 2013

    clap

    I think the could maybe be possible if THJ and GR3 stay. Burke is definitely gone though.

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    Rabid

  • copemoney0 said...

    Don't care who used to be the backup big man or the backup guard..

    The 4 scorers all play 30min (Nik at 29) and only have 2 other players averaging DD minutes/game.. that's not depth..

    When I talk about defense, it's not about fewer ppg or bigger winning margin (that speaks to the SOS among other factors), but the defensive FG %. UM is 125th in the country there (41.2%).. ie- how well does your opponent shoot on you... to compare, MSU is #17 in the country at 36.3%.

    While you might not think 19 3's a game is a lot (and it's certainty down from LY), I do and typically if you couple good shooting teams with average defensive teams, that ='s early March exits.

    The depth is there, watch a game and you see it. There isn't a serious drop-off in production when Burke, Hardaway, Stauskus, GR3 or Morgan sit. Michigan goes 9 deep easily, and that doesn't include former starter Vogrich. Depth is finally there, and I love it.

    I have watched MSU, they have gone stretches where Appling or someone else is on the bench and they look like crap. The backup (depth) is playing, but the team looks like crap. Pay attention, you can see it.

    Weren't you just shown that Michigan has a tougher SOS right now? Yea, anyway.

    xxmgobluexx ●

  • If That Staukus kid is better than Gary Harris, then I'm better than Michael Jordan.

    Harry Callahan ●

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    The depth is there, watch a game and you see it. There isn't a serious drop-off in production when Burke, Hardaway, Stauskus, GR3 or Morgan sit. Michigan goes 9 deep easily, and that doesn't include former starter Vogrich. Depth is finally there, and I love it.

    I have watched MSU, they have gone stretches where Appling or someone else is on the bench and they look like crap. The backup (depth) is playing, but the team looks like crap. Pay attention, you can see it.

    Weren't you just shown that Michigan has a tougher SOS right now? Yea, anyway.

    You're confusing balance and depth.

    Sure, when one of the 4 guys goes out, the drop off in production isn't that noticeable but that's because of the other 3 balanced scorers- of course the production drop off isn't that noticeable..

    But if you're telling me that a lineup of Burke/Timmy/Nik/GR3/Morgan doesn't drop off with Spike/Vogrich/Timmy/GR3/McGary you're nuts.

    copemoney0 ●

  • Jandy said...

    Lol.

    Quick sidenote, did you guys know that if you lose to SC, that you and Notre Dame will actually be tied for program winning percentage? You would both be at .734. I think UM would actually have a better percentage, but it would be interesting...

    Currently:
    UM: 903-314-36 (921/1253 = .735036)
    ND: 865-300-42 (886/1207 = .734051)

    If UM Loses:
    UM: 903-315-36 (921/1254 = .734450)

    If ND Wins:
    ND: 866-300-42 (887/1208 = .734272)

    If ND Loses:
    ND: 865-301-42 (886/1208 = .733444)

    That's not right. What is 921 for UM? And 886 for ND?

    #s right now are ...

    UM = 903/1253 = .7207
    ND = 865/1207 = .7167

    #s if UM loses and ND wins ...

    UM = 903/1254 = .7201
    ND = 866/1208 = .7169

    MrWoodson ●

  • Probably already been brought up, but ESPN named MSU as the unluckiest team in CFB this season. So we weren't really bad, just unlucky. Suck it down river.

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    Rocket_Play ●

  • MrWoodson said...

    That's not right. What is 921 for UM? And 886 for ND?

    #s right now are ...

    UM = 903/1253 = .7207 ND = 865/1207 = .7167

    #s if UM loses and ND wins ...

    UM = 903/1254 = .7201 ND = 866/1208 = .7169

    Are we counting games VS high school teams?

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  • Rocket_Play said...

    Probably already been brought up, but ESPN named MSU as the unluckiest team in CFB this season. So we weren't really bad, just unlucky. Suck it down river.

    Downriver so mad right now.

    Harry Callahan ●

  • Rocket_Play said...

    Probably already been brought up, but ESPN named MSU as the unluckiest team in CFB this season. So we weren't really bad, just unlucky. Suck it down river.

    It's Insider article..

    1. Michigan State Spartans (6-6)

    The Spartans faithful may have been slightly spoiled by back-to-back double-digit winning seasons in 2010 and 2011, and a step backward in 2012 was to be expected after heavy personnel losses in key positions. But no fan base could have prepared itself for dealing with so many games slipping right through their fingers. Michigan State limped home to a .500 record overall and a 3-5 Big Ten conference record. The combined margin of defeat in those five conference games was a mere 13 points.

    The defense was outstanding throughout the season, holding opponents to only 1.2 points per drive (seventh-fewest nationally), 273 yards per game (fourth-fewest nationally) and forcing three-and-outs on 46.5 percent of opponent possessions (third-best nationally). Getting opponents off the field quickly often leads to field position advantages, but MSU's anemic offense and inconsistent special teams couldn't capitalize. The Big Ten Legends division is well within reach next year if the Spartans can find even a little bit more production on offense.

    copemoney0 ●

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