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The Official Michigan, MSU, and 1 Random Guy from Arky Thread

  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    I'd like to know why you are suddenly referring to Rivals.

    Because of all the piss recruiting services, Rivals is the "best"

    copemoney0

  • OTPT said...

    Hey, those extra .2 points mean they WILL be better football players and MSU is completely fucked!

    One, .1 point is actually a big margin in their scale. And two, nobody said they would be better. But when a team compiles a higher amount of 4 stars there is a better chance that many of them develop into better players.

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    This is Michigan, fergodsakes.

    Never Lose Hoke

  • MrWoodson said...

    IMO he'll likely be the backup to Gardner next year and then compete with Bellomy for the starting job in 2014.

    That's how I feel in regards to Morris also.

    xxmgobluexx

  • WillyWolverine said...

    I didn't say the next 2-3 years. I am thinking more of 4 to 5 years.

    "WillyWolverine said...

    I think Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan could possibly get to that level. I believe at least one of them will in the next couple of years if not 2 or all 3. "

    A "couple" is not 4 to 5 years

    copemoney0

  • copemoney0 said...

    Because of all the piss recruiting services, Rivals is the "best"

    Fine, it doesn't matter anyway. If you really want to walk down this road then here you go. What would MSU's top ranked recruit be in Michigan's class on rivals? There you go, I went there.

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    This is Michigan, fergodsakes.

    Never Lose Hoke

  • Peterklima said...

    It is no coincidence that Wisco and MSU have been at the top of the B10 when there has not been a "normally functioning" OSU and UM. It allowed the less talented teams to rise....but unluckily for them there were still elite-talent teams in other conferences that are not undergoing some transitional turmoil.

    He was talking about playing other good teams out of conference, Wisc has definitely had equal talent to the teams they have played in bowls the last couple years. I have no idea what your point is.

    swizbeatz ●

  • Denim Chicken said...

    I realize this. And I'm not ignoring the fact MSU needs to have more success recruiting to compete with the likes of Bama. But Michigan and Ohio State aren't Bama, not right now at least. And although they have good classes lined up, I still don't expect them to be Bama very soon, meaning MSU has a chance to compete while maybe improving recruiting efforts.

    So I guess it depends on what we're discussing. Do I expect MSU to compete for a National Championship soon? No. Compete for Big Ten titles for a couple more years? Yes, absolutely.

    But now for real, time for lunch.

    UM is recruiting at Bama's level, Top 5-10 class, in Hoke's two recruiting years. And, it looks like it will be continuing that way in the coming years. Once Hoke has four or five classes under his belt they will be on Bama's level. You can say it hasn't happened yet, but you can't deny it is in the process of happening.

    OSu seems to be doing well under Meyer too.

    I agree MSU might have a chance to compete this year, if it weren't for a first year QB qithout any returning WRs. Maybe they can compete next year (2013), but after that the door is closing because the talent gap is widening.

    Peterklima

  • swizbeatz said...

    I don't know why you aren't giving Wisc. any credit.

    Because I don't believe Wisc. could beat the nationally elite teams

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    WillyWolverine

  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    Fine, it doesn't matter anyway. If you really want to walk down this road then here you go. What would MSU's top ranked recruit be in Michigan's class on rivals? There you go, I went there.

    Where would Jerel Worthy have been ranked in UM's 2008 class?

    L_Himmler

  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    Fine, it doesn't matter anyway. If you really want to walk down this road then here you go. What would MSU's top ranked recruit be in Michigan's class on rivals? There you go, I went there.

    YES!!

    Reminds me of this old goodie.. It's no wonder the delusion on this board is what it is..

    http://mgoblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/sparty-no.html

    "If there was ever going to be a year in which Michigan State wrested instate recruiting from Michigan, this would be it. The results are Fred Smith and, depending on who you listen to, Tyler Hoover. Though Hoover claimed a Michigan offer, he ended up ranked a three-star at both sites. If he was part of the Michigan class, he would be the at best the #18 recruit in it."

    copemoney0

  • L_Himmler said...

    Where would Jerel Worthy have been ranked in UM's 2008 class?

    That's not my point and I'm not the one who started this. I have never said that lower ranked recruits can't develop into great players. Otherwise, I would be very upset about Michigan taking Khalid Hill and Channing Stibling. But I'm not. All I'm saying is that the people who are trying to say that the difference between the talent in Michigan's class and MSU's class isn't a big deal are being moronic.

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    This is Michigan, fergodsakes.

    Never Lose Hoke

  • MrWoodson said...

    Well, we haven't seen much of Bellomy thus far, so I'm not sure what you're basing that on, but if the coaches agree with you (i.e. Bellomy has been more impressive than Gardner) then Bellomy presumably will be ahead of Gardner on the depth chart this year. I guess we will see.

    Agree 100%. Kid's played 1 spring game, IIRC, since he's a RS FR this fall.

    One question here: since Borges by all accounts is tailoring the O to Shoelace this year, is it assumed that if he goes down that Gardner is the #2, even if Bellomy is a better thrower? What I'm trying to say is that an O that works for Denard is probably not going to suit Bellomy's talents as well as Gardner, so although Bellomy may be the better pro-style QB, for the purposes of this season does it make sense to just keep Gardner as the #2, knowing that he's better equipped to run a Denard-tailored O?

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky ●

  • Peterklima said...

    . And, it looks like it will be continuing that way in the coming years.

    Why would you assume this?

    Last I checked, it was MSU that had a top 10 recruiting class for 2014 lol

    copemoney0

  • copemoney0 said...

    YES!!

    Reminds me of this old goodie.. It's no wonder the delusion on this board is what it is..

    http://mgoblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/sparty-no.html

    "If there was ever going to be a year in which Michigan State wrested instate recruiting from Michigan, this would be it. The results are Fred Smith and, depending on who you listen to, Tyler Hoover. Though Hoover claimed a Michigan offer, he ended up ranked a three-star at both sites. If he was part of the Michigan class, he would be the at best the #18 recruit in it."

    Again, I never said that lower ranked prospects can't be better players. I'm just saying that if a team loads up on higher ranked players then, more times than not, that team will have more talented players.

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    This is Michigan, fergodsakes.

    Never Lose Hoke

  • At this point, do Walverines view recruiting as the main event, with the actual season being the distraction between recruiting seasons?

    For reference, MSU is kicking absolute ass in basketball recruiting (where recruiting rankings actually mean something), but we don't feel the need to reference the fact that every single MSU player had a UM offer (or would have had one if UM felt that it had a chance), but not a single UM player had an MSU offer. We only reference the fact that we've been owning the fuck out of this rivalry every year since 1989. Recruiting dominance is implied.

    L_Himmler

  • Peterklima said...

    I agree MSU might have a chance to compete this year, if it weren't for a first year QB qithout any returning WRs. Maybe they can compete next year (2013), but after that the door is closing because the talent gap is widening.

    So MSU doesn't have a chance to compete this year? That's a pretty bold statement.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky ●

  • copemoney0 said...

    Because of all the piss recruiting services, Rivals is the "best"

    Really? I've always thought Scout was the best.

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    Rabid

  • copemoney0 said...

    Why would you assume this?

    Last I checked, it was MSU that had a top 10 recruiting class for 2014 lol

    He would assume this because of the players that Michigan is likely to receive commitments from in the coming months.

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    This is Michigan, fergodsakes.

    Never Lose Hoke

  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    Fine, it doesn't matter anyway. If you really want to walk down this road then here you go. What would MSU's top ranked recruit be in Michigan's class on rivals? There you go, I went there.

    Someone pull up the Mgoblog post from the 2008 class, crowing about how MSU's #2 recruit (hoover) would only be the 18th best recruit in UM's class, and that the talent gap was widening. roflmao

    This post was edited by SpartanRocky on 6/28/2012 at 12:59 PM

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky ●

  • I just read that whole thing, the author wasn't right about a single thing in a couple thousand words. Now thats impressive.

    swizbeatz ●

  • This cannot be posted enough. Holy shit.

    http://mgoblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/sparty-no.html

    http://mgoblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/sparty-no.html

    http://mgoblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/sparty-no.html

    L_Himmler

  • RabidWolverine said...

    Really? I've always thought Scout was the best.

    Scout for Bball, Rivals for football. 247 is wait and see, since the first class that they've fully ranked ('11) hasn't even been on campus for 2 seasons.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky ●

  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    Again, I never said that lower ranked prospects can't be better players. I'm just saying that if a team loads up on higher ranked players then, more times than not, that team will have more talented players.

    Sure.. though talent is only part of the equation

    Outside the can't miss 5 stars, not sure any recruting service can really judge the "talent" of a 4 star vs a 3 star.. it depends on the quality of competition the HS is facing, how good that HS team is, etc.. tons go into it outside of oh yea, he's a 4 star so he must be talented

    copemoney0

  • copemoney0 said...

    Why would you assume this?

    Last I checked, it was MSU that had a top 10 recruiting class for 2014 lol

    Jokes aside, there is no likely reason to think UM's recruiting will slow down.

    Peterklima

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Someone pull up the Mgoblog post from the 2008 class, crowing about how MSU's #2 recruit (hoover) would only be the 18th best recruit in UM's system, and that the talent gap was widening. roflmao

    Again- I really don't fault the UM fan base for being so delusional..

    Look at where they are getting their bullets and fire power from..

    It should be noted, UM has yet to beat MSU since that article came out..

    copemoney0

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