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The Official Michigan, MSU, and 1 Random Guy from Arky Thread

  • stankyleg said...

    Honestly guys, I see msu winning 48-0. Baker, Bell, and Caper will all most likely run for 100 yards each. Cunningham is the best reciever you guys have faced so far, I personally see him with about 200 yards, probably 3 or 4 tds. The stats show that Denard is averaging 1 pick every 3 throws, I also read that mike Martin is suspended for this game and he was the only good player on your defense. It won't be as close as everyone thinks.

    I lol''d,
    1) Floyd>Cunningham
    2) Martin isn't suspended
    3) You're clearly an idiot.

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    This is Michigan, fergodsakes.

    Never Lose Hoke

  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    I lol''d, 1) Floyd>Cunningham 2) Martin isn't suspended 3) You're clearly an idiot.

    He was joking.

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    Tyrone_Biggums

  • Tyrone_Biggums said...

    He was joking.

    Well then I fail at life...

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    This is Michigan, fergodsakes.

    Never Lose Hoke

  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    Well then I fail at life...

    I apologize for that, I have questionable writing skills.

    stankyleg

  • stankyleg said...

    I apologize for that, I have questionable writing skills.

    Im also a questionable human.

    stankyleg

  • stankyleg said...

    Im also a questionable human.

    Tell us more stories about prostitutes. I'm morbidly curious.

    buttesnake

  • The way I see it, this game could end up going in any direction. I can see MSU walking it 35-17 or something, I can see Michigan winning it by a similar margin (though I think Cousins will have enough success for MSU to score 20+)and I can see a much closer battle. You look at Denard and how erratic his passing success is and you are looking at like a 14-21 point swing just on whether he slings a few to opposing defenders or not.

    UMSkeletor

  • UMSkeletor said...

    The way I see it, this game could end up going in any direction. I can see MSU walking it 35-17 or something, I can see Michigan winning it by a similar margin (though I think Cousins will have enough success for MSU to score 20+)and I can see a much closer battle. You look at Denard and how erratic his passing success is and you are looking at like a 14-21 point swing just on whether he slings a few to opposing defenders or not.

    Agreed. If Denard has a clean game then it will be close.

    If he doesn't... Then who knows.

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  • buttesnake said...

    Tell us more stories about prostitutes. I'm morbidly curious.

    I'd rather not discuss those parts of my past. Those were dark times for me.

    stankyleg

  • Should be a fun game. MSU has a pretty good defense. Best secondary I've seen at MSU in a while and I think a lot of it will come down to Denard's arm. He is going to get his yards on the ground, that is a given. If he can come through in passing situations, Michigan can win. If he throws 3+ picks, I think MSU takes it. MSU's offense hasn't looked that good, but I do expect them to be able to move it against Michigan. Not with any sort of ease as UM's defense looks to be much better than the past few years, but we will move it and get our points. Cousins needs to be poised and not make any stupid, ill-advised throws. Likewise, UM will move the ball and get their points. Our D is pretty good, but its naive to think we can stop Michigan's offense everytime. We need to get some good pressure on Denard from the front 4. Marcus Rush and Denicos Allen will be key imo. I think both teams will score at least 20. Whomever can limit the stupid mistakes and finish drives will win it.

    Trying to be as unbiased as I can here. I think MSU is more of a complete team. Playing at home, I think we get the win. Something like 35-24.

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    GoRightThru4MSU

  • Sorry for the delay.

    Watched all but the first 5 minutes of the UM- Northwestern game. Wild first half. Thoughts:

    1) First and foremost, extremely impressed with the halftime adjustments by UM. There's a reason they're outscoring the opposition something like 140 - 21 after the half. Northwestern apparently just wanted to keep trying the same thing, and paid the price.

    2) The flip side is that the adjustments didn't come till after halftime. That's not surprising, nor is it cause for alarm. It's very hard to make tangible adjustments on the fly, especially in a game featuring a lot of first half TOs; your D is on the field so quickly that you don't have time to talk things over. We have the same complaint about Narduzzi, but have been very impressed with all of his halftime adjustments.

    3) That said, the first half did happen, and if that happens against a better team, Michigan could have well dug itself a hole that it couldn't climb out of in the second half. Against both Notre Dame and Northwestern UM was trailing at the half; against ND trailed most of the game. The comebacks are exciting, but are not a method of sustainable success.

    4) After hearing a lot about Toussaint I was disappointed in his performance, and really the RB performance outside of Shaw's few carries. 1.8 yards/carry is not going to cut it from your primary back. Northwestern has a veteran, though not particularly athletic front 7, and I thought they did a very good job on the UM O-line. Robinson broke a few runs, but I saw multiple tackles for no gain or for loss. Offensive line had problems run-blocking.

    5) That said, O-line did a great job of pass-blocking, or at least chipping defenders enough to give Robinson time.

    6) Not sold on Robinson as an accurate passer who can win on his arm alone. The interceptions were ugly, and several long completions were of the "jump ball" variety. It's great that Hemingway can go up and get those, but against a better secondary you're going to see a lot of passes batted away, or even more picked off. Robinson can be effective and accurate about 10 yards downfield; after that I really see it being a bit tenuous.

    7) Robinson, and your receivers, do do a fantastic job when plays break down due to Robinson's ability to avoid pressure. Very impressed with Robinson's overall strength for his size; tough kid.

    8) Special teams were not fantastic, though the coverage teams were a bright spot.

    9) No doubt that the overall fundamentals and tackling are better, but they aren't at a top level yet. I saw several broken coverages and missed tackles. Blake Countess may be a very good CB in the future, but I'd limit his 1 on 1 time, especially if the thought is to put him on Cunningham. Blitzing was mixed in well, and definitely confused Northwestern in the 2nd half. Defensive line struggled to get pressure on its own without the blitz though. Has that been going on all year?

    Anyways, those are my thoughts (in response to Ducksworth like 4 pages ago). Going to be a fun week of banter!

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • I'm expecting one of those games where it's really not as close as the score would make you think, with an MSU victory. Something like 24-13. MSU has an elite D this year, and UM has no kicking game, which will KILL Mich. Northwestern was able to shut D-Nard down until their lack of depth came through, who knows what MSU will do.

    rusterbug

  • rusterbug said...

    I'm expecting one of those games where it's really not as close as the score would make you think, with an MSU victory. Something like 24-13. MSU has an elite D this year, and UM has no kicking game, which will KILL Mich. Northwestern was able to shut D-Nard down until their lack of depth came through, who knows what MSU will do.

    Uhmmm...

    Att 17
    Comp 26
    Yds 337
    TD 2

    Carries - 25
    Yards - 117

    Yeah... Northwestern really shut him down.

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    Sorry for the delay.

    Completely agree on pretty much all of these, thanks for the response.

    1. I actually am pretty close with Hopkins and Jackson, and they say that every halftime, Mattison takes every defensive player aside and tells him what he needs to fix, then he addresses the defense as a whole. He's an impressive coach in their eyes.

    2. Agree again. We need to start off faster, especially on defense

    3. Basically the same thing as 2. It's a problem that we've had many times this year and it'll kill us against good teams.

    4. Shaw looked much better than Fitz IMO yesterday. Neither got loose for any big gains, and it was a little disappointing, but they came up with big/good enough runs when they were needed late in the game. I'm not sold on NW's front 7, so that's a cause for concern for me. Especially because MSU will bring an elite front 7 that we'll have to deal with.

    5. A mobile QB makes the pass protection look better most of the time, so I agree here too.

    6. This is what I was trying to say, but a couple UM posters disagreed with me. Sure seems like most of his deep balls are ones where he just chucks it up and hopes our WR comes down with it. That won't work against better secondaries like MSU's. I'd love to see more slant routes or TE streaks for about 10-15 yards because he can pull those off pretty well. Seems like his biggest question mark is still decision making and when to realize that he shouldn't throw that deep ball.

    7. Jeremy Gallon is the best at this IMO. He's a great route runner and will get open whenever Denard is scrambling. He's been a great asset this year already.

    8. Special teams are never going to be our forte lol Between FGs, kick coverage, and kickoffs, it's just pretty bad. Our returns and punting are pretty good, but the others are iffy at best.

    9. Blake Countess will never cover the top WR 1 on 1. He's our #3 or #4 CB. JT Floyd will probably cover Cunningham (he covered Floyd and Ebert) and if Woolfolk is healthy, he'll probably get some time on him as well. Then it's between Countess and Courtney Avery for our #3 CB spot. Looks to be Countess now.

    The DL, when rushing 3 or 4, has not gotten consistent pressure. There have been a couple times where they break through (Campbell did a great job yesterday IMO and is hopefully coming into his own), but they're not reliable. That may be why we have so many blitz packages, but I think they're not a liability because of how well Mattison disguises them. He switches it up and confuses the OL and QB, so those work to our advantage IMO.

    Thanks for the answer cheers It'll sure be a long week before heading up to EL on Friday.

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    Ducksworth

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Sorry for the delay.

    Watched all but the first 5 minutes of the UM- Northwestern game. Wild first half. Thoughts:

    1) First and foremost, extremely impressed with the halftime adjustments by UM. There's a reason they're outscoring the opposition something like 140 - 21 after the half. Northwestern apparently just wanted to keep trying the same thing, and paid the price.

    2) The flip side is that the adjustments didn't come till after halftime. That's not surprising, nor is it cause for alarm. It's very hard to make tangible adjustments on the fly, especially in a game featuring a lot of first half TOs; your D is on the field so quickly that you don't have time to talk things over. We have the same complaint about Narduzzi, but have been very impressed with all of his halftime adjustments.

    3) That said, the first half did happen, and if that happens against a better team, Michigan could have well dug itself a hole that it couldn't climb out of in the second half. Against both Notre Dame and Northwestern UM was trailing at the half; against ND trailed most of the game. The comebacks are exciting, but are not a method of sustainable success.

    4) After hearing a lot about Toussaint I was disappointed in his performance, and really the RB performance outside of Shaw's few carries. 1.8 yards/carry is not going to cut it from your primary back. Northwestern has a veteran, though not particularly athletic front 7, and I thought they did a very good job on the UM O-line. Robinson broke a few runs, but I saw multiple tackles for no gain or for loss. Offensive line had problems run-blocking.

    5) That said, O-line did a great job of pass-blocking, or at least chipping defenders enough to give Robinson time.

    6) Not sold on Robinson as an accurate passer who can win on his arm alone. The interceptions were ugly, and several long completions were of the "jump ball" variety. It's great that Hemingway can go up and get those, but against a better secondary you're going to see a lot of passes batted away, or even more picked off. Robinson can be effective and accurate about 10 yards downfield; after that I really see it being a bit tenuous.

    7) Robinson, and your receivers, do do a fantastic job when plays break down due to Robinson's ability to avoid pressure. Very impressed with Robinson's overall strength for his size; tough kid.

    8) Special teams were not fantastic, though the coverage teams were a bright spot.

    9) No doubt that the overall fundamentals and tackling are better, but they aren't at a top level yet. I saw several broken coverages and missed tackles. Blake Countess may be a very good CB in the future, but I'd limit his 1 on 1 time, especially if the thought is to put him on Cunningham. Blitzing was mixed in well, and definitely confused Northwestern in the 2nd half. Defensive line struggled to get pressure on its own without the blitz though. Has that been going on all year?

    Anyways, those are my thoughts (in response to Ducksworth like 4 pages ago). Going to be a fun week of banter!

    score prediction?

    bb011

  • Joester16 said...

    Uhmmm...

    Att 17 Comp 26 Yds 337 TD 2

    Carries - 25 Yards - 117

    Yeah... Northwestern really shut him down.

    Hmmmmmm...you seem to be omitting 3 interceptions Dnard threw in the 1st half, which was the only half I was talking about. If Robinson throws against MSU like he did against NW UM will lose, don't bother arguing.

    Having your WR's wrestle away a few 60yard jump balls against mac-level northwestern players != having a good game

    rusterbug

  • rusterbug said...

    Hmmmmmm...you seem to be omitting 3 interceptions Dnard threw in the 1st half, which was the only half I was talking about. If Robinson throws against MSU like he did against NW UM will lose, don't bother arguing.

    Having your WR's wrestle away a few 60yard jump balls against mac-level northwestern players != having a good game

    NW shut denard down, which created those turnovers?

    No. Denard threw 3 bad throws off his back foot and threw an INT. Came out in the second half and played 10x better. Denard is a a humble kid, and I love that about him.

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  • Oh and spell his name right, it's Denard.

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  • rusterbug said...

    Hmmmmmm...you seem to be omitting 3 interceptions Dnard threw in the 1st half, which was the only half I was talking about. If Robinson throws against MSU like he did against NW UM will lose, don't bother arguing.

    Having your WR's wrestle away a few 60yard jump balls against mac-level northwestern players != having a good game

    Those same MAC-level NW players nearly beat MSU last year. So what does that say about your team?

    This post was edited by c_woodson on 10/9/2011 at 11:18 PM

    c_woodson

  • rusterbug said...

    ... Northwestern was able to shut D-Nard down until their lack of depth came through

    ....which was the only half I was talking about.

    So, you really don't think the halftime adjustments UM made didn't effect anything?

    You just think NW sucks and choked?

    Truly delusional.

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  • Joester16 said...

    So, you really don't think the halftime adjustments UM made didn't effect anything?

    You just think NW sucks and choked?

    Truly delusional.

    NW team last year was a lot better because Persa was 100%.

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    steveschneider

  • steveschneider said...

    NW team last year was a lot better because Persa was 100%.

    MSU team last year was a lot better too, because it had an easy ass schedule.

    lol

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 10/9/2011 at 11:27 PM

    MrWoodson

  • steveschneider said...

    NW team last year was a lot better because Persa was 100%.

    I'm sure he's pretty healthy right now, but it's all mental with that kind of injury.

    UM got pressure on him throughout the game, (mostly in the second half) which it didn't allow him get comfortable.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    MSU team last year was a lot better too, because it had an easy ass schedule.

    lol

    MSU beat Wisconsin and ND. shrug

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    steveschneider

  • steveschneider said...

    MSU beat Wisconsin and ND. shrug

    You're calling the 2010 ND team good?

    c_woodson