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  • steveschneider said...

    "I'll give him the probation years as a pass"

    He was on probation 5 of the 6 years he coached at Michigan. The facilities were in shambles as well. Maybe it was a bad fit for Amaker to be there, he might just be one of those coaches meant to be on the east coast. Maybe he'll end up at Temple, Vanderbilt someday.

    I can understand that. I guess what I meant by "pass" that is he didn't have to absolutely make the tourney in my eyes. What he had time to do is start building recruiting, building wins, building student or fan following, getting publicity, creating excitement, building some sort of momentum as everyone knew 2 years, 1 year ahead of time when the probation would end. Sell that future.

    During his tenure, there were brief periods of slight excitement with long lulls of sharp disappointment and too-frequent embarrassing losses. I showed up at a game sophomore and junior years and got seats second row behind the bench. Crisler was old, but the crowd wasn't helping.

    I think this parallels the argument that "Beilein has new facilities so therefore he can now recruit better". Our facilities are beautiful and I no doubt agree they make things easier, but they just opened this year. He's been selling a vision, a future, but at the same time building his teams in the present. He randomly would beat Dukes and UCLAs in early December. That was exciting. Here were the records:

    Amaker: 11-18, 17-13, 23-11 NIT Champ, 13-18, 22-11 NIT Runner Up, 22-13 NIT 2nd Rd.

    Beilein: 10-22, 21-14 NIT 2nd Rd., 15-17, 21-14 NCAA 2nd Rd 2pt loss to Duke, 24-10 NCAA 1 RD

    Amaker's record isn't terrible, but it's not good either. I don't know if I'd call it a plateau, but we were a good NIT team 3 of his last 4 years and the other was a bad year. Crisler would've been a ghost town in his next year. Amaker weathered a storm but looking at Amaker's record, what Beilein has done, and then saying Amaker got a raw deal isn't exactly correct.

    Some fans were getting antsy about Beilein until he made the tourney. People wanted to make the NCAA tournament, not the NIT, and maybe Amaker just in a bad spot because we were ineligible for 5 of 6 years he was there.

    I don't think most M fans are saying Amaker sucked, but nobody was excited about the direction of the program. And it helps we really can't complain about the results at this point.

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  • UM: 42
    Iowa: 17

    MSU: 17
    NW: 16

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  • Jandy said...

    UM: 42 Iowa: 17

    MSU: 17 NW: 16

    even though we win, i wouldn't like that score. after seeing some flashes on offense in the Nebraska game (going from bad to mediocre), i want to see us score somewhere in the 20s.

    This post was edited by Braintrust on 11/16/2012 at 2:05 PM

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  • hardware_sushi said...

    I can understand that. I guess what I meant by "pass" that is he didn't have to absolutely make the tourney in my eyes. What he had time to do is start building recruiting, building wins, building student or fan following, getting publicity, creating excitement, building some sort of momentum as everyone knew 2 years, 1 year ahead of time when the probation would end. Sell that future.

    During his tenure, there were brief periods of slight excitement with long lulls of sharp disappointment and too-frequent embarrassing losses. I showed up at a game sophomore and junior years and got seats second row behind the bench. Crisler was old, but the crowd wasn't helping.

    I think this parallels the argument that "Beilein has new facilities so therefore he can now recruit better". Our facilities are beautiful and I no doubt agree they make things easier, but they just opened this year. He's been selling a vision, a future, but at the same time building his teams in the present. He randomly would beat Dukes and UCLAs in early December. That was exciting. Here were the records:

    Amaker: 11-18, 17-13, 23-11 NIT Champ, 13-18, 22-11 NIT Runner Up, 22-13 NIT 2nd Rd.

    Beilein: 10-22, 21-14 NIT 2nd Rd., 15-17, 21-14 NCAA 2nd Rd 2pt loss to Duke, 24-10 NCAA 1 RD

    Amaker's record isn't terrible, but it's not good either. I don't know if I'd call it a plateau, but we were a good NIT team 3 of his last 4 years and the other was a bad year. Crisler would've been a ghost town in his next year. Amaker weathered a storm but looking at Amaker's record, what Beilein has done, and then saying Amaker got a raw deal isn't exactly correct.

    Some fans were getting antsy about Beilein until he made the tourney. People wanted to make the NCAA tournament, not the NIT, and maybe Amaker just in a bad spot because we were ineligible for 5 of 6 years he was there.

    I don't think most M fans are saying Amaker sucked, but nobody was excited about the direction of the program. And it helps we really can't complain about the results at this point.

    From what I remember on his last year the expectation was he had to make the NCAA or lose his job.

    It's pretty much my opinion that not too many coaches would of succeeded during that 5-6 year span at Michigan.

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  • According to Chris Balas, Keita Bates-Diop is expected to commit to Michigan!

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    Rabid ●

  • RabidWolverine said...

    According to Chris Balas, Keita Bates-Diop is expected to commit to Michigan!

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    Beilein keeping the train rolling.

    goblue

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  • RabidWolverine said...

    According to Chris Balas, Keita Bates-Diop is expected to commit to Michigan!

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    Congrats. Izzo offered him, I think.

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    Score predictions for the weekend?

    UM 34

    Iowa 10

    MSU 31

    Northwestern 21

    Michigan 49, Iowa 7
    Northwestern 31, MSU 17

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  • Braintrust said...

    Congrats. Izzo offered him, I think.

    I think you're being sincere, so this isn't really directed at you, but..

    I hate how MSU fans think it's the end-all-be-all for a prospect whether they hold an MSU offer or not. I would value offers from a ton of other schools before MSU.

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  • hardware_sushi said...

    I can understand that. I guess what I meant by "pass" that is he didn't have to absolutely make the tourney in my eyes. What he had time to do is start building recruiting, building wins, building student or fan following, getting publicity, creating excitement, building some sort of momentum as everyone knew 2 years, 1 year ahead of time when the probation would end. Sell that future.

    During his tenure, there were brief periods of slight excitement with long lulls of sharp disappointment and too-frequent embarrassing losses. I showed up at a game sophomore and junior years and got seats second row behind the bench. Crisler was old, but the crowd wasn't helping.

    I think this parallels the argument that "Beilein has new facilities so therefore he can now recruit better". Our facilities are beautiful and I no doubt agree they make things easier, but they just opened this year. He's been selling a vision, a future, but at the same time building his teams in the present. He randomly would beat Dukes and UCLAs in early December. That was exciting. Here were the records:

    Amaker: 11-18, 17-13, 23-11 NIT Champ, 13-18, 22-11 NIT Runner Up, 22-13 NIT 2nd Rd.

    Beilein: 10-22, 21-14 NIT 2nd Rd., 15-17, 21-14 NCAA 2nd Rd 2pt loss to Duke, 24-10 NCAA 1 RD

    Amaker's record isn't terrible, but it's not good either. I don't know if I'd call it a plateau, but we were a good NIT team 3 of his last 4 years and the other was a bad year. Crisler would've been a ghost town in his next year. Amaker weathered a storm but looking at Amaker's record, what Beilein has done, and then saying Amaker got a raw deal isn't exactly correct.

    Some fans were getting antsy about Beilein until he made the tourney. People wanted to make the NCAA tournament, not the NIT, and maybe Amaker just in a bad spot because we were ineligible for 5 of 6 years he was there.

    I don't think most M fans are saying Amaker sucked, but nobody was excited about the direction of the program. And it helps we really can't complain about the results at this point.

    Good article about where Beilein has the program headed.

    http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=collegebasketballnation&id=67338

    xxmgobluexx ●

  • RabidWolverine said...

    . I would value offers from a ton of other schools before MSU.

    I'm sure If Izzo offered you'd just tear that letter right up in his face.

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    steveschneider

  • steveschneider said...

    I'm sure If Izzo offered you'd just tear that letter right up in his face.

    Quit your fucking trolling, MSU is a good offer. I'm just saying it is nowhere near the most prestigious offer a player can get like Sparty fans make it out to be.

    This post was edited by Rabid on 11/16/2012 at 4:12 PM

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  • RabidWolverine said...

    Quit your fucking trolling, MSU is a good offer. I'm just saying it is nowhere near the most prestigious offer a player can get.

    Who's trolling?

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  • steveschneider said...

    Who's trolling?

    Well I did quote you. Also, I said "your" which implies it is directed at you if you couldn't figure it out by the quote.

    Need help figuring out anything else?

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    Rabid ●

  • RabidWolverine said...

    Well I did quote you. Also, I said "your" which implies it is directed at you if you couldn't figure it out by the quote.

    Need help figuring out anything else?

    LOL! You are pissed off aren't you?

    You were the one trolling.

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    steveschneider

  • steveschneider said...

    LOL! You are pissed off aren't you?

    You were the one trolling.

    lol How am I trolling?

    And yeah, I'm a little mad at how you always have a snide comeback at everything I say. I never said MSU is a bad offer, I said it isn't the most prestigious. But here you come, making it seem like I am saying MSU is a crappy offer and that I would "tear it up".

    Yet, I am trolling?

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    Rabid ●

  • RabidWolverine said...

    lol How am I trolling?

    And yeah, I'm a little mad at how you always have a snide comeback at everything I say. I never said MSU is a bad offer, I said it isn't the most prestigious. But here you come, making it seem like I am saying MSU is a crappy offer and that I would "tear it up".

    Yet, I am trolling?

    "would value offers from a ton of other schools before MSU. "

    That be some trolling there!

    A "ton" sounds like a big number. List 20 schools you'd accept over MSU.

    Also, don't be mad dude. I respect you all as a posters. We always go back and forth on here. That poster up above that commented on Amaker is a pretty intelligent dude. I liked his responses.

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    steveschneider

  • steveschneider said...

    That poster up above that commented on Amaker is a pretty intelligent dude. I liked his responses.

    Thank you. ;)

    This post was edited by xxmgobluexx on 11/16/2012 at 4:27 PM

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Thank you.

    You're intelligent too, but I was referring to Hardware Sushi...definitely the best responder on the Amaker talk.

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    steveschneider

  • steveschneider said...

    You're intelligent too, but I was referring to Hardware Sushi...definitely the best responder on the Amaker talk.

    Now you're just trolling.

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  • steveschneider said...

    "would value offers from a ton of other schools before MSU. "

    That be some trolling there!

    A "ton" sounds like a big number. List 20 schools you'd accept over MSU.

    Also, don't be mad dude. I respect you all as a posters. We always go back and forth on here. That poster up above that commented on Amaker is a pretty intelligent dude. I liked his responses.

    If i wasn't a fan of any school in particular
    Kentucky
    Duke
    UNC
    Florida
    Kansas
    Syracuse - maybe

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    Braintrust ●

  • Braintrust said...

    If i wasn't a fan of any school in particular
    Kentucky
    Duke
    UNC
    Florida
    Kansas
    Syracuse - maybe

    For basketball, I would throw UCLA in there also.

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  • steveschneider said...

    "would value offers from a ton of other schools before MSU. "

    That be some trolling there!

    A "ton" sounds like a big number. List 20 schools you'd accept over MSU.

    Also, don't be mad dude. I respect you all as a posters. We always go back and forth on here. That poster up above that commented on Amaker is a pretty intelligent dude. I liked his responses.

    Ok, I admit "a ton" was a bit exaggerated. Looking at a list of all teams in all conferences right now, and I would hold somewhere between 8 and 11 offers more valuable than MSU.

    The schools that definitely I would consider a more valuable offer than MSU are: Duke, UNC, Kansas, Syracuse, Indiana, UCLA, Florida, Kentucky

    Schools I'm not sure if I would hold more valuable or not (feel free to tell me why MSU is better than these, if you want): Louisville, Ohio State, Arizona

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    Rabid ●

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    For basketball, I would throw UCLA in there also.

    Yeah, maybe Indiana too.

    I'm interested in seeing Michigan vs Pitt. Pitt isn't great this year, but Steven Adams is very good. Lets see what Morgan/McGary can do against a guy like him

    This post was edited by Braintrust on 11/16/2012 at 4:39 PM

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  • Braintrust said...

    Yeah, maybe Indiana too.

    I'm interested in seeing Michigan vs Pitt. Pitt isn't great this year, but Steven Adams is. Lets see what Morgan/McGary can do against a guy like him

    I am looking forward to seeing a good game. Michigan has looked good, but the competition has to be considered. Really looking forward to the NCST game.

    Sucks having to wait a week in between games.

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