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The Official Michigan, MSU, and 1 Random Guy from Arky Thread

  • I'd like to apologize to all the Blue Boarders who have seen our crazy back and forth arguments over the past few weeks. I thought it'd be a good idea to keep our sibling rivalry to one thread, so the rest of you can debate things like the hottest porn star, or what you're making for dinner, or what the best hypothetical recruiting class could. Or even how many times Barney was dropped on his head as a child. confused

    Alright fans, here's what's gone down.

    1) Hoke's off to a great start in recruiting for 2012

    2) MSU has the better team this year and the game's at MSU

    3) Hoke hasn't coached a single game yet for you guys

    4) Switch in schemes are always interesting

    5) I love pancakes.

    6) 2012 recruits will not be on the field in 2011

    7) I think MSU extends our winning streak over you guys to at least 5 games.

    Let the flaming/bitching/fighting/discussion (hopefully!) begin!

    This post has been edited 5 times, most recently by SpartanRocky on 1/27/2013 at 9:52 PM

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    I'd like to apologize to all the Blue Boarders who have seen our crazy back and forth arguments over the past few weeks. I thought it'd be a good idea to keep our sibling rivalry to one thread, so the rest of you can debate things like the hottest porn star, or what you're making for dinner, or what the best hypothetical recruiting class could. Or even how many times Barney was dropped on his head as a child.

    Alright fans, here's what's gone down.

    1) Hoke's off to a great start in recruiting for 2012

    2) MSU has the better team this year and the game's at MSU

    3) Hoke hasn't coached a single game yet for you guys

    4) Switch in schemes are always interesting

    5) I love pancakes.

    6) 2012 recruits will not be on the field in 2011

    7) I think MSU extends our winning streak over you guys to at least 5 games.

    Let the flaming/bitching/fighting/discussion (hopefully!) begin!

    I don't see any way you extend the streak to 5 games. Michigan will beat you either this year or next year... leaning more towards next year.

    This post was edited by TheDude23 on 5/19/2011 at 11:26 AM

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  • 7) I think MSU extends our winning streak over you guys to at least 5 games.

    You really see an MSU team with an inexperienced QB going into Ann Arbor and beating a Michigan team with a Senior Denard Robinson?

    Obviously tons and tons can change between now and then. But I'll put some money down on that right now if the odds are good :D

    This post was edited by theyellow_dup on 5/19/2011 at 11:43 AM

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  • theyellowdart said...

    You really see an MSU team with an inexperienced QB going into Ann Arbor and beating a Michigan team with a Senior Denard Robinson?

    Obviously tons and tons can change between now and then. But I'll put some money down on that right now if the odds are good :D

    That last line was more to generate a debate; a ton of stuff can happen between now and then, but . . .

    MSU will return 4/5 of the OL and all of its RBs. The QB will be a RS Jr, Maxwell, who will see some solid snaps this year. As a former Elite 11 QB and a guy who will have 3+ years in the system, it's about as good as MSU can hope for in terms of having a 1st year starter.

    The bigger issue for UM will be MSU's defense. We have 1 SR in our starting 11 and just 2 more in the 2-deeps. That means MSU returns 10/11 starters and 19/22 defensive players in the 2-deep overall, plus the specialists. Considering MSU's D should be pretty decent this year, 2012 should be a very strong unit.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • TheDude23 said...

    I don't see any way you extend the streak to 5 games. Michigan will beat you either this year or next year... leaning more towards next year.

    Why?

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Over rated rivalry, neither team is that good. They both get over ranked because it's Michigan teams.

    LScootU

  • I see you guys having the advantage for the 2011 season, that's obvious right now. Coaching change and no spread for Denard.

    But for 2012 the game is back in Michigan, we'll be in year two of the coaches, Denard will be a senior and the offense will be down and the defense should be back to being what Michigan defense is supposed to be. Cousins and Worthy will be gone, I see advantage and victory for Michigan for 2012. I think 2012 is when you guys take a small step back. We will lose i think 6 starters total from 2011's team but at positions we'll be ready to reload.

    This post was edited by Hoffelcopter on 5/19/2011 at 12:01 PM

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  • Super Scooter said...

    Over rated rivalry, neither team is that good. They both get over ranked because it's Michigan teams.

    This thread is for us to talk amongst ourselves. Leave your conference and your national championships out of it!

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    This thread is for us to talk amongst ourselves. Leave your conference and your national championships out of it!

    MSU claims 6 national titles. LSU only claims 3.

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  • Hoffelcopter said...

    I see you guys having the advantage for the 2011 season, that's obvious right now. Coaching change and no spread for Denard.

    But for 2012 the game is back in Michigan, we'll be in year two of the coaches, Denard will be a senior and the offense will be down and the defense should be back to being what Michigan defense is supposed to be. Cousins and Worthy will be gone, I see advantage and victory for Michigan for 2012.

    What about Baker, Caper, Bell, Sims, Gholston, Hoover, White, Norman, Bullough, J. Adams, etc? IIRC, the 3 RBs ran for 249 yards on you guys last year, and they're not going anywhere the next 2 seasons.

    While I think there's a great chance that Worthy goes pro, White has really developed nicely; the two of them together are going to be very tough to deal with this season. Next year will see Gholston and Hoover as a JR and a RS SR; is that going to be any easier for your OL to handle? I assume you're graduating a few of those this year. Also, MSU's 2012 OL will feature 4 returning starters, as there is only 1 SR starting.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • devidee said...

    MSU claims 6 national titles. LSU only claims 3.

    Shhhhhhhhhh, I just want the $EC dude to leave. Nevermind that fact that since 1950 MSU had 6 NCs and UM has 1/2 . . . . . .

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Shhhhhhhhhh, I just want the $EC dude to leave. Nevermind that fact that since 1950 MSU had 6 NCs and UM has 1/2 . . . . . .

    You might want to check that math again.

    theyellow_dup

  • SpartanRocky said...

    What about Baker, Caper, Bell, Sims, Gholston, Hoover, White, Norman, Bullough, J. Adams, etc? IIRC, the 3 RBs ran for 249 yards on you guys last year, and they're not going anywhere the next 2 seasons.

    While I think there's a great chance that Worthy goes pro, White has really developed nicely; the two of them together are going to be very tough to deal with this season. Next year will see Gholston and Hoover as a JR and a RS SR; is that going to be any easier for your OL to handle? I assume you're graduating a few of those this year. Also, MSU's 2012 OL will feature 4 returning starters, as there is only 1 SR starting.

    I agree on your RB, they will be a good group. But that was the worlds worst scheme in the 3-3-5, every running play the OLine immediately was in the second level, that defense couldn't stop anything. Plus they never got taught angles, how to tackle, how to get off blocks, or how to play defense at all thanks to Greg Robinson. Mattison will fix that, you won't be seeing that bad of a defense ever again.

    We will only be losing 6 starters 2 from D-Line, 2 from O-Line, 1 Wideout (two if Odoms starts again), and 1 DB. All these positions are places that we are loaded at with talent and will reload.

    I think that 2012 is the year we finally beat you. Next year is still clearly in your favor.

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  • theyellowdart said...

    You might want to check that math again.

    MSU: 1951, 1952, 1955, 1957, 1965, 1966

    UM: 1997. The last one before that was 1948.

    Where is my math wrong? I said since 1950.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    MSU: 1951, 1952, 1955, 1957, 1965, 1966

    UM: 1997. The last one before that was 1948.

    Where is my math wrong? I said since 1950.

    If you were giving us 1/2 for the '97 win since it was shared... then your math was wrong for MSU.

    This post was edited by theyellow_dup on 5/19/2011 at 12:11 PM

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    MSU: 1951, 1952, 1955, 1957, 1965, 1966

    UM: 1997. The last one before that was 1948.

    Where is my math wrong? I said since 1950.

    Holy crap! I didn't realize MSU had that many! I guess that was a little before my time but still.

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  • Hoffelcopter said...

    I agree on your RB, they will be a good group. But that was the worlds worst scheme in the 3-3-5, every running play the OLine immediately was in the second level, that defense couldn't stop anything.

    *sigh* There is NOTHING wrong with the 3-3-5 when it's properly taught and ran. Remember, SDSU while Brady Hoke was there also ran the 3-3-5. It's not a bad scheme... we just had a DC who never ran it before and a HC that was forcing him to do so.

    theyellow_dup

  • SpartanRocky said...

    MSU: 1951, 1952, 1955, 1957, 1965, 1966

    UM: 1997. The last one before that was 1948.

    Where is my math wrong? I said since 1950.

    No offense, but I hate when people do this. Pick certain years to make their stats look better.

    Since 1970 how many Championships does either school have?

    MSU: N/A

    UM: 1997.

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  • Hoffelcopter said...

    I agree on your RB, they will be a good group. But that was the worlds worst scheme in the 3-3-5, every running play the OLine immediately was in the second level, that defense couldn't stop anything. Plus they never got taught angles, how to tackle, how to get off blocks, or how to play defense at all thanks to Greg Robinson. Mattison will fix that, you won't be seeing that bad of a defense ever again.

    We will only be losing 6 starters 2 from D-Line, 2 from O-Line, 1 Wideout (two if Odoms starts again), and 1 DB. All these positions are places that we are loaded at with talent and will reload.

    I think that 2012 is the year we finally beat you. Next year is still clearly in your favor.

    I think 2012 will be very interesting; MSU's D should be its best in a very very long time, especially up the middle.

    The biggest ? to me is how Dennard adapts to Hoke's system. If he struggles, I think things will be tough for the next few years; Gardner is very inexperienced and Bellomy is a true frosh this year. Those options are not likely to be better than Shoelaces, and if he gets injured, watch out. That's all speculation of course.

    Keeping with this year, I think you guys go 7-5. I see your games vs. ND, Northwestern, MSU, Ohio State, Nebraska and Iowa as all being very tough, but I think you beat Northwestern. You should be the underdogs in the other 5 games.

    Looking at your schedule, you're lucky you don't have to play either PSU or Wisky this year and instead get IL and Purdue.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • theyellowdart said...

    *sigh* There is NOTHING wrong with the 3-3-5 when it's properly taught and ran. Remember, SDSU while Brady Hoke was there also ran the 3-3-5. It's not a bad scheme... we just had a DC who never ran it before and a HC that was forcing him to do so.

    *sigh* Did you even read, the rest of my post?

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  • Hoffelcopter said...

    *sigh* Did you even read, the rest of my post?


    Yup... and it didn't affect this statement at all "But that was the worlds worst scheme in the 3-3-5"

    theyellow_dup

  • theyellowdart said...

    If you were giving us 1/2 for the '97 win since it was shared... then your math was wrong for MSU.

    I was just tweeking your nose with the 1/2 championship thing. If that was the case, MSU should have 4 total; 2 consensus and 4 "split".

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • theyellowdart said...

    Yup... and it didn't affect this statement at all "But that was the worlds worst scheme in the 3-3-5"

    Sincerely,

    TCU, the nation's #1 D

    In reality, ANY scheme when run properly can be effective. The spread option, the read-option, the 4-3, 3-4, Nickel, Dime, 3-3-5, 1-7-3, whatever you want to use. It's ultimately about coaching and on-field retention.

    This post was edited by SpartanRocky on 5/19/2011 at 12:19 PM

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    The biggest ? to me is how Dennard adapts to Hoke's system. If he struggles, I think things will be tough for the next few years; Gardner is very inexperienced and Bellomy is a true frosh this year. Those options are not likely to be better than Shoelaces, and if he gets injured, watch out. That's all speculation of course.

    I think the bigger question would be how Borges adapts his system to Denard.

    That being said, Gardner is inexperienced, and I don't see him as being a better option that Denard... but he is without question an option and has looked very very good in the offense during spring practice.... not so much in the spring game.

    theyellow_dup

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