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The Official Michigan, MSU, and 1 Random Guy from Arky Thread

  • Peterklima said...

    This was the funniest part:

    "Look down at your feet," Dantonio said to Burrell, a safety from Detroit. "Now you just imagine those feet playing in the Rose Bowl, because that's where they'll be within four or five years."

    fail

    Yeah because being one silly penalty from doing exactly that, after building off of the scraps of BW and JLS, and being one year removed from being cheated out of the Rose Bowl (OSU was ineligible, and we beat UW) is fucking humiliating and idiotic.

    L_Himmler

  • Peterklima said...

    Playing well enough to compete for the B10 title for an unproven guy standing alone is highly unlikely.

    Signed,

    The last 3 National Title winners who all had 1st year starting QBs

    copemoney0

  • copemoney0 said...

    Signed,

    The last 3 National Title winners who all had 1st year starting QBs

    Shane Morris will do it too. goblue

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    Rabid

  • L_Himmler said...

    At this point, do Walverines view recruiting as the main event, with the actual season being the distraction between recruiting seasons?

    For reference, MSU is kicking absolute ass in basketball recruiting (where recruiting rankings actually mean something), but we don't feel the need to reference the fact that every single MSU player had a UM offer (or would have had one if UM felt that it had a chance), but not a single UM player had an MSU offer. We only reference the fact that we've been owning the fuck out of this rivalry every year since 1989. Recruiting dominance is implied.

    So if you guys can say that you've won the last 4 in football, does that mean we can say that we've won the last 3/4 in bball?

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    And another idiot MSU poster that claims Michigan is saying MSU is going to suck, even though nobody is saying that.

    We are looking at recruiting and coaching, you look at pro combat uniforms to base wins and losses on. lol

    "I agree MSU might have a chance to compete this year, if it weren't for a first year QB qithout any returning WRs. Maybe they can compete next year (2013), but after that the door is closing because the talent gap is widening. "

    That to me means MSU is going to suck.

    copemoney0

  • msucan'tmakebcs said...

    So if you guys can say that you've won the last 4 in football, does that mean we can say that we've won the last 3/4 in bball?

    umm.. you do say that...

    copemoney0

  • msucan'tmakebcs said...

    So if you guys can say that you've won the last 4 in football, does that mean we can say that we've won the last 3/4 in bball?

    Well, yeah. The difference is that MSU basketball has won something since Reagan was in office, and is continuing to win things as we speak.

    This post was edited by L_Himmler on 6/28/2012 at 1:17 PM

    L_Himmler

  • copemoney0 said...

    Again- I really don't fault the UM fan base for being so delusional..

    Look at where they are getting their bullets and fire power from..

    It should be noted, UM has yet to beat MSU since that article came out..

    Were delusional? You are the one who is getting all up in arms thinking MSU can compete for a national title when not one, let me say that again for you, not one team has won a national title in at least a decade that didn't have a top 10 recruiting class. So who is delusional. I would say it's the guy who thinks MSU can win a national title without recruiting well when it just doesn't happen.

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  • swizbeatz said...

    Why is it moronic? Whats moronic is having legit info put right in front of your face and refusing to recognize it. There were people then stating the same thing as you and they look stupid now, accept the fact that we trust in our coaches to keep us competitive and until that isn't the case this discussion should probably just end.

    they had recruiting classes that were half as good as the one we have now

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  • copemoney0 said...

    Signed,

    The last 3 National Title winners who all had 1st year starting QBs

    Signed,

    The last 3 national title winners who all had top 5 recruiting classes that contributed heavily to those national titles.

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    WillyWolverine

  • copemoney0 said...

    And I think that comparison in Rivals would be a 5.8 4star vs a 5.7 3star

    And just for food for thought.. 50% of MSU's 3stars in 2012 are 5.7 3stars and in 2012 MSU had another 6, 5.7 3stars- meaning those could have just as easily been low 4stars, which would have put MSU as a top 20 class nationally..

    If my aunt had a...

    roflmao

    xxmgobluexx ●

  • copemoney0 said...

    You say top recruit.. I say Hoke's been telling all recruits, esp. on the OL/DL with the lack of depth that they can compete for PT..

    And eventually that has to stop unless UM continues its attrition path it was on under RR

    Yep. Competition sure has kept recruits from going to Texas, Bama, LSU, USC, etc... oh wait it hasn't. The top kids don't care. They will come and compete with the best.

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  • WillyWolverine said...

    Were delusional? You are the one who is getting all up in arms thinking MSU can compete for a national title when not one, let me say that again for you, not one team has won a national title in at least a decade that didn't have a top 10 recruiting class. So who is delusional. I would say it's the guy who thinks MSU can win a national title without recruiting well when it just doesn't happen.

    When have I ever said I think MSU can compete for a National Title.

    I actually haven't seen ANY MSU poster claim that..

    Are we just making things up for the hell of it??

    copemoney0

  • Peterklima said...

    I don't think MSU will be "in the running" for the BTCG in the last week of the regular season. You might feel "competing for a title means something different. Crazier things have happened, but as you know, even Cousins had his top 3 WRs returning in his first year starting. Maxwell stands alone. Playing well enough to compete for the B10 title for an unproven guy standing alone is highly unlikely.

    He also has a top-10 defense from last year returning almost everyone. There's a lot that goes into a football game.

    Denim Chicken

  • Peterklima said...

    I think the end needed to continue..."You also need to know that RichRod will not hire anyone to coach the defense, so none of this matters."

    Anyway, can we now say Dantonio is LYING to recruits "that's where [your feet] will be..." He sells lines of BS to kids and he still mostly fails at recruiting. Wow.

    You kind of suck at trolling. It's too obvious. Get better.

    OTPT

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    If my aunt had a...

    roflmao

    Good comparison. .1 on a recruiting service web site's scale is comparable.

    OTPT

  • WillyWolverine said...

    Yep. Competition sure has kept recruits from going to Texas, Bama, LSU, USC, etc... oh wait it hasn't. The top kids don't care. They will come and compete with the best.

    Ah yes.. forgot UM sends tons of kids every year to the NFL draft..

    copemoney0

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    If my aunt had a...

    roflmao

    The difference is that the difference is 100% arbitrary-there is NO measurable difference between a 5.7 and a 5.8. It's literally a meaningless statement.

    "Our players have 6-glork rabs, yours only have 4-glork rabs." That sentence carries as much meaning as one that compares players with 5.8 ratings to 5.7 ratings.

    L_Himmler

  • Peterklima said...

    I think the end needed to continue..."You also need to know that RichRod will not hire anyone to coach the defense, so none of this matters."

    Anyway, can we now say Dantonio is LYING to recruits "that's where [your feet] will be..." He sells lines of BS to kids and he still mostly fails at recruiting. Wow.

    Well, Burrell was booted from the program as a true FR, so I don't know about that. The RS SRs from 2008 have a shot at the Rose Bowl this year.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Agree 100%. Kid's played 1 spring game, IIRC, since he's a RS FR this fall.

    One question here: since Borges by all accounts is tailoring the O to Shoelace this year, is it assumed that if he goes down that Gardner is the #2, even if Bellomy is a better thrower? What I'm trying to say is that an O that works for Denard is probably not going to suit Bellomy's talents as well as Gardner, so although Bellomy may be the better pro-style QB, for the purposes of this season does it make sense to just keep Gardner as the #2, knowing that he's better equipped to run a Denard-tailored O?

    The offense Borges has installed has both spread and west coast concepts and plays in it. In fact, Borges began 2011 by calling far more under center and power I/play action plays than he ended the season with. Borges learned as much about Denard's strengths and weaknesses during the first six games of 2011 as Denard learned about Borges' west coast system. That said, both Denard and Gardner have now spent a second offseason becoming more comfortable with Borges offense (esp taking snaps under center, reading defenses, running through progressions) and I expect you will see an improvement in that regard in 2012.

    After Denard graduates, I don't expect Borges to suddenly scrap all the spread elements. Rather, I expect him to look at how effective Gardner is as a passer. If he is even close to Bellomy (and I believe he will be), his athletic ability is too valuable to ignore. He is slightly smaller than Terrelle Pryor, but he is nearly as fast and has far better throwing mechanics. All he needs to do is learn to read defenses reasonably well and follow his progressions. And he will have had 2 1/2 years under Borges to do that by the start of the 2013 season. I'm not knocking Bellomy, but people are making a mistake to underestimate Gardner based on the very limited "situational" action he saw in 2011.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MrWoodson on 6/28/2012 at 1:27 PM

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  • copemoney0 said...

    "I agree MSU might have a chance to compete this year, if it weren't for a first year QB qithout any returning WRs. Maybe they can compete next year (2013), but after that the door is closing because the talent gap is widening. "

    That to me means MSU is going to suck.

    Thank you. That guy shouldn't even be that concerned with this discussion, he didn't even go to Michigan yet he has an inferiority complex with MSU people? Weird? I think so.

    OTPT

  • copemoney0 said...

    Signed,

    The last 3 National Title winners who all had 1st year starting QBs

    Yea, but they also had great D's.

    Oh wait . . .

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • copemoney0 said...

    When have I ever said I think MSU can compete for a National Title.

    I actually haven't seen ANY MSU poster claim that..

    Are we just making things up for the hell of it??

    Then why are you getting so up in arms that I included Penn State in there but left off MSU?

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  • copemoney0 said...

    Ah yes.. forgot UM sends tons of kids every year to the NFL draft..

    And that has to do with top kids not being afraid to compete in college how?

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  • copemoney0 said...

    You say top recruit.. I say Hoke's been telling all recruits, esp. on the OL/DL with the lack of depth that they can compete for PT..

    And eventually that has to stop unless UM continues its attrition path it was on under RR

    maybe they want to play for one of the top national football powers?

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