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  • michagain said...

    OK, and fwiw I don't think I've ever referred to it as a suspension. If its the wording that you are fired up about (many uofm fans referring to it as a suspension), what's the big deal? The word suspension is more of a slang term here IMO.

    Stonum was suspended from the team. So were Toussaint and Clark. After a period of time, each was reinstated to the team. In Stonum's case, after being reinstated, he screwed up again and was permanently dismissed from the team.

    Being suspended from the team is a separate decision from whether or not a player will play in games. Players are held out of games for disciplinary reasons all the time without being totally suspended from the team (see Brandon Spikes, Will Hagerup, Will Gholston). The term "suspended" is often used for both purposes and that can cause confusion. I'm pretty certain cope understands the difference but he is playing on the dual usage of the term to troll.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 8/12/2012 at 7:24 PM

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  • michagain said...

    Mitch albom sucks

    'Mitch albom' looks like 'Mitch again' at first glance.

    I was getting ready to catfight

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  • copemoney0 said...

    Never said what Stonum got wasn't a "punishment"

    But it wasn't a suspension.. it was a Redshirting..

    Then what is your point? You just admitted that Stonum was punished, that should be the end of the argument. Either you don't know what you are talking about or you're just trolling.

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  • steveschneider said...

    Not every school is going to perform well down there, but 13 out of the last 14 BCS championships have been won by a school down in the sun belt. B10 and the teams in the north aren't what they used to be.

    The guy above that said the talent is more plentiful down there is right and I don't the levels in the rust belt are going to increase any time soon. The north has hemorrhaged jobs and people for the last decade. Detroit which was a great place for talent in the 90's has seen it's population drop.

    What about funding for football programs up there? I thought I remembered reading in the LSJ a while back that Waverly might cut their fb team...down in Texas they build high school stadiums that is 60 million dollars. I think it's clear that it's a sport dominated by a region in the US>

    I'm not sure there's any evidence pointing towards a recovery in the B10 anytime soon.

    Edit: www.wilx.com/news/headlines/Waverly_School_Board_Passes_Budget_Cuts_Varsity_Sports_123791134.html Waverly is just cutting club sports, but doesn't sound like their athletic department is doing very well. This school used to produce a few b10 players every now and then along with Sexton. Wasn't Lansing proposing to close Sexton and Eastern? I know these are just a few schools, but there's gotta be plenty more all over the state where high school sports have been impacted. The south on the other hand is dumping money into their high school football.

    There's only 5 northern programs that have the resources at go to multiple NCs. They are Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio, Penn State, and Nebraska. There are 14 programs in the south who have the resources to go to multiple NCs. They are USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Georgia, South Carolina, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, and Miami. It makes sense that there'd be less northern programs in the NC game.

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  • Why do you guys give that dumbass Cope the time of day. He's the ultimate troll. Read the idiocy he writes. "stonum's redshirt was a punishment but not a suspension". "do other redshirted players get to practice, travel to a bowl, and celebrate on the field after a win?" lol. Come on. Nobody can be that dumb unintentionally. If you don't respond to him, he just might go away.

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  • Due51 said...

    Why do you guys give that dumbass Cope the time of day. He's the ultimate troll. Read the idiocy he writes. "stonum's redshirt was a punishment but not a suspension". "do other redshirted players get to practice, travel to a bowl, and celebrate on the field after a win?" lol. Come on. Nobody can be that dumb unintentionally. If you don't respond to him, he just might go away.

    No, he would just keep quoting you. Saying, why are dodging my question?

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  • Brady Hoke said...

    There's only 5 northern programs that have the resources at go to multiple NCs. They are Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio, Penn State, and Nebraska. There are 14 programs in the south who have the resources to go to multiple NCs. They are USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Georgia, South Carolina, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, and Miami. It makes sense that there'd be less northern programs in the NC game.

    That is another thing about Steve's theory, it covers Cali, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, Lousiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee at a minimum.

    Hell, if you include states that border these states you include, Oregon, Nevada, Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Arkansas, Kentucky, North Carolina, Virginia, and West Virginia.

    That is a ton of talent in and bordering the "sun belt", not necessarily better talent though. That is why the "sun belt" teams are offering and taking the "rust belt" elite kids. They are just as good of athletes in the midwest and in the southeast/Texas/California areas.

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  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    Then what is your point? You just admitted that Stonum was punished, that should be the end of the argument. Either you don't know what you are talking about or you're just trolling.

    My point is that a redshirt is not the same thing as a suspension

    This post was edited by copemoney0 on 8/12/2012 at 9:22 PM

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  • copemoney0 said...

    My point is that a redshirt is not the same thing as a suspension

    It's not but it's punishment.

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  • Hoffelcopter said...

    No, he would just keep quoting you. Saying, why are dodging my question?

    Still awaiting answer why Stonum was able to travel with the team and celebrate at the Sugar Bowl if he was "redshirted" Surely didn't see any other redshirted kids on the field after the game

    copemoney0

  • Brady Hoke said...

    It's not but it's punishment.

    The discussion was never did Stonum get punished or not..

    The discussion was around UM fans calling Stonum getting a Redshirt a suspension

    copemoney0

  • copemoney0 said...

    The discussion was never did Stonum get punished or not..

    The discussion was around UM fans calling Stonum getting a Redshirt a suspension

    I'm sorry if we used the term losely.

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  • Brady Hoke said...

    I'm sorry if we used the term losely.

    As BrainTrust pointed out.. excited for Dantonio to suspend another 15 or so frosh in the coming weeks stir

    copemoney0

  • copemoney0 said...

    The discussion was never did Stonum get punished or not..

    The discussion was around UM fans calling Stonum getting a Redshirt a suspension

    Dumbest discussion ITT.

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    This is Michigan, fergodsakes.

    Never Lose Hoke

  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    Dumbest discussion ITT.

    Then ignore it

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  • copemoney0 said...

    As BrainTrust pointed out.. excited for Dantonio to suspend another 15 or so frosh in the coming weeks stir

    I didn't point that out... That was Rocket Play

    This post was edited by Braintrust on 8/12/2012 at 11:16 PM

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  • Braintrust said...

    I didn't point that out... That was Rocket Play

    Ah good call

    copemoney0

  • MrWoodson said...

    We don't know yet whether Fitz will be suspended for any games.

    Holy strawberries, batman, you have got to be joking.

    I remember stating this EXACT same thing about Nix, and was told I didn't know what I was talking about by UM fans, particularly you, MrWoodson. Even when Izzo specifically included in his statement that this may result in Nix missing games.

    Yet, when it comes to Hoke dealing with Fitz, it's magically different?

    FTR, I agree that we don't yet know if game suspensions will be involved, but holy cow; you're blindly biased and unable to view very similar scenarios in the same light while they are occurring.

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  • copemoney0 said...

    Still awaiting answer why Stonum was able to travel with the team and celebrate at the Sugar Bowl if he was "redshirted" Surely didn't see any other redshirted kids on the field after the game

    Seriously? Are you really this uninformed? EVERY redshirt player practices, dresses for games, and travels to the bowl game.

    Stonum was punished. You've admitted as much. Quit being a petulant douche.

    This post was edited by Due51 on 8/13/2012 at 8:48 AM

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  • copemoney0 said...

    As BrainTrust pointed out.. excited for Dantonio to suspend another 15 or so frosh in the coming weeks

    I'm guessing you're trying to get a rise on purpose, but there's a huge difference between giving a redshirt to freshman and giving a redshirt to a senior who is expected to be your best player at a position. It is a suspension, just with the opportunity to work your way back. Which he didn't. Rag on how Hoke handled Stonum's situation, but bottom line is that after Hoke's punishment, Stonum never played a single snap for the Michigan football team again.

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  • Brady Hoke said...

    There's only 5 northern programs that have the resources at go to multiple NCs. They are Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio, Penn State, and Nebraska. There are 14 programs in the south who have the resources to go to multiple NCs. They are USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Georgia, South Carolina, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, and Miami. It makes sense that there'd be less northern programs in the NC game.

    Good point. OSU made the NC twice and most of those other programs have undergone an uncharacteristic non-talent related sanction//coaching situation that has undermined them. If that happened at a couple southern schools, there are a bunch of talented teams to take their place.

    Once again, however, the people working these sites are acutely aware of the regional differences in making their rankings. Their objective is to be as accurrate as possible, so they can be considered the most reliable site.

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  • Brady Hoke said...

    There's only 5 northern programs that have the resources at go to multiple NCs. They are Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio, Penn State, and Nebraska. There are 14 programs in the south who have the resources to go to multiple NCs. They are USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Georgia, South Carolina, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, and Miami. It makes sense that there'd be less northern programs in the NC game.

    Great point.

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  • Peterklima said...

    Good point. OSU made the NC twice and most of those other programs have undergone an uncharacteristic non-talent related sanction//coaching situation that has undermined them. If that happened at a couple southern schools, there are a bunch of talented teams to take their place.

    Once again, however, the people working these sites are acutely aware of the regional differences in making their rankings. Their objective is to be as accurrate as possible, so they can be considered the most reliable site.

    Has the methodology ever been divulged in how they assess the star rankings? Is their a metric based on stats, strenght of conference and some kind of BCS computer rankings program that assesses the talent?

    I think Hoke made a great point, I just refust to accept a generic answer that it is cyclical. When investing stocks and evaluating complanies there's always an explination to why a stock is going up or down.

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  • Another flaming p.o.s. from the Freep. The opinion column has suffered a lot since Rosenberg jumped ship.

    Drew Sharp: Moral high ground more important than wins for U-M | Drew Sharp | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

    Michigan probably isn't beating Alabama on Sept. 1 regardless of Fitz Toussaint's status, but the running back should still be forced to sit. What matters is finally teaching these spoiled children of athletic privilege that their individual recklessness brings serious collective ramifications.

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  • steveschneider said...

    Another flaming p.o.s. from the Freep. The opinion column has suffered a lot since Rosenberg jumped ship.

    Sharp is an idiot.

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