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  • MrWoodson said...

    This is not about which program has won more "since Izzo has been at MSU"

    Umm.. that's what you said...

    "But MSU fans seem to be making two mistakes. The second is to think that Izzo elevated MSU's program...and in fact made it the premier program in the B10. Neither is anywhere close to being true."

    Which basically says that during the Izzo era, you don't think MSU became the premiere program of the B1G.

    So which B1G is/was better in the B1G since Izzo took over??

    This post was edited by copemoney0 on 1/7/2013 at 10:39 AM

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  • DWags said...

    lol.

    Silly silly man. If Izzo was coaching in 1923, he'd have been kicking everyones ass then also. But he wasn't. So what can he or anyone do? Win. Win consistently. So, even if you have a down year once in a while you are still considered program of the decade. Then you go to work on the next one. After that your program is not only mentioned as a top program in the country but you get invited to step out with the "blue bloods" at events.

    It's done for people EXACTLY LIKE YOU WHO IN TWO POSTS UP SAY YOU DON'T REMEMBER OR KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE 80's and beyond. ( that was you I believe )
    lol back track out of that now.

    Face it in your short memory of college basketball (your words not mine). Izzo and MSU have DOMINATED the league and tournament. You'll excuse me if I think you're only moving the target for your convenience. It's pathetic but true.

    I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say here.

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  • copemoney0 said...

    Umm.. that's what you said...

    "But MSU fans seem to be making two mistakes. The second is to think that Izzo elevated MSU's program...and in fact made it the premier program in the B10. Neither is anywhere close to being true."

    Which basically says that during the Izzo era, you don't think MSU is the premiere program of the B1G.

    So which B1G is/was better in the B1G since Izzo took over??

    I made no comment about "during the Izzo era". That would be a relatively weak comment anyway because it would suggest that as soon as Izzo is gone the program would slip back. And as I said to Rocky, I have not said that either. My comment was that Izzo has elevated MSU's program overall, i.e. it's "all-time" status. And I think he has, just like Calhoun has done at UConn, Boeheim has done at Syracuse and Donovan has done at UF. But none of those coaches have elevated their programs to the level of Kentucky or Carolina or UCLA. Or Indiana for that matter. Those programs, along with Kansas and Duke, remain the elite of the elite in college basketball.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MrWoodson on 1/7/2013 at 10:48 AM

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  • MrWoodson said...

    I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say here.

    Of course not.

    lol

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  • MrWoodson said...

    I made no comment about "during the Izzo era". That would be a relatively weak comment anyway because it would suggest that as soon as Izzo is gone the program would slip back. And as I said to Rocky, I have not said that either. My comment was that Izzo has elevated MSU's program overall, i.e. it's "all-time" status. And I think he has, just like Calhoun has done at UConn, Boeheim has done at Syracuse and Donovan has done at UF. But none of those coaches have elevated their programs to the level of Kentucky or Carolina or UCLA. Or Indiana for that matter. Those programs, along with Kansas and Duke, remain the elite of the elite in college basketball.

    You have no shame. Jesus. It can't be that hard to admit which program is the premier program in the league since Izzo has arrived.

    Now dance around it all you want. We'll look for your non answer again.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    I made no comment about "during the Izzo era". That would be a relatively weak comment anyway because it would suggest that as soon as Izzo is gone the program would slip back. And as I said to Rocky, I have not said that either. My comment was that Izzo has elevated MSU's program overall, i.e. it's "all-time" status. And I think he has, just like Calhoun has done at UConn, Boeheim has done at Syracuse and Donovan has done at UF. But none of those coaches have elevated their programs to the level of Kentucky or Carolina or UCLA. Or Indiana for that matter. Those programs, along with Kansas and Duke, remain the elite of the elite in college basketball.

    So you said you made no comment about "During the Izzo era" yet you stated "The second is to think that Izzo elevated MSU's program to the level of a Duke or Kentucky or Carolina and in fact made it the premier program in the B10. Neither is anywhere close to being true. "

    I'm sorry- but how is that not about the Izzo era? You specifically said that MSU fans think that "IZZO elevated MSU's program and made it the premier program in the B10."

    But you weren't talking specifically about the Izzo era even though you called out the Izzo era??? Holy crap, you're denser than I thought explode

    copemoney0

  • DWags said...

    But Izzo is. Facts am facts.

    lol

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  • 47 today. FORTY SEVEN!

    Christ Almight, I'm too old to be hanging around message boards.

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  • The blank pages are gone. We should move back to the original thread.

    The Original Michigan, MSU, 1 Arky Dude Thread (Closed)

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  • Due51 said...

    47 today. FORTY SEVEN!

    Christ Almight, I'm too old to be hanging around message boards.

    Happy Birthday!!! Enjoy. Get a nice strong Vodka Martini, watch the game. I hope you truely have a great day.

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  • Due51 said...

    47 today. FORTY SEVEN!

    Christ Almight, I'm too old to be hanging around message boards.

    Happy birthday!

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  • DWags said...

    You have no shame. Jesus. It can't be that hard to admit which program is the premier program in the league since Izzo has arrived.

    Now dance around it all you want. We'll look for your non answer again.

    So you agree, Indiana is the premier basketball program in the B10?

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  • copemoney0 said...

    So you said you made no comment about "During the Izzo era" yet you stated "The second is to think that Izzo elevated MSU's program to the level of a Duke or Kentucky or Carolina and in fact made it the premier program in the B10. Neither is anywhere close to being true. "

    I'm sorry- but how is that not about the Izzo era? You specifically said that MSU fans think that "IZZO elevated MSU's program and made it the premier program in the B10."

    But you weren't talking specifically about the Izzo era even though you called out the Izzo era??? Holy crap, you're denser than I thought explode

    You need to take some basic English language courses because you are clearly reading something into the words and sentence structure that is not there. I made no comment about which program was the premier program "during the Izzo era". It's a pointless and dumb question. If you want to give yourselves a ribbon for your 15 minutes of fame, knock yourselves out. No one else but Sparty fans care.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    So you agree, Indiana is the premier basketball program in the B10?

    The premier program in the League since Izzo: Woodson says it's Indiana. Now you know why I've really lost a ton of respect for your "basketball knowledge"

    Like I said, you dont' have much shame. It's very hard for you to say MSU is the premier program in the league for the past decade and a half. By any measurement you'd like. Like I say, I'll give you the whole field. I'll just take MSU. Any measurement of victories you'd like. Conference Championships (damn close to leading the whole league added up) NCAA appearances- Heck, I'd like to add up NCAA victories in that time period and put MSU's against the field. Sweet 16's, elite 8's BTT championships, NC's NC final games. I'll let you have the whole field. I'll take MSU. The last 15 years.

    The premier program in the league the last decade and a half? Compared to "the league" I don't think the world "Premier" is good enough. It's why we'd get Crean if Izzo retired. That simple. If some program like Wisconsin, or Indiana, or Illinois has two or three good years in that time, It makes no difference. If a school like Michiigan, who currently has just a fantastic team makes a run for a year or two, it makes no difference. MSU is MSU and will continue to stay that way. I don't think we'd slip for three years like UM did in football under Hoke if we switched coaches. Maybe one year, maybe.

    somebody add up he championships sweet 16's, BTT titles, final fours, NC's and NC final games OF MSU vs. the Field and lets see the totals. It's unbelivable what Izzo has done. Tell me the 60's count. Big Effin Deal. Izzo can't do a damn thing about them. He has established a priemer program that everyone, every coach, every analyst in America knows it. This is a BAD YEAR for MSU. I look up and we have 3 losses and we're in the top 20. A BAD YEAR.

    Take your fan boy stuff out of here. It clouds any phony knowledge you might have had.

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  • Due51 said...

    47 today. FORTY SEVEN!

    Christ Almight, I'm too old to be hanging around message boards.

    Happy Birthday!

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  • MrWoodson said...

    I made no comment about which program was the premier program "during the Izzo era".

    "The second is to think that Izzo elevated MSU's program...and in fact made it the premier program in the B10. Neither is anywhere close to being true. "

    Pretty sure everyone sees the Izzo comment but you...

    copemoney0

  • copemoney0 said...

    "The second is to think that Izzo elevated MSU's program...and in fact made it the premier program in the B10. Neither is anywhere close to being true. "

    Pretty sure everyone sees the Izzo comment but you...

    I'm pretty sure they don't.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    I'm pretty sure they don't.

    Clearly you're just seeing what you want to see.. because it's right there- in black and white... can't hide from it.. but it's OK to just act blindly and assume it doesn't exist.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by copemoney0 on 1/7/2013 at 4:15 PM

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  • copemoney0 said...

    That's interesting considering UM lives on it's pre 1950 CFB accomplishments

    and 1970-present

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    Stealing Sparty's recruits and owning them on the field since 1898

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  • copemoney0 said...

    So basically, per UM fans- MSU got good at basketball because Michigan began to suck (Ed Martin scandal) and MSU got good at football because UM began to suck (Rich Rod era).

    Wow.

    headslap

    and we got good at football in 2011 and MSU began to suck.

    This post was edited by msucantmakebcs on 1/7/2013 at 5:04 PM

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  • MrWoodson said...

    That's not what I wrote. In fact, I wrote exactly the opposite. But MSU fans seem to be making two mistakes. One is to assume Beilein just got lucky with a recruiting class and next year everything will return to normal and UM will be struggling to make the NIT. The second is to think that Izzo elevated MSU's program to the level of a Duke or Kentucky or Carolina and in fact made it the premier program in the B10. Neither is anywhere close to being true.

    Izzo has done a very good job at MSU, but so have Boeheim (sp?), Calhoun, Pitino, Donovan, etc, etc at their respective programs. How many NCs have Carolina and Duke and Kentucky won just during the Izzo era alone? And how many has Izzo won? Roy Williams has more. Calhoun has more. Donovan has more. And I hope I don't even need to mention Coach K.

    Izzo is a HOF coach. He won a natty. He has elevated MSU's basketball program, but lets not oversell it. And the road ahead for Izzo and MSU will now be tougher with IU, OSU, and UM all competing at their historically high levels.

    Izzo is the Lloyd Carr of basketball.

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  • msucantmakebcs said...

    and we got good at football in 2011 and MSU began to suck.

    Didn't MSU win 11 games in 2011? shrug

    copemoney0

  • msucantmakebcs said...

    and we got good at football in 2011 and MSU began to suck.

    MSU didn't begin to suck this year. They just returned to suck.

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  • msucantmakebcs said...

    Izzo is the Lloyd Carr of basketball.

    Please. Lloyd Carr was lauded for his character and honesty and integrity. He was never suspended by the NCAA for cheating.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Please. Lloyd Carr was lauded for his character and honesty and integrity. He was never suspended by the NCAA for cheating.

    Gotta cheat to win. How else would we have gotten a superstar like Byrd if Izzo didn't cheat to get him? (at least, i'm pretty sure thats who the violation was for)

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